Time for 8 ends at Playdowns – CurlingZone

Time for 8 ends at Playdowns

Monday 19th, January 2015 / 17:32 Written by

Are we setting up clubs to fail? – Gerry Geurts, CurlingZone/Ontario Curling Tour

Another year and another long list of complaining on the Ontario Curling forums about ice conditions at the playdowns which saw Glenn Howard getting knocked out of contention, losing 2 at Regions and then going 0-2 at the Challenge Round to miss the provincials for the first time since the 2003 boycott year.

While getting into whether Howard “deserved better” is for another blog, my concerns are more about playable ice conditions and that curling clubs and icemakers are being put up to an impossible standard as their facilities and the icemaker’s processes are not set up for 12-14 ends of competitive ice.

When you consider that teams get 7 minutes of practice time to learn the ice, you’ll see them throw up and back, twice or more, putting at least 2 ends of play onto the ice before the game even starts. Add in a possible extra end and curling clubs are facing the burden of trying to make ice conditions that need to hold up for DOUBLE the normal club play when you factor in the increased sweeping prowess of these great young teams.

Because of this, we’ve seen problems at clubs that cause randomized conditions that don’t allow the club and icemakers to fully showcase their abilities. The icemakers are forced to tinker and experiment with their tempatures to try and hold up to the conditions and that can often sacrifice curl and speed that these players desire.

Reports out of Gravenhurst was that the icemaker was in consultation with the OCA Ice Team and trying to get more curl on his ice, thus he raised the temperature to get a little more swing, but this also pushes the limit of how long the ice will hold up and in the Region 3 playdowns the reports were that the teams had to deal with a lot of picks.These picks will happen because the ice is softer/warmer and will wear down faster leaving flat spots with no pebble left on the ice, causing the rocks to “pick”.

At the Challenge Round on the weekend, conditions in Bradford were reported to be 3-3.5 feet of curl and teams were looking forward to the opportunity to play on better ice. The end result though was that it seems the icemaker turned his temperature down to allow the ice to withstand the punishment of 12-14 ends of curling, with the result being less curl and disappointed teams.

This is certainly no fault of the ice crews as they’re doing the best they can and reaching out for help. The problem is that we’re expecting them to work miracles with an event format they will rarely see in their club.

The solution: 2 up and 2 back in practice, limit the time to 7 minutes but don’t make it a rush to throw as many stones. Another practice that should be implemented is requiring teams to throw their draw to button, which has been tested in Ontario Curling Tour events and is now used in the Grand Slams as well.

Go to 8 ends for Zone and Regional play and then when you get to Provincials we go back to 10 ends. It will make for better conditions to play on for the preliminary levels of the game, and give the curlers the consistency they desire.

While 4 feet of curl and 25 second ice is great to have at all levels, I believe that all curlers really want is to be able to confidently draw the button in the Final end of their curling game.

3 comments on “Time for 8 ends at Playdowns”

  1. wayne tuck says:

    Gerry….pretty sure its not just Howard that deserved better….I think all the teams did. As far as going to 8 ends for zones and regions then back to 10 for provincials I would have to disagree. The strategy is different between an 8 and 10 end game. In 8 ends you don’t have time to screw up….with 10 you have more time to make up your mistakes. I think the big issue here is communication between the club hosting a zone or regional and the OCA. I had a lengthy discussion with the OCA after regionals about ice conditions. Gravenhurst was brought up….but they did everything right. The OCA contacted to the club to do a site visit….the club got back to the OCA with a time and date. The OCA ice team went to Gravenhurst….did the evaluation and made the recommendation to sand the rocks. The board didn’t want to sand the rocks which is their choice. You can’t force a club to sand their stones….its a pretty big investment. Here’s what boggles my mind and what I think the problem is….the OCA does over 120 zones/regions/provincials a year for every event on the OCA poster. The OCA contacts each club for a site evaluation….do you know how many call backs from the clubs they got last year….15! Clubs are not taking advantage of the free service provided by the OCA and OCA Ice Team. I believe its one of 2 reasons….either the message to the club isn’t reaching the board/ice maker or the ice maker thinks their ice is good enough and doesn’t want/need the help. I think this is where the problem is Gerry….the communication between the club and the OCA. The OCA is doing their part….its up to the clubs to do what they can as well. From what I was told….the Ice Team contacted our regional club 10 times before Christmas…but got no response back. The OCA shouldn’t have to force themselves in the door….its free service…..clubs should take advantage of it. Just my 2 cents.

  2. Bill Rothwell says:

    Don’t agree at all. Why should the Province change just because Howard could not handle the ice. Maybe he and his team were simply out curled. Maybe time everyone realized he is not what he used to be. In great ice conditions he has not performed well this year either. has missed what we would all call “routine” shots to lose games.

  3. Ian Tetley says:

    OCA host clubs donate their ice for zones, regions and challenge rounds. The OCA cannot demand any club alter their rocks or playing conditions. They are at the mercy of the clubs for their ice time.
    Yes in a perfect world, you would think that they should be demanding better ice conditions. I think its time we all woke up and smelt the coffee. Curling clubs in rural Ontario are barely surviving. We need to make sure that any OCA event that the club is relinquishing their for is fully capitalized on. In other words we cannot have 2 teams show up for a zone event that they club has booked their ice for all weekend.

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