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04-12-17 02:37PM |
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prairie guy
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quote: Originally posted by prairie guy
I'm confused about the end of the Laycock - Epping game. The line score shows the 8th was blanked but the detail has Laycock laying 3 after 16 rocks. Can anyone clarify who won that game??
I see it has just been changed to Laycock winning 2 seconds after I posted this
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04-12-17 03:33PM |
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Stoner
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So I got Epping and Morris wrong. Tonight's picks: Jacobs, Gushue, Koe and Carruthers.
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04-12-17 10:55PM |
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On The Nose
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 2017 Players' Championship
quote: Originally posted by Three
Wow, if you think tennis and golf tours have any relation to how the curling tour works I think you are forgetting about the money. You are bang on about tennis/golf where the guy WAY WAY WAY down on the money list is still pulling in more than a million a year. In curling (after the Brier/Scotties) the Grand Slam titles have the biggest prizes (100k purse) and actually more OOM points available. Eyeballs on jerseys is how the teams sell spots on their jersey's. The more times they are on television the more than can try to charge a sponsor. A team like Scheidegger made their entire season by winning a Slam. Granted not all the best teams even tour (McCarville/Menard) but for those that do tour winning a Slam helps the coffers greatly. It is easy to dismiss the Grand Slam series as something the players don't care about but I believe you are wrong. The fact that almost all the invitations are accepted to the Slams tells me that teams care about either the money/points/exposure. I can absolutely guarantee laycock/morris are very keen on doing well to try to get into the ROTR directly (as is Fleury). The teams sponsored by their national sporting bodies probably don't care as much about the Slams (they often are the ones declining invitations) but for the ones that take time off their real jobs to attend they care, for the ones that are "professinoal curlers" they also care greatly.
I for one think the quality of play of an average Slam game is higher than that of an average Brier/Scotties game. When there are no bottom feeding provinces/territories around each win is that much more critical. Playing only 8 ends makes the game faster and the five rock rule is great.
I think you're right about the sponsorship/exposure - the Grand Slam series does help sponsors get exposure, and so, as an inherent by-product, it helps teams get sponsors.
But you really can't compare the intensity and passion of the Brier/Scotties to the Grand Slam tournaments. That's what I meant in my comparison to tennis and golf.
I see the Grand Slams as an exhibition... similar in some ways to the Continental Cup in terms of importance. Sure, the players enjoy it because the atmosphere is more loose and relaxed than the Brier/Scotties, Worlds, or Olympics. And it's more relaxed because there is far less pressure (and so, much less intensity) in the Grand Slams than in those other tournaments. They can win some money and get some points in the Grand Slams... but there is far more intensity and passion at the Brier/Scotties/Worlds/Olympics than at the Grand Slams.
I still believe that the primary reason for the existence of the Grand Slam series is to make money for Sportsnet (and Pintys). The motivation for the players to play the Grand Slam series is money and points. Rogers (Sportsnet) clearly views it as a significant money making venture - and since they acquired it, they've messed around with the format, introducing new tournaments, tried novelties like Homan playing against the men, etc. This is far more like an experimental exhibition series than it is like pure curling.
Whereas the primary reason for the existence of the Brier/Scotties and the Worlds is tradition, the pride of representing your province/country, the pride of competing well.
Curling in the Olympics is still relatively new, and so there isn't the tradition of curling - but there is obviously the tradition and prestige of the Olympics (although the Olympics are definitely becoming more and more commercialized)... and there is the pride of representing your country, and of competing well.
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04-13-17 02:23AM |
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ellejay
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..whoa!..McEwen takes down koe 8-1, early handshakes..
..nice to see mike and the boys getting it together.
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04-13-17 03:15AM |
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Stoner
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quote: Originally posted by ellejay
..whoa!..McEwen takes down koe 8-1, early handshakes..
..nice to see mike and the boys getting it together.
Yes, I must say that was a bit of a surprise, Koe usually wins their meetings.
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04-13-17 03:28AM |
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Stoner
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So as far as my picks go I got all the women right last night, the men are proving more difficult with Bottcher getting a big win over Carruthers and Koe losing to McEwen. Form the earlier draw I thought Morris would beat Koe as he had won their last few, Lacock beating Epping wasn't much of a surprise, thought it would be close, I just gave Epping the edge.
Tomorrow morning's womens picks: Jones, Sweeting, Hasselborg, Tirinzoni, Flaxey.
Mens picks: Epping, McEwen, Gushue, Bottcher.
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04-14-17 06:30PM |
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Stoner
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Ok, really sucks the site's been down most of the time.
Here are tonight's picks from me, women: Sigfridsson, Sweeting and Homan.
Men's TB: Carruthers.
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04-14-17 07:07PM |
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Netz
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quote: Originally posted by Manitoba Legend
Sweeting - who seems to be regaining her form (how many times have I said that?) should be able to subdue Jones tonite on the televised game!
Not in Ontario, have to suffer through hockey or the Jays. Oh well, the LPGA is on so we will go there.
