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03-23-18 02:48PM
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According to this CZ tweet there is only one path to the playoffs for China:

https://twitter.com/CurlingZone/sta...222017769459712

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World Curling shows Pliskova skipping Czech in their finale against Japan. They must know they are in even at 6-6 no matter what anybody else does. Otherwise, why sit Kubeskova?

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World Curling shows Pliskova skipping Czech in their finale against Japan. They must know they are in even at 6-6 no matter what anybody else does. Otherwise, why sit Kubeskova?


She's under the weather with flu-like symptoms.

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Bad timing! Thanks.

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Again - Russians with questionable final (EE) strategy. You've gotta wonder.

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Where are the shootout scores posted?

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http://odf2.worldcurling.co/data/CUR_WWCC2018P/Women's_Teams/C76D~Draw_Shot_Challenge.pdf

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all stats here on the right side



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China in tough..U.S. in?

Seems like the only way for China to get the last spot is for all three of the following to happen...


China win, U.S win, Russia loses. Would result in Russia out I think.

In every other case they seem to be on the losing end of head-to-head or draw to the button results. In all cases U.S. and Czechs are in?

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Re: China in tough..U.S. in?

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Seems like the only way for China to get the last spot is for all three of the following to happen...


China win, U.S win, Russia loses. Would result in Russia out I think.

In every other case they seem to be on the losing end of head-to-head or draw to the button results. In all cases U.S. and Czechs are in?



Not such an impossible chain of events.
China, of course has to win their final game - that's a given.
USA over Canada is probably logical as Jones has gone into epic fail mode last couple games - despite being unbeaten she's been wallowing with many of her shots - same thing that happened early to middle part of season. She got off easy in the Scotties w/ Homan absent and Val Sweeting beginning her descent - Chelsea Carey wasn't great either - Einarson was the only obstacle and Einarson even gave JJ a run for her money in the STOH final.
Russia could easily be out - they've been up and down like yo-yo's - amazing for a few ends - then totally deplorable later game!

Hard to say whether Jones was sand-bagging . . . . she's unbeaten, after all - but the warts are coming out for all to see - and with her style of play it doesn't matter whether Jill, Dawn & Kaitlyn all go 90%+, Jones leaves everything to herself - she really doesn't have much of a chance if Hasselborg is on her normal hi-octane game - but I worry more about a let-down in JJ's semi-final - where her aim and weight control continue to desert her.

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Dual citizenship

All this talk about Sinclair and dual citizenship has me wondering if curling is like international hockey where once you declare and play for a country you can no longer play for the 2nd country. Example Brett Hull had to decide which country to represent at worlds and Olympics and once he picked the US he could not switch back.
Does anyone know if curling is the same?

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So - China misses the cut. USA vs Korea Czech Republic vs Russia. Right? Cda Swe in waiting.
Glad to see Czech Republic in the mix.

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So - China misses the cut. USA vs Korea Czech Republic vs Russia. Right? Cda Swe in waiting.
Glad to see Czech Republic in the mix.


The Czech team and coach are genuinely nice people - it's great to see them make this step.
If this team had the facilities and opportunities which are available to Canadian teams, they'd be a consistent world class team.

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Re: Dual citizenship

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All this talk about Sinclair and dual citizenship has me wondering if curling is like international hockey where once you declare and play for a country you can no longer play for the 2nd country. Example Brett Hull had to decide which country to represent at worlds and Olympics and once he picked the US he could not switch back.
Does anyone know if curling is the same?



I believe it's similar, yes.

I'm not sure if it's permanent for curling though. If I'm not mistaken, a person can play internationally for a different country (eventually), provided a minimum number of years have passed (something like 4-5) and they are a citizen (or at least a permanent resident, not sure if it has to be full citizenship) of said different country.

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I believe it's similar, yes.

I'm not sure if it's permanent for curling though. If I'm not mistaken, a person can play internationally for a different country (eventually), provided a minimum number of years have passed (something like 4-5) and they are a citizen (or at least a permanent resident, not sure if it has to be full citizenship) of said different country.



yeah, this issue was raised a number of years ago with alison kreviazuk when she moved to sweden and she was asked if she would ever play internationally for sweden.

i thought, at the time that it was said she only had to live in sweden for 2 years before she could if she wanted to. either im remembering wrong or it's been changed

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So - China misses the cut. USA vs Korea Czech Republic vs Russia. Right? Cda Swe in waiting.
Glad to see Czech Republic in the mix.



my big concern if china won was that the czech republic would get shut out. im glad they didn't. they are such a good young team and it's great to see them have this break though at a major championship.be great to see them make final 4 and maybe even grab a medal.

they have a great shot at it too in my opinion. sweden and canada might be out of their reach but they can beat any of the other teams there.

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Well, from this point on Jennifer is pretty much on auto-pilot. You now know what you get with Jones - a brilliant skip, wonderful curling mind, tremendous relationship with fans coast to coast and around the world - BUT a recent propensity to goof up at times (rock placement, strategy, over-aggressiveness, under-aggressiveness when nursing a slight lead, etc.)

