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MeaghanEdwards
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Not a team change but I've been enjoying watching Carter Rycroft play with Team Koe this evening on the ATB Banff Classic. JMo won't be playing many games in this event due to injuries, nice spare. Would be nice if he maybe alternates with Denni Neufeld as a spare. Howsabout a six person team?
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| 12-17-21 01:42AM |
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UnattachedFC
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Jannsen wasn't playing outside of mixed doubles and Bottcher had a team full of Albertans, so they can take their fifth from outside of Alberta.
I don't see 6 person teams being viable and the reason for that is you always need 3 of your 4 to play. I think it's fine for a bonspiel if you know at least 3 are commited, but your 4th can't and after it comes down to who you can call. Denni could spare at Trials but couldn't spare for Koe at the Brier because BJ's an import, but Rycroft could. I think fifths for Trials is something teams often use because they don't have a provincial restriction there.
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| 12-20-21 12:49AM |
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MeaghanEdwards
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Team Bottcher posted about a sock giveaway, but nada about who's joining them.
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| 12-20-21 10:09AM |
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oliviertoisel
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Kennedy is the Gushue fifth. An impeccable choice but one has to wonder where it leaves Jacobs. Kennedy can certainly still play the Brier (and he's Mixed Doubles eligible still) but will fatigue be an issue?
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| 12-20-21 10:55AM |
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curlingclips
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Tanner Horgan was fifth for Jacobs in 2018. Maybe he can fill in for Kennedy? I don't know who else would fill that position otherwise.
I'm not sure what the Horgan/Beuk situation is like (I haven't followed this combo at all), but one would think that Horgan has better chance winning NO with Jacobs than winning ON with Beuk.
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| 12-20-21 11:07AM |
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oliviertoisel
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But can Horgan, who is clearly declared for Ontario, now able to play in NO?
Jacobs can likely with NO with 3 players if we're being practical. But it's January 4-9 so Kennedy can easily pay in provincials. The bigger problem is the MD trials end just 2 days before.
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| 12-20-21 11:20AM |
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IN-OFF-FOR-2
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Gushue said Kennedy is still playing with Jacobs for provincials
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| 12-20-21 11:23AM |
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oliviertoisel
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Team Jacobs: "We are excited for Marc & we wish him & @TeamGushue
all the best in Beijing. Also, Marc will still compete with us during all remaining competitions (Grand Slams, Provincials & Brier if we qualify)"
https://twitter.com/TeamBradJacobs/...959084940959753
Einarson gets Jacobs and Gushue gets Kennedy. Seems fair!
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| 12-20-21 12:30PM |
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prairie guy
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Does anyone know if Gushue's team has made a decision yet about entering Newfoundland Brier playdowns??
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| 12-20-21 02:58PM |
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albetts
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Originally posted by oliviertoisel
Kennedy is the Gushue fifth. An impeccable choice but one has to wonder where it leaves Jacobs. Kennedy can certainly still play the Brier (and he's Mixed Doubles eligible still) but will fatigue be an issue?
I don't think so. He's the fifth so won't be playing "hopefully".
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| 12-20-21 03:39PM |
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decade
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Does anyone know if Gushue's team has made a decision yet about entering Newfoundland Brier playdowns??
Since regisration is now closed, someone must know. The teams in the Scotties are listed but not yet for the Tankard.
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| 12-20-21 04:09PM |
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IN-OFF-FOR-2
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Gushue is registered for the tankard. Go to the team Facebook page and watch the update from today. Answered a bunch of questions. Very good update.
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| 12-20-21 04:32PM |
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curlingclips
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Originally posted by oliviertoisel
But can Horgan, who is clearly declared for Ontario, now able to play in NO?
Depending on timing, the answer is an easy yes. You can switch province from year to year. This is how Ryan Fry and Adam Casey has 4 provincial crests each. (Ryan Fry would like to point out that he also has Team Canada crest, so he "wins" that contest).
So the question is, did Horgan declare himself for Ontario this year?
I'm honestly not sure if he ever did. There hadn't been any Ontario playdown process due to COVID, I think. The trials/pre-trials have no residency requirements. He had never officially represented Ontario in any event.
Even if he did declare himself for Ontario, he may or may not be able to simultaneously declare himself for Northern Ontario as well (ala dual citizenships). From my reading of the rules (which I admit is very confusing), this is acceptable.
What is NOT acceptable is to participate in two playdown processes in the same season. As far as I can tell, Horgan hasn't yet participate in either.
If Horgan played with Team Beuk in ON playdown and lost, then he is definitely not eligible to be fifth man for Team Jacobs. But, as it stands now, since neither ON or NO playdowns have officially started yet, I think Horgan can still join Jacobs out of NO.
I could be wrong, though. Let me know if you have different reading of the rules.
https://www.curling.ca/team-canada/...esidency-rules/
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| 12-20-21 04:37PM |
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Originally posted by curlingclips
Depending on timing, the answer is an easy yes. You can switch province from year to year. This is how Ryan Fry and Adam Casey has 4 provincial crests each. (Ryan Fry would like to point out that he also has Team Canada crest, so he "wins" that contest).
So the question is, did Horgan declare himself for Ontario this year?
I'm honestly not sure if he ever did. There hadn't been any Ontario playdown process due to COVID, I think. The trials/pre-trials have no residency requirements. He had never officially represented Ontario in any event.
Even if he did declare himself for Ontario, he may or may not be able to simultaneously declare himself for Northern Ontario as well (ala dual citizenships). From my reading of the rules (which I admit is very confusing), this is acceptable.
What is NOT acceptable is to participate in two playdown processes in the same season. As far as I can tell, Horgan hasn't yet participate in either.