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04-14-17 07:20PM |
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Deliverer
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Watched the last 4 ends of the Jones/Hasselborg mstch on
Friday afternoon.
Dumb & Dumber is definitely an apt description.
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04-14-17 07:36PM |
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nelski
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Is that Carruthers Laycock game a tiebreaker to see who gets the last of 8 spots into round 2?
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04-15-17 12:30PM |
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guido
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Why is Flaxey in a tie breaker? Should it not be Hasselborg and Muirhead???
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04-15-17 12:41PM |
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Stoner
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quote: Originally posted by Manitoba Legend
Sweeting - who seems to be regaining her form (how many times have I said that?) should be able to subdue Jones tonite on the televised game!
Both teams have made playoff round - so I suspect Jones will be playing the draw vs. tonite's opponent. Anything to avoid facing Homan in the QFs.
Obviously the biggest shocker is Michelle Englot going 0-5 in this event. All her players seem to be at the bottom of the percentage pool. 2nd Leslie Wilson is 9th, Kate Cameron is 7th at 3rd. Englot might be worst or second worst at skips percentage.
I suspect Michelle has been off-ice since their amazing performance at the STOH were they toppled mighty Homan 2 out of 3 times with some superb shot-making.
So I'd discount the off-form a bit. Still think this team will stick together next season - for Olympic trials, cash circuit, Manitoba Scotties and STOH auto-berth if Homan takes the duke at the Olympic Trials.
It's still great for Englot at 53 to finally break through, don't see many women at that age still at it, looks like they won't be at the champioms cup, but they do have a shot at the Olympic trials, if not they could be team Canada at next year's TOH.
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04-15-17 12:46PM |
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Stoner
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I would've liked to have made my TB picks for this morning's games, but was not able to.
Here are my playoff picks so far, Women: Tirinzoni, Homan, Muirhead.
Men: Jacobs, De Cruz, Koe.
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04-15-17 12:51PM |
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Stoner
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quote: Originally posted by guido
Why is Flaxey in a tie breaker? Should it not be Hasselborg and Muirhead???
No, Eve placed higher.
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04-15-17 01:18PM |
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Stoner
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ML, Jones could not avoid Eve though, she can very well lose that.
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04-15-17 01:31PM |
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Stoner
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Carruthers on fire right now smashing Morris 9-5.
Hasselborg eeked out an EE 5-4 win, still a decent showing from Flaxey.
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04-15-17 01:42PM |
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Stoner
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Remaining QF picks, women: Hasselborg, I know Fleury's done well here including a win over this team, but I don't think it will happen again as Hasselborg are a better team usually and this is a bigger game.
Men: Carruthers, McEwen just does not do well vs them.
As for my other picks, Tirinzoni is a better team and has a better HTH, Jones is a better team than Eve, but Eve tends to win these games, Homan well, best team in the world and dominates Val.
Smith's put in a good showing including a win over Jacobs, but Jacobs is too good for it to happen twice I think, the stakes are higher this time, looks like Gushue has finally hit a wall, Koe should take them down again to make up for the Brier defeats, these are pretty much must watch games when they meet, I've gone De Cruz cause lately Edin's either been losing or barely scraping by.
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04-16-17 09:43AM |
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misty1
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great results for smith, beating jacobs twice. think we'll have a mcewen/edin final
on the womens side i think it'll be jones/sweeting
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04-16-17 09:53AM |
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Netz
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Any ideas on what game will be shown at 11:00, I hope they do not do that switching all over the place thing, would rather watch one game to follow the continuity of it.
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04-16-17 10:20AM |
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biterbar
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quote: Originally posted by Stoner
Remaining QF picks, women: Hasselborg, I know Fleury's done well here including a win over this team, but I don't think it will happen again as Hasselborg are a better team usually and this is a bigger game.
Men: Carruthers, McEwen just does not do well vs them.
As for my other picks, Tirinzoni is a better team and has a better HTH, Jones is a better team than Eve, but Eve tends to win these games, Homan well, best team in the world and dominates Val.
Smith's put in a good showing including a win over Jacobs, but Jacobs is too good for it to happen twice I think, the stakes are higher this time, looks like Gushue has finally hit a wall, Koe should take them down again to make up for the Brier defeats, these are pretty much must watch games when they meet, I've gone De Cruz cause lately Edin's either been losing or barely scraping by.
I'm making a fortune betting against Stoner's picks. Missed 6 of 8 in the quarters? Time to hang it up.
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04-16-17 10:23AM |
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prairie guy
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quote: Originally posted by Netz
Any ideas on what game will be shown at 11:00, I hope they do not do that switching all over the place thing, would rather watch one game to follow the continuity of it.
I imagine they will switch around again and I'm not a fan of it either. After watching most of the 2 draws yesterday, I really liked the first draw better when they concentrated on one game. You can still get highlights from other games when they do this. However, for the upcoming draw with both men and women playing the same time they probably don't want to pick one game. Therefore, I wish they would only do this for when the semis are played the same time by both men and women. Or just pick one game and go with it....
