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This is directly from the 2012 minutes of the meeting where the relegation system was passed. I bring your attention to the wording WITHOUT OBTAINING PRIOR APPROVAL. How in the world did any of the member associations and CCA board in good conscience let this pass? This gave them the ability to make any changes or even cancel any of the national championships. I don't think they realize what they've done, or worse, they do. The CCA can now do anything they want to these championships and nothing can be done to stop them, other than actually putting it to a vote, for which they've just given themselves the power not to.


REQUEST FOR WAIVER OF NOTICE: NCC 2012.01
Moved by Resby Coutts (CurlManitoba), seconded by Jim Mann (Curl BC), that a waiver be
granted to bring forward a Notice for Consideration to amend the wording of EL-11 (6) and
EL-11 (7).

GRANTED


NOTICE FOR CONSIDERATION #1: AMENDMENT TO EL-11
Moved by Collin Griffith (ACF), seconded by Jim Mann (Curl BC) that the CCA Board of
Governors be directed to cause a change to EL-11 (6) and EL-11 (7) of the Policy Registry so that
it reads:
(6) Allow fundamental changes to the round robin format or equitable opportunity to access
CCA-operated Canadian Championships without obtaining prior Member Association and
Board approval following consultation with the Member Associations.
(7) Allow the introduction of any new CCA-operated Canadian Championship or the removal of
any of the below listed Canadian Championships without obtaining prior Member Association
and Board approval following consultation with the Member Associations.
*Canadian Sr. Men’s and Women’s Championship *Canadian Mixed Championship
*Canadian Jr. Men’s and Women’s Championship *Canadian Men’s Championship
*Canadian Women’s Championship *Canadian Wheelchair Championship

CARRIED



And here is who we all can thank. Would they please all step forward and take a bow.



Roy Hodder (NF and Labrador) Tom Birchall (Nova Scotia)
Gary Oke (NF and Labrador) Kim Taylor (Nova Scotia)
George Koke (Prince Edward Island) Jean Lamère (Quebec)
Shirley Lank (Prince Edward Island) François Vary (Quebec)
Yves Maillet (New Brunswick) Muriel Anderson (Northern Ontario)
Anna Brinson (New Brunswick) Stephen Chenier (Northern Ontario)
Jack Buttery (Ontario) Barry Whitehouse (Saskatchewan)
Joan O’Leary (Ontario) Brian Hill (Saskatchewan)
Roy Van Kommer (Manitoba) Terry Vandale (British Columbia)
Resby Coutts (Manitoba) Jim Mann (British Columbia)
Dan Kleinschroth (Alberta) Wade Scoffin (Yukon)
Colin Griffith (Alberta) Linden Mattie (Yukon)
Maureen Miller (Northwest Territories)
Robert Borden (Northwest Territories) Absent: Voting Delegates for Nunavut

CCA Board

Laura Lochanski (Chair) Marilyn Neily, Governor
Mitch Tarapasky (Vice Chair) Hugh Avery, Governor
Elaine de Ryk, Governor Cindy Maddock, Governor
Ron Hutton, Governor Bob Osborne, Governor
Bernadette McIntyre, Governor

Observers

Shane Ray (CurlManitoba) Amber Holland (SCA)
Doug Bakes (OCA) Leslie Kerr (NOCA)
Joanne Pomalis (OCA) Dwayne Fowler (Curling Quebec)
Marco Ferraro (Curling Quebec) Ian McGillis (OCA)
Don Isaman (ACF) Mike Carson (Masters Committee)
Graham Prouse (WCF) Amy Duncan (PEICA)
Chris Pasterfield (Laurie Artiss) Marg Maranda (NBCA)
Barry Taman (Laurie Artiss) Darryl Hunt (NACA)
Scott Braley (Curl BC) Dixie Blackmore (NACA)
Tom Sinclair (OCA) Jim Dang (SACA)
Jeannette Hodder (NLCA) Christine Birchall (NSCA)
Shirley Osborne (NSCA) Jeremiah Anderson (NSCA)
Ian Dalling (Sport Canada) Terry Begin (Governor Generals CC)
Victor Lachance (Parliamentarian)

CCA Staff
Greg Stremlaw Pat Ray Warren Hansen Karen Wan
Karen Ryan Gerry Peckham Rachel Delaney Paul Noble
Rachel Delaney Danny Lamoureux Louise Delorme JoAnne Viau
Glenn van Gulik Brennan Schnell Claudette Smith

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Thanks very much for posting this. It raises some very interesting questions.

For instance: Why would anyone ask for permission to do certain things "without prior approval" unless he [a] already had a desire to do such things? and [b] knew what would happen if he explicitly requested approval to do them?

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The other question might be, how can this group knowingly relinquish any and all ability to hold accountability to the people that are SUPPOSED to have the best interests of the curling members in Canada, not their own, at heart? This whole situation doesn't sit right with me. Something is going on that that rest of us are not privy to. I'm quite sure once all the dust has settled, everyone will be accounted for and the truth will come out. I just hope sooner than later.

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Why would they vote for something so ... [fill in the blank]?

I wouldn't rule out coercion.

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Good thing there is a world mixed championship now or the Canadian mixed could easily have been axed. Yet in OCA zone play that was the only competition that had lots of entries.

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Originally posted by IN-OFF-FOR-2
The other question might be, how can this group knowingly relinquish any and all ability to hold accountability to the people that are SUPPOSED to have the best interests of the curling members in Canada, not their own, at heart? This whole situation doesn't sit right with me. Something is going on that that rest of us are not privy to. I'm quite sure once all the dust has settled, everyone will be accounted for and the truth will come out. I just hope sooner than later.

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NGM, you are right on the mark. This was to ensure that the CCA as it was known then would NOT Do these things. Specific and clear executive limitations. So the question now begs to be stated - is the CCA or CC adhering to those executive limitations with the actions that they have done leading to the changes this year seen at the Scotties and Brier.

As I had stated in other posts, CCA was fully prepared to have relegation for all the championships. Many of the MA's have been trying to not have this happen, while at the same time making all the national championships inclusive for all of the MA's to participate in. A real clash between operational requirements/opinions and governance. Relegation has proven no benefit at mixed and seniors and no longer is used. Lets hope that the same happens for these two events.

We have to remember that the MA's don't do the operational side, but are the owners. If the owners don't like how the business is being run, then they need to make changes. That, however is not that simple when the MA's are all volunteers who have regular turnover, while the operational are employees and have significant tenure.

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I apologize for believing something that was not true.

And I will try not to make the same mistake again.

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