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| 03-25-23 10:27PM |
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Originally posted by CurlingWatcher1
Of course, its a conspiracy. Canada has 5 of the top women teams in the world. The fact Team Einarson can dominate that field in the scotties on a regular basis demonstrates something is not right.
Anyways, its most visible in NHL hockey. The Bobby Orr story just isn't what we are told. He was systematically destroyed by the establishment because Orr has smarts and integrity. Same goes for Bobby Hull. The reason Hull and Orr didn't play in the 1972 Russia Canada Summit series is because the tournament was a rigged farce. Orr couldn't even get any kind of job because he wouldn't play nice. The bad knee, the dumb story that crook Eagleson robbed him, etc is all nonsense. He was run out of society because he knew it is all rigged and wanted to spill the beans and people would believe him.
Whhaaaatt? Good Lord what are you on? They lost a game to a good team on questionable ice. What's that got to do with Bobby Orr 50 years ago? You're fellow conspiracy theory buddy Trump is on line 3, thanking for your January 6th contribution. MCCGA.
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| 03-26-23 05:59AM |
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On The Nose
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Originally posted by Captain Iceberg
I was in Sandviken and watched a couple of games. (Yes, I’m Swedish.) The ice conditions were of course different than grand slam ice. A bit straighter, and the WCF stones seem not as lively either. But this is no news, and I always wonder how this could come as a surprise to any Canadian team. I guess they are not prepared and haven’t played much in Europe. Again.
It goes without saying that any Swedish team would practise on Canadian ice before competing in Canada. And do the necessary adjustments in technique.
From a European view I guess it’s an advantage that the Canadian teams don’t get the preparations to perform their best. But from a curling lover’s perspective it’s too bad that we don’t get to see them at their prime.
How do you explain that your home Swedish team did just as poorly as Canada this past week, then?
Sweden missed a lot of shots, just as Canada did.
The fact is that, aside from the Swiss team, this was a very poorly played event by all the teams compared with the level we're used to seeing at international competitions (Worlds and the Olympics).
The only plausible explanation is the poor ice conditions (and, to a lesser extent, the dead rocks).
My only explanation as to why the Swiss did extremely well is that they adjusted to the poor conditions better. And that adjustment served them well, as every team they played was lost on that ice.
Indeed, the conditions are the same for all teams - but it is well known in every sport that when the conditions are poor, it's a great equalizer. Whether it's poor weather conditions (wind, rain, etc.) in outdoor sports, or ice conditions in curling, poor conditions neutralize the best players, leading to a more even playing field where level of talent/ability is significantly less of a factor than when the conditions are as they usually are.
As for the Einarson team, I hope they don't panic to the point of making any personnel changes. This is a very good team... a team that has proven their quality many, many times. Don't let one bad showing in poor conditions spoil what you have.
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| 03-26-23 07:08AM |
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curlingclips
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Originally posted by On The Nose
My only explanation as to why the Swiss did extremely well is that they adjusted to the poor conditions better.
Kevin Martin said on Inside Curling podcast that he talked to Silvana Tirinzoni, and supposedly their team figured out that it wasn't really the ice per se that is challenging. It's the rocks, which are basically mismatched compared to other sets of rocks.
Mismatched rocks follow different paths, and different paths have different speed. But the ice itself is very consistent on any particular path.
Maybe that also explains why the DSC this year is the best it's ever been in many years.
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| 03-26-23 02:23PM |
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4 in a row and 5 overall for Patz is just unreal. An Einarson grabbing a medal is great.
Cathy and Russ sure pushing to have the Scotties and Brier way earlier. This would be extremely hard to do. If you do it in December then the provincial playdowns would need to be in Nov along with the provincial qualifiers. So that pushes into the cashspiel season which ain't going to fly with those sponsors. Also, for the non-elite, non-slam playing teams the provincials are their yearly goal and having it all done by Xmas isn't going to attract more players.
I think that the ridiculous emphasis on achievement in one event that only 6 Canadian teams have a chance at qualifying for on each side is going to hurt the game even further. But as I've stated before, Curl Canada has absolutely failed at their core mandate which is to grow the game overall so they want to make it about medals so when they win one they can delude themselves into thinking they are doing a good job.
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| 03-26-23 02:28PM |
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Originally posted by CurlingWatcher1
The Oligarchs are most pleased.
Switzerland wins as usual and Canada finishes no better than 3rd.
