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05-10-20 11:30PM
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Canada swept 2020 World Juniors, both teams are MB (Gauthier is technically MB2, but whatever).

Cathy Gauthier noted that this is part of a trend, with MB winning Scotties (Einarson), and MB vs MB in WC game (Fleury vs Jones). See https://youtu.be/Gs8g79pFnQI

2016 was the first time ever in Scotties history that 2 teams from same province was in page playoff. That's MB (Einarson) and CA (Jones) See: https://youtu.be/VjOWZuE-6XM

These two of course meet again in the 2018 final.

I learned a bit about Manitoba provincials from Mike McEwen's interview with John Cullen https://stoneandstraw.libsyn.com/s02e05-mike-mcewen

I watched (YouTube replay) Mike McEwen's much anticipated Brier debut, having been #1 in the world for some time but just couldn't break through until 2016. That was a crazy first end, even Russ Howard claimed that it's probably the most entertaining first end of first draw for a Brier rookie team by far, or something like that ( https://youtu.be/BJCktus0Q0A?t=27m23s ). They had a gazillion rocks and BJ's run back had Gushue scared to death, as heard in the Sounds of the Game highlight (what happened to those, by the the way? That was such a neat idea! https://youtu.be/BJCktus0Q0A?t=1h37m06s).

I'm not familiar with ancient Manitoba curling lores, but these are all relatively recent.

I am not Manitoba Legend.

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I wouldn't say I'm focused on Manitoba. I just picked it for the analogy: if someone has the crazy idea of insisting on Canada having multiple teams at the world level, shouldn't we at least first accept a Canadian province having multiple teams at the national level?

Based on everything I've heard recently (TSN and WCF on YouTube, podcasts), I chose MB to be that province, just for the sake of my counterargument.

Heck, Gauthier practically proved the case when he became MB2 and went on to win Canada and then the world.

Can you imagine what would've happened if they didn't have MB2 at the Canadian juniors this year?

Keep in mind that I'm also halfway invested in Jacques in particular because I watched 2019 Juniors final. What a devastating loss, against his own cousin (who's setting all sorts of record and a sure candidate for a hall of famer if he can keep going).

Cathy shared on TSN broadcast that Jacques took the loss especially hard since he blamed himself for a missed line call on an otherwise makeable winning last shot.

Sports Manitoba interviewed Gauthier and Zacharias after their wins, it's a nice listen.

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/an...cast/e/68135434

I'm not Canadian. I can't even point to Manitoba on the map. I think it's in the west, because Glen Howard (and others) talk about the East vs West rivalry a lot of the olden days, and he made it sound like Ontario where he comes from is in the east.

Have a glimpse at my YouTube channel and you'll see that my curling universe is expansive, including mixed doubles and international scene. I'm generally not rooting for any particular province at the Scotties/Brier (which I think is where this provincialism is strongest).

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The TSN crew talked about ice advantage at provincials. Cathy let out the "secret" that head ice tech for Curling Canada Greg Ewasko also makes the ice for Manitoba, which as Russ jokingly retorted, is kind of cheating ( https://youtu.be/cJMoH__MVBk ).

I've heard about this hitting vs finesse debate, usually summed up by the slogans "Drink Draw Win" vs "Hit Sleep Lose" ( https://twitter.com/curling/status/1086703119285788679 ).

Warren Hansen in Inside Curling attributed a slider story to, I believe Matt Baldwin if I remember correctly. Baldwin had already secured the win, and he slid all the way across the sheet to the surprise and cheers from the crowd. Looked so fun that this stunt exploded the interest to the younger players.

//edit: a bit of Googling confirms that yes, it was Matt Baldwin with the infamous slide that ignited the subsequent boom in the sport especially among the youths. I thought maybe this was an obscure story but apparently it was quite a widely known fact.

https://www.curling.ca/hof/people/baldwin-mathew-m/

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At age 27, Baldwin was then the youngest skip to win a Brier, in an era when teams were generally led by men decades older. He is also remembered for pleasing a cheering Edmonton hometown crowd by sliding halfway down the sheet of ice when throwing his final rock of the event, a move that was legal under the curling rules of the time.

