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southerncurler
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Doubt it will be televised. Interesting that Bottcher is doing it in the lead up to the trial.
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| 10-08-21 07:00PM |
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curlingclips
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Yeah, I'm kind of worried about injuries when a team has to play in an event like this. It's low stakes for Team Bottcher, although obviously high stakes for Canada.
I think they should just send, say Jacques Gauthier's team (who did not qualify for pre-trial, but is the reigning World Junior champion), maybe with Bottcher as backup skip.
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| 10-08-21 11:05PM |
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IN-OFF-FOR-2
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And chance losing the Olympic spot? Crazy!! To quote McEnroe, “You can not be serious”! Remember last time Canada was challenged it was Glen Howard that represented. They played off during or just before the Continental Cup in London On. Why even suggest a team with limited if any international, even national experience to defend an Olympic spot. Even his mom is saying oooohhh really. If not the Canadian champ to defend their spot, then who? How about the club champ from 2019? Good gravy man. Go back and read your post again.
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| 10-09-21 01:27PM |
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curlingclips
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When BRA and MEX challenged USA in 2019, they sent Ruohonen/Persinger, who won all games. Format was double round robin. Scores weren't even close.
https://results.worldcurling.org/Ch...hip/Details/673
Glenn Howard vs BRA in 2018 was also not even close, easily winning all 3 of best-of-5 series.
In the history of the Challenge, USA has not ever lost a single game, in Men's or Women's.
https://results.worldcurling.org/Record/HeadToHead/31
USA vs BRA is 16+5=21 wins, no losses.
USA vs MEX is 2+2=4 wins, no losses.
I highly doubt that CAN vs BRA vs MEX double round robin is competitive even if CAN handicaps themselves by sending lower ranked team.
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And chance losing the Olympic spot?
This Challenge is for a berth to 2022 World Men's. 2022 has no Olympic points for 2026. This event has zero impact on Canada's spot at the Olympics.
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| 10-09-21 02:40PM |
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a ban on foreigners curling in Canada
Wow. Just wow. I guess your xenophobia gets in the way of wanting to see the best curling possible.
Europe has so many spots in the worlds as does Asia and they have point system/playdowns to determine who goes. Why shouldn't N&S America have the same? In a few years we may see playdowns and I say bring it on. It will develop curling in SA, sure they are getting pounded now but over time that may change. Canada does not deserve a free pass based upon ancient past domination.
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| 10-09-21 02:58PM |
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curlingclips
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Originally posted by hogged again
Why shouldn't N&S America have the same?
FYI this Americas Challenge is the last of its kind. WCF created the new Pan-Continental playdown, dissolving the Americas Challenge and the Pacific-Asia championship, and basically also inviting Africa into the mix.
https://worldcurling.org/2021/09/pccc-introduction/
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| 10-09-21 08:07PM |
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Kind of strange that we host all the pro bums from other countries for 50 years and then we get challenged for our spot in he worlds in vegas
Wow wow wow, Sense of entitlement or what? Where do you think all "Canadian soccer players or basketball players" honed their craft??
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| 10-09-21 10:19PM |
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IN-OFF-FOR-2
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This site needs a like button. I guess I was mistaken earlier about this latest America’s challenge being about this Olympics, however, why wouldn’t team Bottcher want a few extra games leading up to the trials for these upcoming Olympics in these times of much fewer spiels..... Play against teams trying to qualify AND being paid by CC to do so. Why not? Why would Canada want a 20-30-40th place team compete? AND curling clips, why do you always make a post, then wait for responses, and then jump on anyone that has an answer with ten quotes and links to try and support your original reply? Why? Show me 10 more links why they shouldn’t. Extra games leading into to by far the toughest Olympic trials in the world to win, is best for the team and the country. Why crap all over it? I welcome Bottcher or any top 5 team accepting the challenge. Go Canada Go.
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| 10-09-21 11:54PM |
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curlingclips
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If Team Bottcher truly wants to play 4 games against BRA and MEX, that's fine by me. Personally I think playing games against top tier competition is probably better (quality over quantity), but that's just my personal feeling.
I think if you ask Team Bottcher a few months ago what their planned schedule was heading up to the trials, they wouldn't include this event in their calendar. That's just an educated guess on my part, I can't prove that claim, but I think most people would agree with me on that.
Top athletes usually schedule their season thoughtfully, including recovery periods, etc., so playing these extra games adds wear and tear to athletes, risking injuries. Also, since we're still in the pandemic, there's always a risk of exposure to COVID, especially since I believe at least some of the challengers are internationally flying into CAN.
I'm a fan of Team Bottcher, hence why I find their participation in this event in an Olympic season a bit concerning, given the risk vs reward ratio.
Ultimately I do believe Jacques Gauthier can handle the challenge just fine. They are the reigning World Champions, after all (and Jacques himself is 2x gold medalist). Maybe you prefer some other team instead, and that's fine. I just picked Gauthier because, as far as I know, they're out of the Olympics run for this cycle (i.e. they're not in the pre-trial/trial).
