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02-27-22 06:56AM
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Saskatchewan Juniors 2022

I've been watching curling since the early 70s, but 95% of it has been at the highest levels. Brier, Scotties, WC, Grand Slams, etc.

I've just spent the past week watching the excellent YouTube coverage of the junior men's and women's Saskatchewan provincials. As good as the video and commentary was, the curling itself was of a lower quality than I expected. especially on the women's side.

I was shocked to see multiple wide open misses on hits per game and the general strategic knowledge among the skips was very poor. And I really hated the new rule where coaches stood 10 feet from the action and intervened multiple times per end. And often the coaches suggestions were fine for an elite adult team, but just weren't optimal for a game where the overall average percentages were maybe 50-60%. Maybe I was just expecting too much and the main issue was that the ice was ultra quick and swingy. Hopefully the one undefeated team wins the final today. They definitely deserve it.

The junior men's was generally a lot better, but even there I saw a few complete misses on open hits and draws sail through the house. Two good teams will meet in today's final.

Big kudos to Susan Lang and Shawn Joyce for their coverage of provincial men's, women's and now juniors. Very knowledgeable and they don't talk too much. I just wish they had been a bit more brutally honest with some of bad strategy, shotmaking, and coaching at the juniors. Also a very nice HD stream that never lagged. Far superior to what other provinces have done with their coverage.

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Re: Saskatchewan Juniors 2022

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[B And I really hated the new rule where coaches stood 10 feet from the action and intervened multiple times per end. [/B]


Is this just a Sask thing? A Canadian junior thing? I would hate to see this gain traction.

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If Ontario streams their juniors, I’ll try to watch & see if this is a trend. I certainly hope not.

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It wasn't a thing at the Ontario U21 in November.

For U15s this kind of thing may have some value, but after that it's time to let the birds leave the nest...

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Is this just a Sask thing? A Canadian junior thing? I would hate to see this gain traction.




I tuned into the girls first end just to see. I couldn’t believe it when I saw the coaches out ON the ice at the far end, standing behind the hack. It was explained that 2 interventions per end so up to 20 times the coach can tell them what to do. No time outs obviously and the clock still runs. They said it started 2 years ago. I’ve never seen this before anywhere. Must be a sask thing. She said it was great to help them learn the strategy of the game quicker. I disagree. How will you ever learn to the think on your own if 20 times a game the coach is chirping in the background? Learn from your own mistakes, sit down after the game and discuss what may have been better options. And, who’s to say the coach will be right 20/20 times, especially in junior. I don’t get it. Maybe for Little Rock’s and social learn to curl nights, that’s it.

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I tuned into the girls first end just to see. I couldn’t believe it when I saw the coaches out ON the ice at the far end, standing behind the hack. It was explained that 2 interventions per end so up to 20 times the coach can tell them what to do. No time outs obviously and the clock still runs. They said it started 2 years ago. I’ve never seen this before anywhere. Must be a sask thing. She said it was great to help them learn the strategy of the game quicker. I disagree. How will you ever learn to the think on your own if 20 times a game the coach is chirping in the background? Learn from your own mistakes, sit down after the game and discuss what may have been better options. And, who’s to say the coach will be right 20/20 times, especially in junior. I don’t get it. Maybe for Little Rock’s and social learn to curl nights, that’s it.



Yah who on earth thought this would be a good idea? Give the kids some credit, they can think for themselves. Having a coach right there spoon feeding them (and as you say the coach may not necessarily be right, especially in juniors where the coach is often the parent of a player) isn't going to make them better decision makers. In fact it may make them worse as every tough decision they will just turn around and ask the coach instead of discussing the situation and arriving at a team decision. If I was in a junior league and there were a couple adults out there hovering it wouldn't make the game more attractive to me.

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It got to the point where a skip would call a shot, and wait for a second or two for a possible intervention before continuing playing. The players were laughing about it.

And in many cases the shots the players were calling were not obviously wrong. I can't believe having a system like this is good for the long term benefit of curlers in their late teens. 18 and 19 year olds should be allowed to play without their dad/coach looking over their shoulder.

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It's called the Enhanced Coach Interaction in Alberta https://curlingalberta.ca/wp-conten...nt-Revision.pdf

The NWT has implemented a version where the coaches can speak to their respective teams for up to one minute in between each end.

If used correctly by experienced coaches it can greatly enhance the development of strategy for skips.

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