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I am interested in the Manitoba Diaspora - not just mercenaries who jumped from their team to another, but those who moved for work (or maybe to curl) and left us cheering for them as home grown talent. There are lots in the women's game, Scott and hers. Darbyshire got a Oly medal. Even The Brette and Blair sisters out in BC are still knocking at the Women's provincial championships there. And among the men? Ryan? There's a biggy. So many in Alberta (we smuggly point out). Do they think Alberta is easier? Lots do rise to the top there. Most evacuees proudly rep their new homeland, while we still live with that yeah-but truth about where they were rooted and stay hushed about the strip of Manitoba that they took from us. I'd like to see that list developed.

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Rewatching the 2017 Roar of the Rings womens final between Homan and Carey the game was a little closer than I remembered it.. it's a good thing in the 8th end on Homans last rock up by 1 they ddint listen to Miskews suggestion that they try to play the split to get 2... That would have been a very low percentage shot and they came to their senses and got the blank to take hammer into the 9th end.. And in the 9th Homan last rock was heavy and stopped in time to take 1 instead of giving up the steal...


Who would have guessed at that time that would be that teams zenith.. their highest point..and starting after that massive disapointment… Being the only womens team in Canadian Olympic curling history to not medal at the Olympics.. and then a year later at the Scotties having a 5-1 lead after 4 and letting it get away from them and then another Scotties loss in 2020... I like Lisa Weagle and I wouldn't put the blame on her for the big disapointments the last few years but they had to try and change the karma..do something to shake things up

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Rachel Homan was well aware of Sarah Wilkes way before 2020 Scotties. She subbed for Courtney, who was away at 2017 mixed doubles worlds trying to secure a spot for Canada at the Olympics. She helped the team win a slam.

They talked about these kinds of scheduling conflicts here
https://youtu.be/tTcTMD3ML-I

The final of the 2017 Champions Cup where Wilkes played for Homan va Hasselborg is here
https://youtu.be/sDnQJ-z-Cn8

Fun game: guess whose name is on the back of Wilkes' jersey.

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On track with the thread of curling on tv, how about the replay of Cathy O vs Jones at the Scotties in Charlottetown where 99% of the hometown crowd were cheering for Cathy O.

Then show the trials final between Gushue and Stoughton.

Maybe next week.

Must see TV.

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Never tire of seeing the Koe and Homan celebrations. Koodog picked up Ben there, that was adorable.

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Be nice if Ben could win something and not have to use the "F" word. Must cost him a fortune in fines.

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Speaking of Cathy O I had forgot she played with Carey during the 2017/2018 season... If you had asked me. who Careys vice that year was I would have guessed Amy Nixon... So Jenny Jones fires Cathy O because she thought her chances of getting to the 2014 Olympics were better with Kaitlyn Lawes and 8 years later Cathy O almost get to a Olympics...

The 2005 mens trial final is easily found on YouTube.... In the last end if Mead doesn't miss the line call on Jeffs 1st rock do they probably go to the Olympics? They would have had to have stole in the 11 end so mathematically the odds werent good..... In the 10th Korab and Nichols each missed makeable shots perhaps nerves were getting to them.. Had jeff came back to win that game it would have been one of the greatest comebacks in curling history given he was down 6-2 after 4 ends..

On that missed line call when Jeff frantically tries to call off his sweepers that is the loudest ive ever heard Jeff... After the shot Mead is so upset he stays as far away from jeff as he can and wont make eye contact with him.. It's been said Mead was so upset and disappointed by that missed call he briefly stepped away from competitive curling


One game I cant find is the Bernard/Kleibrink 2009 trials final on YouTube... Perhaps TSN has already shown it and I missed it

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The 2017 trials final between Koe and McEwen in the 9th end McEwen was down by 1 with hammer.. Where McEwen lost the game is when after the leads had thrown their rocks Mike was looking at getting 2 or 3 until Wozniaks 1st stone was light on the draw and wozniaks 2nd stone he missed badly which took away the likelihood Mike would score multiple points and he had to settle for one..

In the 10th end on mikes last 2 rocks he had to deal with the music going off during his timeout and a cameraman being in his line of vision on his 1st throw.. On Koes last draw to win the trials Laing and Hebert were pounding it the whole way and I didn't think they would get it there and Cheryl Bernard didn't either

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Classic tv

Watching senators vs Boston NOT classic 2017. How can it be classic 3 years old.