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| 10-26-21 03:14PM |
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J-Ho
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I wonder if the WCF would ever seriously run the risk of having a worlds without Canada? While there are several prominent teams in world curling today outside Canada. They couldn't afford the massive bail of sponsorship and revenue that would be experienced by Canada not being there.
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| 10-26-21 05:14PM |
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MeaghanEdwards
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Whereabouts is the linescore for this event? Not finding it on CZ or on WCF page
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| 10-26-21 05:22PM |
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curlerbroad
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Originally posted by MeaghanEdwards
Whereabouts is the linescore for this event? Not finding it on CZ or on WCF page
It’s on the curling Canada website…
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| 10-26-21 06:43PM |
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MeaghanEdwards
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Originally posted by curlerbroad
It’s on the curling Canada website…
Thanks, kept looking in all the wrong places.
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| 10-26-21 09:20PM |
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curlerbroad
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Originally posted by MeaghanEdwards
Thanks, kept looking in all the wrong places.
No worries…I wonder if the US women have to play any teams from Brazil or Mexico?
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| 10-27-21 04:29PM |
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Originally posted by J-Ho
I wonder if the WCF would ever seriously run the risk of having a worlds without Canada? While there are several prominent teams in world curling today outside Canada. They couldn't afford the massive bail of sponsorship and revenue that would be experienced by Canada not being there.
JH
Not really. Canada is leagues beyond the other teams. Team Howard, the 8th best team in the country, played Brazil 3 years ago and he was always in control. The best chance for Canada to miss out at Worlds would be a last place finish from USA or Canada at a Worlds in Canada. And even then, I'd be surprised that it would happen.
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| 10-27-21 06:40PM |
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Curlwalker
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Timing of new championship
Does this mean that this will be like the Euro championships? i.e. that the 2022 Canadian champ will compete in this event to qualify Canada and then the winner of the 2023 Brier will be the one going to the 2023 worlds. I assume this will be held during the time period of the provincial playdowns so it will give the defending Canadian champions an event to allow them to keep sharp instead of sitting around while the provincials are played. With the inclusion of the U.S.A., Korea, Japan and China that would make these teams plus Canada as favourites but wouldn't take much of a slip=up to drop one of them out of the worlds.
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| 10-29-21 01:49AM |
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Re: Timing of new championship
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Originally posted by Curlwalker
Does this mean that this will be like the Euro championships? i.e. that the 2022 Canadian champ will compete in this event to qualify Canada and then the winner of the 2023 Brier will be the one going to the 2023 worlds. I assume this will be held during the time period of the provincial playdowns so it will give the defending Canadian champions an event to allow them to keep sharp instead of sitting around while the provincials are played. With the inclusion of the U.S.A., Korea, Japan and China that would make these teams plus Canada as favourites but wouldn't take much of a slip=up to drop one of them out of the worlds.
No that would mean the Asia-Pacific championship merging with the American qualifier. Right now, I'd say Canada or the US' best change to miss Worlds would be for one of them to finish last at Worlds so the second American spot is not guaranteed meaning that they would have to qualify through the world qualification event. And the European and Asian teams there are better than Brazil and Mexico right now. However, if they lose a spot, that direct spot would go to a country that would have played in the qualification event, so even then, They'd be massive favourites to qualify.
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| 10-29-21 08:47AM |
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Curlwalker
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Spot not guaranteed
According to the WCF article there will not be a guaranteed spot for any Americas team. 7 competitors will come from the Europeans, 5 from this pan-continental with the 13th being from the strongest finisher in the previous worlds from the two championships. They do not mention any guaranteed Americas teams. At least that is the way it reads to me.
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| 10-29-21 10:36AM |
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Re: Spot not guaranteed
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According to the WCF article there will not be a guaranteed spot for any Americas team. 7 competitors will come from the Europeans, 5 from this pan-continental with the 13th being from the strongest finisher in the previous worlds from the two championships. They do not mention any guaranteed Americas teams. At least that is the way it reads to me.
There should be 3-4 spots from North America. 2 from Canada , 1 from the states and 1 extra for any host country.
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| 10-29-21 10:50AM |
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Re: Re: Spot not guaranteed
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There should be 3-4 spots from North America. 2 from Canada , 1 from the states and 1 extra for any host country.
As long as anti-Canada Cate is in charge that won’t happen
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| 10-29-21 09:07PM |
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MeaghanEdwards
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Yes, steaming can be found on the Lacombe Curling Club FB page
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| 10-30-21 11:30AM |
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Re: Spot not guaranteed
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According to the WCF article there will not be a guaranteed spot for any Americas team. 7 competitors will come from the Europeans, 5 from this pan-continental with the 13th being from the strongest finisher in the previous worlds from the two championships. They do not mention any guaranteed Americas teams. At least that is the way it reads to me.
Americas teams play in the Pan-Continental Championship. The event is guaranteed 5 spots at worlds.
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