Now we have the mens where of course Gushue is not allowed to win. Will finish no better than 2nd.as usual. There is no doubt whatsoever that Gushue will not win.
The Oligarchs control the NHL as well. Does anyone really believe Connor McDavid has $100M in the bank? Of course not. He doesn't even have any kids. Meanwhile, they have to wear pride uniforms mocking the nhl just like stick curling mocks curling.
As the oligarch in charge of fixing curling I would like to know who leaked you the information.
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| 03-26-23 03:25PM |
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Alvin
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Residency
It is interesting to note that there are 8,000 licensed curlers in Switzerland, men and women combined. There are probably more than that in P.E.I. So there should be some thinking about why you cannot put together a world class team from any province. By the way, there are fewer curlers in Italy. With over a million licensed curlers in Canada, the problem should be found elsewhere but residency.
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| 03-26-23 04:25PM |
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Holy crap, when did all the whack jobs get here?
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| 03-26-23 04:29PM |
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myhouse911
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Sixth gold medal for both Patz (5 + 1 as an alternate) and Howald (5 previous were as an alternate). And a Suisse team have now won 8 of the last 11 Worlds. Wow.
Also, congrats to Norway, who had not medaled since Nordby nearly two decades ago.
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| 03-26-23 04:46PM |
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Originally posted by CurlingWatcher1
The Oligarchs are most pleased.
Switzerland wins as usual and Canada finishes no better than 3rd.
Now we have the mens where of course Gushue is not allowed to win. Will finish no better than 2nd.as usual. There is no doubt whatsoever that Gushue will not win.
The Oligarchs control the NHL as well. Does anyone really believe Connor McDavid has $100M in the bank? Of course not. He doesn't even have any kids. Meanwhile, they have to wear pride uniforms mocking the nhl just like stick curling mocks curling.
Another Dufus that is out there..the pride thing with nhl has nothing to do with this curling forum...AND regarding stick curlers do you not realize that these people are for the most part long term curlers who likely have shot knees or are handicapped and cannot get down in the hack anymore. To be able to stay in the game they love albeit at a recreational level is keeping the clubs numbers and cash flow up and just has to be good for the game....I am one of those guys and can still terrorise the young bucks...We do not want to be playing with a stick but it keeps us in the game. I hope you never get to this stage in your curling life..best to rethink your dumb statement bud.You hit a sore spot with this old senior who has been around the rink longer than dirt.
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| 03-26-23 05:05PM |
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Originally posted by CurlingWatcher1
The Oligarchs are most pleased.
Switzerland wins as usual and Canada finishes no better than 3rd.
Now we have the mens where of course Gushue is not allowed to win. Will finish no better than 2nd.as usual. There is no doubt whatsoever that Gushue will not win.
The Oligarchs control the NHL as well. Does anyone really believe Connor McDavid has $100M in the bank? Of course not. He doesn't even have any kids. Meanwhile, they have to wear pride uniforms mocking the nhl just like stick curling mocks curling.
Spoiler alert: the oligarchs want Scotland to separate from Britain and therefore have decided to have them win the mens worlds and therefore increase Scottish national pride in order to achive said goal. The vote was close until a couple of dissenters fell out the window,
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| 03-26-23 05:11PM |
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dugless_zone 13
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I'm guessing they are not a curler at all.
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| 03-26-23 07:13PM |
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IN-OFF-FOR-2
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What's wrong with just saying congratulations and thank you Team Canada for grinding it out over a very difficult week and still winning bronze. Didn't get to see the game, way too early. Watched the gold medal game and was hoping for Norway. Good for the game with new winners. Not to be.
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| 03-26-23 07:18PM |
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Maggie
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Originally posted by hogged again
As the oligarch in charge of fixing curling I would like to know who leaked you the information.
Finally! Someone who admits they’re an Oligarch. Can you do me a solid and put me in touch with the Oligarch in charge of Pride Events?
I’d like a word.
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| 03-26-23 07:48PM |
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Martym
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Originally posted by myhouse911
Sixth gold medal for both Patz (5 + 1 as an alternate) and Howald (5 previous were as an alternate). And a Suisse team have now won 8 of the last 11 Worlds. Wow.
Also, congrats to Norway, who had not medaled since Nordby nearly two decades ago.
Of course the Swiss women have never won the ultimate prize - Olympics gold. Maybe they can change that in 2026?
