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hailstone
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Paralympic Curling
Um...anybody at all knowledgeable about this?
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| 03-02-22 06:27AM |
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curlingclips
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Probably one important rule is that the team on the ice must be mixed gender. This can be a challenge when a team only has one female player, because should that player be unable to play, the team must forfeit (because it would not be able to satisfy the mixed gender requirement). I'm not aware of this actually happening before.
Also, there are official assistants on the ice to help move stones around. Unlike the traditional curling where red rocks and yellow rocks are "parked" at the delivery end in opposite sites, they're usually "parked" together on one side, where the assistants are. So if you're a purist that don't like to see anyone other than the players on the ice, you'll have to deal with it and adjust your expectation, because there are a lot of "extra people" in wheelchair curling.
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| 03-02-22 07:51AM |
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hailstone
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Do you have any specific questions?
Pretty much everything. I've never seen it before, wondering if it's worth seeking out to watch.
My preconception is basically shuffleboard on ice.
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| 03-02-22 07:58AM |
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curlingclips
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Another difference to traditional curling are the wheelchair lines 18 inches on both sides of the center line. Stones must be delivered from within this 36 inch wide space between the lines.
Steve Emt says that on occasion they do move around side to side a bit within this space to get different angles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv8AKR2EE_I&t=7m9s
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| 03-02-22 08:21AM |
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curlingclips
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Originally posted by hailstone
wondering if it's worth seeking out to watch
I've only seen a handful of games, but here's my take.
No sweeping means there's little margin of error, so tactic is simpler since execution can't be as precise. I would imagine that it's probably not that different than a junior's game, or maybe games from 1990's. Lots of simple shots and just patiently waiting for misses.
Once in a while they have no choice but to go all in, and those ends can be really fun to watch, but that applies to all curling in general.
WCF recently codified wheelchair mixed doubles in the rule books, so I'm more excited to see how that looks like rather than the wheelchair mixed fours.
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| 03-02-22 01:52PM |
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Pretty much everything. I've never seen it before, wondering if it's worth seeking out to watch.
My preconception is basically shuffleboard on ice.
It's better than watching mixed doubles.
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| 03-02-22 06:24PM |
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hailstone
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It's better than watching mixed doubles.
If that's the case, then I'm definitely in. Mixed doubles is my favorite curling to watch.
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| 03-03-22 10:51AM |
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oliviertoisel
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Well the Russian team is gone so that's a shorter round robin for everyone.
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| 03-03-22 08:37PM |
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Martym
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Well the Russian team is gone so that's a shorter round robin for everyone.
Yes - one less round robin match for everyone to play. All it means though is more sessions just have 3 games instead of 4.
I presume China having won 2 of the last 3 worlds and the current Olympic champions are favourites. But Canada, Scotland/GB, Norway, Sweden, USA and Korea are also in the mix.
RCF/RPC would have been strong medal contenders had they played.
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| 03-03-22 11:07PM |
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hailstone
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RCF/RPC would have been strong medal contenders had they played.
It would have actually been Neutral Paralympic Athletes (NPA).
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| 03-04-22 08:07AM |
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oliviertoisel
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I agree RCF/RPC would've been medal threats, but not now! I feel bad for them despite agreeing with the decision.
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| 03-04-22 01:54PM |
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Originally posted by oliviertoisel
I agree RCF/RPC would've been medal threats, but not now! I feel bad for them despite agreeing with the decision.
I don't agree with what Russia has done but banning wheelchair athletes seems over the top.
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| 03-06-22 12:18AM |
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curlingclips
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I think the upcoming slams would also pose a predicament.
Right now Team Kovaleva is still listed on GSOC website.
https://thegrandslamofcurling.com/teams/team-kovaleva/
Does Team Kovaleva represent Russia/RCF in any way at the slams? I think most people would say no. Should they be dis-invited anyway because they have Russian passports?
GSOC will have to figure this out sooner or later.
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| 03-09-22 07:38AM |
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Gerry
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Originally posted by curlingclips
I think the upcoming slams would also pose a predicament.
Right now Team Kovaleva is still listed on GSOC website.
https://thegrandslamofcurling.com/teams/team-kovaleva/
Does Team Kovaleva represent Russia/RCF in any way at the slams? I think most people would say no. Should they be dis-invited anyway because they have Russian passports?
GSOC will have to figure this out sooner or later.
No really a hard decision. Russian will not be playing in the upcoming Slams.
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| 03-09-22 08:01AM |
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curlingclips
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No really a hard decision. Russian will not be playing in the upcoming Slams.
Last time I checked, tennis still allows Russians & Belarusians to play in the slams, under certain conditions. Dis-inviting Team Kovaleva from GSOC does make sense on principle, though.
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| 03-09-22 08:43AM |
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oliviertoisel
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I'm really mixed on banning Russian people when there's no national element.
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| 03-09-22 11:27AM |
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FleuryFan
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Originally posted by curlingclips
I think the upcoming slams would also pose a predicament.
Right now Team Kovaleva is still listed on GSOC website.
https://thegrandslamofcurling.com/teams/team-kovaleva/
Does Team Kovaleva represent Russia/RCF in any way at the slams? I think most people would say no. Should they be dis-invited anyway because they have Russian passports?
GSOC will have to figure this out sooner or later.
That is the teams list for the Canadian Open Slam that was supposed to happen in January. They haven’t updated the list, hence why Kovaleva is still on there…
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| 03-10-22 05:49AM |
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hailstone
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I'm really mixed on banning Russian people when there's no national element.
Any money given to a Russian athlete can be given back to Russia. Not one cent should be given to support that country. If they want to play stateless and pro bono, I'd be fine with that.
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| 04-02-22 08:17AM |
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curlingclips
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I just found out that these games are available on YouTube.
Here's the moment David Melrose fell off his chair and injured his shoulder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ3BariSpLU&t=1h5m7s
You don't see the fall, but he can be seen lying on the ground. The camera then pans to the coaches in the home end who stood up and sprinted to the away end where Melrose was.
And here's the Latvia measurement debacle that resulted in the replayed first end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxskl2MUnHM&t=18m50s
You can hear Mark Ideson said "Don't touch that!", but the IPA kicked the stone off anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxskl2MUnHM&t=41m37s
The umpire gave Canada a choice between replaying the first end or forfeiting the potential extra point. My respect for Ideson went up a notch when he made sure that everyone had a chance to chime in before he made the decision.
Replaying first end means that they then had to "herd" (for lack of better words) all the rocks from the away end back to the home end.
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| 04-02-22 10:58AM |
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decade
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quote:
Originally posted by curlingclips
I just found out that these games are available on YouTube.
Here's the moment David Melrose fell off his chair and injured his shoulder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ3BariSpLU&t=1h5m7s
You don't see the fall, but he can be seen lying on the ground. The camera then pans to the coaches in the home end who stood up and sprinted to the away end where Melrose was.
And here's the Latvia measurement debacle that resulted in the replayed first end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxskl2MUnHM&t=18m50s
You can hear Mark Ideson said "Don't touch that!", but the IPA kicked the stone off anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxskl2MUnHM&t=41m37s
The umpire gave Canada a choice between replaying the first end or forfeiting the potential extra point. My respect for Ideson went up a notch when he made sure that everyone had a chance to chime in before he made the decision.
Replaying first end means that they then had to "herd" (for lack of better words) all the rocks from the away end back to the home end.
Most people give the exact time so we can scroll quickly to pertinent part. Try doing this please.
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