The key stat for me is that if Jones percentages are higher than Kaitlyn then Jones wins those games.

When Kaitlyn is shooting lights out it seems Jones doesn't have the inner motivation - Kaitlyn is the big star and Jones is the grizzled & gnarled old vet calling the shots.

Last nite Kaitlyn was only high 70s vs. USA, Jones was 89%.

Unlike Colleen "Coco" Jones, Jennifer refuses attempting to tie up ends before her rocks come up. Colleen was great at using Kim Kelly's rocks as keepers, those that make it difficult for opponents to score.

Jones strategy is almost always based on her having shots (semi-tough to almost near impossible) with her final stones. There's no protection from her 3rd, based on her strategy the last 10 years or so. its all or nothing!

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Re: Dual citizenship

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All this talk about Sinclair and dual citizenship has me wondering if curling is like international hockey where once you declare and play for a country you can no longer play for the 2nd country. Example Brett Hull had to decide which country to represent at worlds and Olympics and once he picked the US he could not switch back.
Does anyone know if curling is the same?



Once you represent a country at the Worlds, you have to wait 2 years before representing another country. So should Sinclair choose to come back to Canada, she wouldn't be eligible to play for Canada until 2020.

There are some administrative processes players need to go through such as being released by the association, etc but I've never heard of a country holding that back.

In many countries, you just have to be a resident (not have citizenship) for two years to be eligible to playdown for Worlds. USA is among countries that require you to have citizenship. Olympics is different though as you need to have citizenship.

For example, Alexander Lindstrom played with Norway last year with Team Walstad and was eligible for Worlds as he is Swedish but lived in Norway for several years. He was not eligible for the Olympics though which was part of the reason he left the team this past season as they had a chance at representing Norway.

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Canada vs U.S.

Kind of surprised with this. Not that the U.S. won but that the 1st place team would be playing the winner of the 3v6 rather than the 4v5. In four team qualification it would have been 1v4 and 2v3 wouldn't it?

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Re: Re: Dual citizenship

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yeah, this issue was raised a number of years ago with alison kreviazuk when she moved to sweden and she was asked if she would ever play internationally for sweden.

i thought, at the time that it was said she only had to live in sweden for 2 years before she could if she wanted to. either im remembering wrong or it's been changed



Yeah, when Ali K moved was when I found out about how the rules worked. I thought it was a longer period of time for some reason.

Nope, you were right and I was wrong, it is only 2 years (see below).

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Once you represent a country at the Worlds, you have to wait 2 years before representing another country. So should Sinclair choose to come back to Canada, she wouldn't be eligible to play for Canada until 2020.

There are some administrative processes players need to go through such as being released by the association, etc but I've never heard of a country holding that back.

In many countries, you just have to be a resident (not have citizenship) for two years to be eligible to playdown for Worlds. USA is among countries that require you to have citizenship. Olympics is different though as you need to have citizenship.

For example, Alexander Lindstrom played with Norway last year with Team Walstad and was eligible for Worlds as he is Swedish but lived in Norway for several years. He was not eligible for the Olympics though which was part of the reason he left the team this past season as they had a chance at representing Norway.



Thanks for clearing things up Gerry!

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Kind of surprised with this. Not that the U.S. won but that the 1st place team would be playing the winner of the 3v6 rather than the 4v5. In four team qualification it would have been 1v4 and 2v3 wouldn't it?


The teams are reseeded for the semis. The first place team was always scheduled to play the lowest remaining seed in the semis.

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I *believe* it is a reseeded thing, so the #1 team gets the lowest remaining seed, and the #2 team gets the other one.

I am not 100% certain on that, however. I really should read up on that before I go work at Men's next week...not that it's my decision at all, but I wanna know what's going on

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here's the issue i have with this format:

even though it's unlikely that it will happen we could have 2 teams with 5 and 6 losses make the final while the 2 teams with 0 and 2 losses could win up playing for bronze.

i just really hate this 6 team playoff format. 6 losses with a chance to play for a medal is just stupid. it's nothing against the US or Czech republic but they never should have been playing today. i don't get why adding one team meant they had to revamp the entire system. top 4 should have stayed the same. now a team with 4 losses in the round robin is out yet a team with 6 losses in the USA is still going. i just don't think this is right

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FWIW, it’s exactly the same playoff format that the NFL uses to determine the conference champions.

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The playoff format was expanded at the same time as eliminating tiebreakers.

Having their country in the playoffs is a huge growth opportunity for the sport around the world as it has better cachet than being in a tiebreaker.

For the Czechs especially, making the playoff for the first time will be a big deal back home. USA into the playoffs as well and another appearance by Russia creates more media attention for the sport.

As for the knockout format, the IOC has chosen not to adopt the page system for the Olympics, so the move was to go back to the same format at the World Championship level.

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