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I think Tracy Fleury has to go! This is not working for her! You can see she is not herself! Homan is calling most of the shots..

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They clapback at their critics online, proudly brandishing the #StayWeird hashtag, good on them. Homan is still the skip hence why they call themselves Team Homan (also for marketing). So their team isn't "traditional", so what? All new teams go through ups and downs, and they have proven they can win together.

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Originally posted by MeaghanEdwards
So their team isn't "traditional", so what?

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Chemistry seems fine to me on and off ice. Success has been good this season despite the bad Scotties loss. Some awkwardness, sure, but it's a big transition and likely a work in progress.

What I do think is undeniable is Fleury's shooting is worse. But it makes sense as she's had to reconfigure her release. It's led to an uneven season. But I fully expect that to improve as she gets more comfortable.

Ultimately these are smart, successful athletes. They're capable of working through issues.

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My prediction is that Team Homan would get a new coach before a new player, which I don't even see happening before 2026 unless there's a major life-changing event.

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Originally posted by curlingclips
My prediction is that Team Homan would get a new coach before a new player, which I don't even see happening before 2026 unless there's a major life-changing event.

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Homan and fleury have had a good season together overall. The scotties was just a let down. I would be surprised if they broke up

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Some interesting comments above.

I, personally, feel that their chemistry is not good at all. Every player seems out of her natural element and not comfortable.

Homan is the type of personality that wants things done her way. Having someone other than her calling the game is not comfortable or natural for her, and that can be seen in her demeanour.

Fleury senses that Homan isn't comfortable, and that puts added pressure on her, and makes her uncomfortable, as well. She is very obviously skipping someone else's team - it's clearly not Fleury's team, it's Homan's team.
She is also throwing Third rocks, when she is a natural 4th rock thrower.

Miskew is Homan's natural 'go to' person - and has been for the past, what, 20 years or more? The dynamic between Miskew and Homan was obviously disturbed with Miskew moving to Second, and Fleury calling the shots instead of Homan.

Wilkes is a more natural back end player who seems to have adapted well to playing the front end. She is the one who is least impacted by the changes that Fleury's arrival brought.

Overall, you have all 4 players on the team playing out of their natural position (Homan is not calling the game, Fleury is not throwing 4th rocks, Miskew is a natural Third, and Wilkes is a natural Third, as well).

Please don't compare this to Einarson's team of 4 Skips, as that's apples and oranges - the Einarson 4 came from 4 different places to unite on one team, and knew the role they were accepting, whereas Fleury came in to an already established Homan team, and completely shook up the dynamic and all the players' positions - that's very different than the 4 Einarson players coming from 4 different places.

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I just think that they need to look to long-term success.

Sometimes these relationships need to develop over time. (remember when Mark Nichols left Gushue for a time. They came to a realization that they worked together very well, and the rest is history)

Give it another year, or even two with Fleury. This combo has the potential for dynasty.

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A collection of great players doesn't always work. A team must function as a team in order to have success. And to function as a successful team, everyone must be comfortable in and accept their roles (without resentment, obviously), and learn to excel in their roles.
I didn't see that happening with this team this year - and I saw no signs that it will change in the future.

I don't see the potential for a dynasty... I think that at least 3 of the players are unhappy and resentful because they are in unnatural roles, and I see only the potential for that unhappiness and resentment to grow.

As with everything else, though, time will tell...

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Originally posted by On The Nose
Some interesting comments above.

I, personally, feel that their chemistry is not good at all. Every player seems out of her natural element and not comfortable.

Homan is the type of personality that wants things done her way. Having someone other than her calling the game is not comfortable or natural for her, and that can be seen in her demeanour.

Fleury senses that Homan isn't comfortable, and that puts added pressure on her, and makes her uncomfortable, as well. She is very obviously skipping someone else's team - it's clearly not Fleury's team, it's Homan's team.
She is also throwing Third rocks, when she is a natural 4th rock thrower.

Miskew is Homan's natural 'go to' person - and has been for the past, what, 20 years or more? The dynamic between Miskew and Homan was obviously disturbed with Miskew moving to Second, and Fleury calling the shots instead of Homan.

Wilkes is a more natural back end player who seems to have adapted well to playing the front end. She is the one who is least impacted by the changes that Fleury's arrival brought.

Overall, you have all 4 players on the team playing out of their natural position (Homan is not calling the game, Fleury is not throwing 4th rocks, Miskew is a natural Third, and Wilkes is a natural Third, as well).

Please don't compare this to Einarson's team of 4 Skips, as that's apples and oranges - the Einarson 4 came from 4 different places to unite on one team, and knew the role they were accepting, whereas Fleury came in to an already established Homan team, and completely shook up the dynamic and all the players' positions - that's very different than the 4 Einarson players coming from 4 different places.

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Originally posted by hogged again
Homan is a better all around shooter than Fleury IMO and she is still calling the game from 3rd position so she should be holding the broom.

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Originally posted by curlingclips

That statement is absolutely incoherent.

Homan is not 3rd. Homan is 4th. Homan throws the last 2 stones for the team, therefore Homan is 4th by definition, not 3rd.

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Just wondering if anyone can clarify how Tracy can play in the Ontario Scotties and the Northern Ontario mixed doubles. Can you be part of two different provincial organizations if it’s in different disciplines?

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