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12-26-21 11:08PM
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Ya but the 40 hockey don't have a positive Covid 19 test! Some or a bunch of curlers apparently have tested positive!

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Ya but the 40 hockey don't have a positive Covid 19 test! Some or a bunch of curlers apparently have tested positive!


Wouldn’t it make sense for them to not attend then? These positive people are not at the facility yet.
People can go into restaurants with a negative test that is good for 72 hours. Have the players take a test every 2 days.

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We can have 40 international hockey players on the ice at the same time in alberta. But, we can’t have 4 curlers on one sheet of ice in Manitoba????
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The difference, the 40 hockey players are in Alberta, the curlers in Manitoba. Alberta has less restrictions than Manitoba. The event should have been held much earlier too. It was pretty shambolic this year.

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The difference, the 40 hockey players are in Alberta, the curlers in Manitoba. Alberta has less restrictions than Manitoba. The event should have been held much earlier too. It was pretty shambolic this year.



The only things that ever followed lines on a map are humans. Covid 19 doesn’t stop at the sask/ man border.

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the event should have been held much earlier too. It was pretty shambolic this year.



Yes that is the question someone should be asking Curl Canada. Why wait so long to have the mixed doubles playdowns? Russ Howard has said that the Trials should be held earlier to allow max time for the winners to prepare but apparently the mixed are expected to peak in January, prep for a few weeks and peak again. It's not like the fall season was jam packed with events, this should have been played in Dec. And if CC didn't have their no player can play in both at the Olympics rule it could've been played in Oct.
Sadly this is typical of the CC's lame planning. If Canada had not finished 6th or better at the world's last year they would have been in the last chance bonspiel a couple weeks after the Trials. So whoever won the Trials would have to travel to play again almost right away. But they figured that Canada was a shoo in for top 6 and that they didn't need to make a schedule that accounted for any worst case scenario. Now they have left no margin of error to reschedule the mixed which is a huge disservice to the players who had Olympic dreams. In these covid times to not leave time in case of cancellations is amateurish at best, incompetent at worst. Planning 101 says account for worst case scenarios and build in some margin of error in the timeline, I guess CC skipped that course.

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It was not held earlier due to the timing of the Mens and Womens trials. CC has decided to not allow people on both teams (which I'm fine with but thats a whole other topic). As a result, if you wanted MD earlier, then you either had to move up traditional trials to move up MD as well, or you go with what you have.

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They easily could have and maybe even should have done the md trials before the team trials. IF one of the winning teams members won the team trials then the remaining player could select a replacement with “guidance” from Curling Canada. If both members won the team trials then send the runner up from the md. Seems like a simple operation.

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They easily could have and maybe even should have done the md trials before the team trials. IF one of the winning teams members won the team trials then the remaining player could select a replacement with “guidance” from Curling Canada. If both members won the team trials then send the runner up from the md. Seems like a simple operation.


This strikes me as wildly unfair. One player is not a team and in MD at the Olympics if one drops out then you don't get a replacement. Why should MD teams, especially specialists, be at the mercy of 4 player teams and their whims?

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That participation rule makes no sense at all. Matt Hamilton did double duty last time around and won a gold medal in the second event, which is the one you’re worried about in terms of exhaustion. Other countries saw this and have dropped their own rules against it. I don’t know why Canada didn’t, and now it’s biting them on the backside.

Has anyone ever told a track or swimming athlete they can’t compete in multiple events ? How do you think Michael Phelps racked up so many golds?

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That participation rule makes no sense at all. Matt Hamilton did double duty last time around and won a gold medal in the second event, which is the one you’re worried about in terms of exhaustion.


Devil's Advocate Argument #1, if this is such a good strategy going for the double, the US women' team finished not with a gold, but rather in 8th with a 4-5 record.

Devil's Advocate Argument #2, perhaps the fact that the Hamilton's finished with a 2-5 record and 2nd to last place in the MD event shows that this is not a great strategy. One might suggest that the Ham's spent too much time working on the team event, and not enough on MD, thus the terrible MD results.