Watching Habs Flyers 76, that's classic. What a game. Danny Gallivan is the definition of classic. Caught up in the paraphernalia, dumped in delicately, scintillating save....Good times.

Harken back the memories of youth.

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now the LEGEND is an expert on hockey and women in sport

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I'd really live to see some stuff not from 3 or 4 years ago. How about some of the ferbey 4 or colleen jones stuff. Let's not pretend they couldnt if they wanted to. And it would be great to see

Actually as a hemmings fan I'd love to see them replay tje 98 or 99 brier final

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I'm not in Canada, so I haven't been watching any of these televised "classic" curling (I don't watch TV anyway).

Is CBC doing any replays though? Because according to Wikipedia, they had the rights from 1962 to 2011. I know that TSN and Sportsnet are replaying curling, but is even CBC doing it?

Ferbey Four and Guy Hemmings would've been CBC era, wouldn't it?

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No, it's only been tsn and you might have a point. If that's the case even going back to 2012 and rebroadcasting the nedohin/scott final or holland/jones from 2013 would be great to see

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I'm not in Canada, so I haven't been watching any of these televised "classic" curling (I don't watch TV anyway).

Is CBC doing any replays though? Because according to Wikipedia, they had the rights from 1962 to 2011. I know that TSN and Sportsnet are replaying curling, but is even CBC doing it?

Ferbey Four and Guy Hemmings would've been CBC era, wouldn't it?





yes the Hemmings and Ferbey 4 era was the CBC days

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I'd really live to see some stuff not from 3 or 4 years ago. How about some of the ferbey 4 or colleen jones stuff. Let's not pretend they couldnt if they wanted to. And it would be great to see

Actually as a hemmings fan I'd love to see them replay tje 98 or 99 brier final

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VHS curling on YouTube has tons of Colleen Jones games from 1999 to 2004 and has a few games of the ferbey 4 in world championship play

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Holland vs Jones was an absolute burn down the outhouse, classic curling fight.

Jones was ascending to her position as all-time best and had one of her best teams, with maximum experience at all positions.

But Holland refused to be intimidated, even with a slightly inferior group at her disposal.

They fought the superior forces of Jones tooth 'n nail.

Holland's performance that day might was one for the ages. She answered Jones' heroics with more heroics of her own.

In the end, Jones & Cathy O. clumsied up JJ's final stone in the extra end - one that was a short angle tap back raise, a high degree of difficulty shot but one Jones usually makes 9 times out of 10.

But Jones & Clapham were on distant wavelengths when the shot approached the hog. Jones thought she had the shot made - and did a small bit of pre-celebration. I'm sure she's embarrassed now when its shown on TV.

But Amber Holland, this was her day. A great day for Saskatchewan and a clear demonstrations that shows even the most needy of underdogs can come up and bite you.




Very true, Manitoba Legend, but Kaitlyn Lawes was third for Jones on that day against Holland. I believe it was her first year on the team (it was the 2011 Scotties, not 2013 as mentioned previously). Lawes raised her broom early as well, thinking the shot was made. Perhaps a little inexperience there, which is no longer present. Lawes and Jones seem to have as many opposite line calls now as Overton-Clapham and Jones had years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3jCgZl1Lns

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VHS curling on YouTube has tons of Colleen Jones games from 1999 to 2004 and has a few games of the ferbey 4 in world championship play



wow, i did not know that. thankyou for directing me to that account. really appreciate it. i love colleen. think i;ll be visiting this account a lot

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Curling Legends has some older matches too if we're letting YouTube in the mix. Some Ferbey in there as skip, not sure if that was *THE* Ferbey 4 team though.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZ...qtADc4gyYXgZTWg

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TSN again showing world finals from Moncton. Worst 10th end played from Canada ever.. I was
6 rows up all week far end behind that sheet and saw it all. Huge ovations for Russ Howard coaching the Swiss. Singing along with Mrs Murdoch, we'll be comin'
Down the rrrrroad.

Not sure if you see at the end like I did, as I've mentioned before, but Hebert throws his flowers on the floor behind him and puts his medal in his pocket. Disrespect to ALL.

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