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04-16-17 07:11PM |
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Stoner
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quote: Originally posted by biterbar
I'm making a fortune betting against Stoner's picks. Missed 6 of 8 in the quarters? Time to hang it up.
Ok, nice one, you haven't even made any picks, so you should probably keep quiet.
I should also mention I have the highest picking % of anyone in the top 40 on Fantasy Pickem at 73, it's not like those Men's QF picks were easy, or the Men's games this week in general, for some reason the Women are easier to pick, I'm also the 4th best picker this week, so I'm actually doing quite well all things considered, but hey, go ahead and take another shot without a leg to stand on.
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04-16-17 08:07PM |
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guido
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quote: Originally posted by Stoner
No, Eve placed higher.
Flaxey was 2-3 in the "A"
Muirhead and Hasselborg were 2-3 in the "B"
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04-16-17 08:10PM |
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Stoner
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Jones doing fairly well so far, she knows how to close these, whereas we know how good Val is at finishing 2nd, though this is only there 2nd final this season, they did win the other, but did not have to face Homan or Jones to win.
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04-16-17 08:12PM |
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Stoner
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quote: Originally posted by guido
Flaxey was 2-3 in the "A"
Muirhead and Hasselborg were 2-3 in the "B"
Yes, but they had a way of knowing who was the better 2-3.
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04-16-17 08:14PM |
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Stoner
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quote: Originally posted by Manitoba Legend
Jones should have bagged Val for a quad in 3 - but JJ is no longer able to hit the broom on command - plus she throws a Johnny Mo smoker when heavy hack woulda done the job!
An amazing team crippled by poor ice-reading and a gradually deteriorating skip. Kaitlyn Lovely missing a ton of shots, too!
Maybe, but Val is still doing worse.
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04-16-17 08:31PM |
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Three
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quote: Originally posted by Stoner
Yes, but they had a way of knowing who was the better 2-3.
A better guess is they decide the best 2-3 team looking at the Draw to the Button averages. Gerry?
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04-16-17 08:38PM |
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Stoner
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Tough shot there for Jones, was maybe fortunate it was only a steal of 1.
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04-16-17 09:19PM |
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Stoner
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Congrats to Jones. Pretty much every last shot I've seen this week has been a miss though.
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04-16-17 09:33PM |
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Ajay
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Isn't it crazy how the team that continues to be maligned as declining in shotmaking is the champion and the team that they were ready to rename the facility for for winning her fourth title was not there in the end. Congrats Jen and crew.
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04-16-17 10:09PM |
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guido
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quote: Originally posted by Three
A better guess is they decide the best 2-3 team looking at the Draw to the Button averages. Gerry?
I could see that within pools. But teams from different pools in a tiebreaker makes zero sense.
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04-16-17 10:19PM |
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Stoner
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quote: Originally posted by Manitoba Legend
This even pretty much confirmed Homan, Jones & Sweeting are still the BIG 3 in Canada.
Homan is still ascending - based on her world championship form I think neither Val nor Jennifer will be able to stand up to her come Olympic Trial time. But that's why they still play the games!
Couldn't believe some of the calls by either skipper tonite - Jones was virtually handed the title by an out-of-sorts Valerie Sweeting. Could just as easily have been JJ.
Never know how much Ali Flaxey will improve by next year's trials. Also Casey Schiedegger.
Tracy Fleury, Einarson, Julie Tippen, Harrison, Krista McCarville should be main contenders for the last 2 entries 2 the Trials.
Not to mention can Carey rebound from a pretty off season. Can't forget Rocque, Middaugh and Kleibrink too.
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04-17-17 09:00AM |
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drawthepin
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quote: Originally posted by guido
I could see that within pools. But teams from different pools in a tiebreaker makes zero sense.
Top 8 teams make the playoffs, ties are broken using the LSA and a minimum number of tiebreak games.
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04-17-17 01:13PM |
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Stoner
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Carey could keep falling and might not even get a spot at the trials when all is said and done, I think Fleury could very well overtake them in the 2 year, if they do not should still make it in pre-trials, Middaugh has had a strong season, they could maybe be a bit of a surprise and grab the a spot, Harrison and Tippin have also had good seasons and are probably contenders for a spot.
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04-17-17 02:06PM |
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Donr
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quote: Originally posted by Stoner
Carey could keep falling and might not even get a spot at the trials when all is said and done, I think Fleury could very well overtake them in the 2 year, if they do not should still make it in pre-trials, Middaugh has had a strong season, they could maybe be a bit of a surprise and grab the a spot, Harrison and Tippin have also had good seasons and are probably contenders for a spot.
Carey is in...........all 6 spots are filled the 2 remaining spots will be filled at the Road to the Roar....
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04-17-17 02:08PM |
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Stoner
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quote: Originally posted by Donr
Carey is in...........all 6 spots are filled the 2 remaining spots will be filled at the Road to the Roar....
No, the 2 year spot is still up for grabs next season.
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04-17-17 06:36PM |
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Three
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quote: Originally posted by Stoner
No, the 2 year spot is still up for grabs next season.
No the two year slot is done. Carey in and Fleury to Summerside.
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