Hypothetical. So lets say the CC followed the US recipe, and produces the exact same result in 2022. Gushue wins gold, Jones in 8th, and MD in 2nd to last place. Is this a good outcome for CC as a whole?

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Devil's Advocate Argument #1, if this is such a good strategy going for the double, the US women' team finished not with a gold, but rather in 8th with a 4-5 record.

Devil's Advocate Argument #2, perhaps the fact that the Hamilton's finished with a 2-5 record and 2nd to last place in the MD event shows that this is not a great strategy. One might suggest that the Ham's spent too much time working on the team event, and not enough on MD, thus the terrible MD results.

Hypothetical. So lets say the CC followed the US recipe, and produces the exact same result in 2022. Gushue wins gold, Jones in 8th, and MD in 2nd to last place. Is this a good outcome for CC as a whole?




Although the Americans have improved. In the big picture they are still one rung below Canada in which red curling. Yes, I know they have had wins, but so have other countries.
Canada, on average, are the best curlers in the world.

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That participation rule makes no sense at all. Matt Hamilton did double duty last time around and won a gold medal in the second event, which is the one you’re worried about in terms of exhaustion. Other countries saw this and have dropped their own rules against it. I don’t know why Canada didn’t, and now it’s biting them on the backside.

Has anyone ever told a track or swimming athlete they can’t compete in multiple events ? How do you think Michael Phelps racked up so many golds?



Bureaucracies always feel they have to do something to justify their existence. In 2018 CC had a rule that said 5th players must have international experience to be part of the Olympic team. That's why Homan had to take Bernard aboard. The rule is ridiculous. If a team that had never represented Canada internationally won the Trials they could go but their 5th could not. This also shows a complete lack of understanding of team dynamics. The 5th rarely, if ever plays but does perform team functions, tracking rocks, practicing, etc etc and changing them because of some silly rule is not good for those dynamics.
In this case, the one event only rule was brought in as, on paper, it may increase Canada's chances of medaling in both events due to fatigue factor (which I don't buy) but it is fundamentally wrong. If you win the Trials and the Mixed Doubles, good for you and have at er in both.

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That participation rule makes no sense at all. Matt Hamilton did double duty last time around and won a gold medal in the second event, which is the one you’re worried about in terms of exhaustion. Other countries saw this and have dropped their own rules against it. I don’t know why Canada didn’t, and now it’s biting them on the backside.
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The situation clearly points out the lack of leadership at Curling Canada. Time for Henderson to step down and take 20 of the overpaid/underworked minions with her. Getting a job at Curling Canada seems to be a reward for players like Marc Kennedy.

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'Some or a bunch of curlers apparently have tested positive'. scottb

In other sports such as hockey, football, baseball, tennis etc., the names of the individuals who have been affected by Covid-19 are usually divulged to the public as soon as possible.

So.... why is it that when Curling Canada cancels an event 'due to an increase in the number of athletes testing positive', they never divulge the actual numbers or names of the athletes involved? Also, how come the athletes themselves refuse to admit to the general public they have been affected?

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So.... why is it that when Curling Canada cancels an event 'due to an increase in the number of athletes testing positive', they never divulge the actual numbers or names of the athletes involved? Also, how come the athletes themselves refuse to admit to the general public they have been affected?


These are not professionals making millions of dollars and it's a much better world when we don't take participation in amateur sport to be a free ticket to invade every facet of their life? More details such as number, etc. would be reasonable to ask about but the who doesn't really matter.

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These are not professionals making millions of dollars and it's a much better world when we don't take participation in amateur sport to be a free ticket to invade every facet of their life? More details such as number, etc. would be reasonable to ask about but the who doesn't really matter.



Curling Canada gets a lot of money from the Canadian taxpayer. Does it not sound reasonable to you that there should be accountability from the CC?