PS I love the idea that whether or not Bruce Mouat wins the men's worlds next week might be a determining factor in Scottish independence?!
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| 03-26-23 08:42PM |
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Originally posted by IN-OFF-FOR-2
What's wrong with just saying congratulations and thank you Team Canada for grinding it out over a very difficult week and still winning bronze. Didn't get to see the game, way too early. Watched the gold medal game and was hoping for Norway. Good for the game with new winners. Not to be.
Norway had them in 9 after Tirinzoni did her usual late ends bad miss coming up 12 feet short on a draw. If they sweep the skips first rock 6 more inches instead of watching it die and she doesn't go a rock deep on her last they would have stolen perhaps multiple points. They left Patz an out and she doesn't miss many when it counts.
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| 03-27-23 06:37AM |
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myhouse911
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Random fun fact:
Only four teams** have won medals at four consecutive World Championships.
Team Tirinzoni (Patz 4th, Tirinzoni Skip/3rd) 2019-2023
Team Sidorova (Sidorova Skip, Fomina 3rd, Raeva 2nd/alt, Ezekh lead/alt) 2014-2017
Team Gustafson (Gustafson Skip, Nyberg 3rd, Marmont 2nd, Persson lead) 1992-1995
Team Schopp (Schopp Skip, Wagner 3rd/2nd) 1986-1989
+ Sidorova remains the only curler to win 5 medals in a row. She was Team Moiseeva’s alternate in 2018.
**Teams with at least 2 members consistently in the lineup.
While obviously this is more difficult for Canadian teams to do, Colleen Jones was the closest – Gold in 2001 and 2004, Silver in 2003. They blew a big lead in the 2002 Bronze game to Norway’s Nordby.
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Random fun fact:
Only four teams** have won medals at four consecutive World Championships.
Team Tirinzoni (Patz 4th, Tirinzoni Skip/3rd) 2019-2023
Team Sidorova (Sidorova Skip, Fomina 3rd, Raeva 2nd/alt, Ezekh lead/alt) 2014-2017
Team Gustafson (Gustafson Skip, Nyberg 3rd, Marmont 2nd, Persson lead) 1992-1995
Team Schopp (Schopp Skip, Wagner 3rd/2nd) 1986-1989
+ Sidorova remains the only curler to win 5 medals in a row. She was Team Moiseeva’s alternate in 2018.
**Teams with at least 2 members consistently in the lineup.
While obviously this is more difficult for Canadian teams to do, Colleen Jones was the closest – Gold in 2001 and 2004, Silver in 2003. They blew a big lead in the 2002 Bronze game to Norway’s Nordby.
Interesting. I wold have bet the farm that Dordi Nordby would have been on that list. 11 medals in 17 appearances but I guess she spaced them out a bit.
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| 03-27-23 01:36PM |
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Went and looked up Dordi. 18 worlds not the 17 I said. 11 medals won 3 in a row on 2 occasions. She actually had a 6 year medal stretch where she won olympic demo medals in 88 and 92, world medals in 89,90,91 and,93. Quite the HOF career.
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| 03-27-23 02:22PM |
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curlingclips
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Originally posted by Dangermouse
Stealing is more likely than scoring 3 points.
Koe was sitting 3 before Edin made the double with his final stone in 7th, so maybe Koe was thinking it can happen again in 8th.
The fun part is when you go back and look at how Koe was able to sit 3 in 7th in the first place.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzbRcnQ5gNk&t=2h7m35s
Both Eriksson and Edin rolled out on a simple hit and stick. These people know how to miss a shot, so one might wonder if they rolled out intentionally, to lull Koe into falsely believing that they would "have a sniff at 3" in 8th because they just did in 7th.
Edin ended up playing the 8th ruthlessly, of course, and Koe couldn't even score 2 to tie and try to steal the extra end.
Curling mind games is fun!
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| 03-27-23 04:28PM |
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myhouse911
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Originally posted by hogged again
Went and looked up Dordi. 18 worlds not the 17 I said. 11 medals won 3 in a row on 2 occasions. She actually had a 6 year medal stretch where she won olympic demo medals in 88 and 92, world medals in 89,90,91 and,93. Quite the HOF career.
Yep, I thought for sure she would have been the one with the most years in a row with a medal, but clearly when I went digging she was not. She definitely deserved her HOF induction, though.
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