If Horgan played with Team Beuk in ON playdown and lost, then he is definitely not eligible to be fifth man for Team Jacobs. But, as it stands now, since neither ON or NO playdowns have officially started yet, I think Horgan can still join Jacobs out of NO.
I could be wrong, though. Let me know if you have different reading of the rules.
https://www.curling.ca/team-canada/...esidency-rules/
Horgan is registered for Ontario playdowns and played a provincial entry cash spiel last weekend. Kennedy is still playing with Jacobs.
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| 12-20-21 05:42PM |
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MeaghanEdwards
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Will Rycroft (or someone else) be with Koe again for the Provincials? Just thought of the timing between that event and the MD Trials which starts on Dec 28th, which Morris will be participating in.
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| 12-20-21 06:56PM |
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curlingclips
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Originally posted by DrB
Horgan is registered for Ontario playdowns and played a provincial entry cash spiel last weekend.
That's new information for me. It does sound like Horgan has officially participated in a provincial playdown process and is locked in ON for this year's Brier, if I understand the rules correctly.
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| 12-20-21 07:30PM |
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Originally posted by curlingclips
Depending on timing, the answer is an easy yes. You can switch province from year to year. This is how Ryan Fry and Adam Casey has 4 provincial crests each. (Ryan Fry would like to point out that he also has Team Canada crest, so he "wins" that contest).
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Casey has bragging rights for most provinces represented though.
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| 12-20-21 08:24PM |
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oliviertoisel
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Originally posted by curlingclips
That's new information for me. It does sound like Horgan has officially participated in a provincial playdown process and is locked in ON for this year's Brier, if I understand the rules correctly.
Yes; Horgan lost the final of the CurlON Cash Spiel qualifier: https://www.curlingzone.com/game.ph...gameid=295688#1
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| 12-20-21 08:32PM |
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curlingclips
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Originally posted by oliviertoisel
Yes; Horgan lost the final of the CurlON Cash Spiel qualifier: https://www.curlingzone.com/game.ph...gameid=295688#1
I concede that Horgan is probably locked for ON, but for the sake of arguing technicality, there may be some leeway depending on how Curling Canada define "participating in playdown process".
That game is 8-ends, for example. I realize it's a qualifier to get into CurlON provincial, but is that game itself sanctioned by CurlON? Does CurlON even sanction 8-end games at this level?
If this is an Ontario Curling Tour event, and not a CurlON Association event, does that count as participating in the playdown process?
At this point I'm just rambling. I honestly don't know how the residency rules work in Canada. I doubt many people actually do.
//edit: CurlON does have this event on their curling.io registration website, so I guess it probably was a CurlON-sanctioned event.
https://on.curling.io/en/events/916...-s-cash-spiel-1
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| 12-20-21 08:51PM |
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Of course Curl ON sanctioned these provincial qualifiers.
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| 12-20-21 08:53PM |
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prairie guy
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Gushue is registered for the tankard. Go to the team Facebook page and watch the update from today. Answered a bunch of questions. Very good update.
Thanks!
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| 12-20-21 09:00PM |
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curlingclips
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Of course Curl ON sanctioned these provincial qualifiers.
I'm not sure if this is 100% true.
WCF does not sanction all the qualifier events to get to Worlds. For example, WCF does not sanction the Brier/Scotties.
Curling Canada does not sanction all the qualifier events to get to the Brier/Scotties. For example, Curling Canada does not sanction Ontario Scotties/Tankard.
Similarly, maybe CurlON does not sanction all the qualifier events to get to the Ontario Scotties/Tankard.
There's a curler, I forgot who (Warren Hansen? Russ Howard?) who exemplified these layers of sanctioning bodies. This curler won the provincial under one set of rules, won the Brier under another set of rules, and then played in World under yet another set of rules. This is still happening now at some nitpicky level, but this was a significant rule that was being discussed (hog line violations? FGZ? I forgot, sorry!), hence its notability for playing under 3 completely different sets of rules in one season.
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IN-OFF-FOR-2
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I'm not sure if this is 100% true.
WCF does not sanction all the qualifier events to get to Worlds. For example, WCF does not sanction the Brier/Scotties.
Curling Canada does not sanction all the qualifier events to get to the Brier/Scotties. For example, Curling Canada does not sanction Ontario Scotties/Tankard.
Similarly, maybe CurlON does not sanction all the qualifier events to get to the Ontario Scotties/Tankard.
There's a curler, I forgot who (Warren Hansen? Russ Howard?) who exemplified these layers of sanctioning bodies. This curler won the provincial under one set of rules, won the Brier under another set of rules, and then played in World under yet another set of rules.
Go to curling Canada site and read the rules. Rules state a player can only register and play for ON E member association. They must register for ONE only and can not play for another in the same season. I don’t get all the speculation with Horgan whilst Kennedy is PLAYING with Jacobs. Give it up.
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| 12-20-21 09:20PM |
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curlingclips
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Give it up.
I did give it up. I conceded that Horgan is probably locked for ON. I'm just exploring technicalities of the rules, which is something that I enjoy doing probably more than most people.
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Originally posted by IN-OFF-FOR-2
Rules state a player can only register and play for ONE member association.
This is a mischaracterization of the rules. No where in the rules does it say anything about this one-registration principle.
The rule does say that you can only participate in one playdown process. I would argue that's different than saying that you can only register to play for one member association. Registering does not equal participating, at least based on my understanding of the how the words are defined.
https://www.curling.ca/team-canada/...gibility-rules/
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| 12-20-21 11:17PM |
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This time I give up. Every time you post , you make a statement, people respond, and then you react with bs. Read the rules. They’re posted in English. You can’t represent more than one member association. Not only are you blind, but also argue with everyone until you’re blue in the face.
Babe the ox called. He says you’re chopping down the wrong tree, again.
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