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Wtf???
We can have 40 international hockey players on the ice at the same time in alberta. But, we can’t have 4 curlers on one sheet of ice in Manitoba????
Something wrong with this picture.


I agree. Cancelling was a terrible decision.

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Curling Canada gets a lot of money from the Canadian taxpayer. Does it not sound reasonable to you that there should be accountability from the CC?



I'm not sure I understand what your question has to do with my response. What does not naming people have to do with accountability? Why wouldn't more information on numbers, etc. be accountability? What does naming private citizens have to do with your tax dollars?

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Wow. CBC story by Miles Dichter is pushing for Homan/Morris to rep at Olympics.
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The Canadian mixed doubles Olympic trials were scheduled to begin tomorrow in Manitoba. Instead, the bonspiel to determine Canada's representatives in Beijing was cancelled due to positive cases among the athletes. Mixed doubles, a two-person, eight-end version of the traditional sport, made its Olympic debut in 2018 when Canada's Kaitlyn Lawes and John Morris won gold. Thanks to Lawes' inclusion in the already Olympic-bound Jennifer Jones rink, the duo wasn't going to compete together for a repeat, with Morris instead teaming up with fellow 2018 Olympian Rachel Homan. The pair may prove to be a good candidate for the Olympic selection that will now be jointly made by Curling Canada, Own The Podium and the Canadian Olympic Committee."
Here is the link: https://www.cbc.ca/sports/the-buzze...roach-1.6298951
Does he know something we don't know or is this speculation?

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'Some or a bunch of curlers apparently have tested positive'. scottb

In other sports such as hockey, football, baseball, tennis etc., the names of the individuals who have been affected by Covid-19 are usually divulged to the public as soon as possible.

So.... why is it that when Curling Canada cancels an event 'due to an increase in the number of athletes testing positive', they never divulge the actual numbers or names of the athletes involved? Also, how come the athletes themselves refuse to admit to the general public they have been affected?



Curling teams are generally private entities, and there's such a thing as medical privacy. If they chose to disclose if they're positive is up to them.

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What about Tucks? Are they included in the 3 positives? Very hard to say can't name positives and then pick a team for Olympics. it will be especially hard if the selection competition was called off and then a team that would have been disqualified is selected.

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'Some or a bunch of curlers apparently have tested positive'. scottb

In other sports such as hockey, football, baseball, tennis etc., the names of the individuals who have been affected by Covid-19 are usually divulged to the public as soon as possible.

So.... why is it that when Curling Canada cancels an event 'due to an increase in the number of athletes testing positive', they never divulge the actual numbers or names of the athletes involved? Also, how come the athletes themselves refuse to admit to the general public they have been affected?



No sport puts out names without player consent. It violates all kinds of rules. Many times PRO players don't care cause it doesn't affect them in the end.

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Curling Canada gets a lot of money from the Canadian taxpayer. Does it not sound reasonable to you that there should be accountability from the CC?



All the accounting is public record on their website.

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Curling Canada gets a lot of money from the Canadian taxpayer. Does it not sound reasonable to you that there should be accountability from the CC?



If they didn’t want to name the curlers fine, but give numbers at least. Was it 3? 10?

There is a mixed doubles tournament taking place in Sweden at the moment. This should not have been cancelled. Those who tested positive for Covid oh well, you have to drop out. Manitoba didn’t want it? Move it to Ontario or Alberta. Saville Centre in Edmonton would have been good.

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...There is a mixed doubles tournament taking place in Sweden at the moment. This should not have been cancelled. Those who tested positive for Covid oh well, you have to drop out. Manitoba didn’t want it? Move it to Ontario or Alberta. Saville Centre in Edmonton would have been good.



You assume the issue is simply players. What you do not know, and I do not know as well, is if there was an issue with staff, who are primarily volunteers. Did they have enough officials, timers, and ice makers who would potentially risk themselves in an environment that some (maybe not you but some) might consider risky.

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