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Never before seen footage- You are very pretty Ben

http://youtu.be/1CFkAK_H7xg

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Never before seen footage- You are very pretty Ben

http://youtu.be/1CFkAK_H7xg

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Boys:

It looks like Hodek and Clawson played a great on until Clawson cracked a big one in the 8th. Clawson gets Wisconsin next (I mistaken thought Falk was on the team) and Hodek plays Shortstop. Both teams playing against probable playoff contenders early. I wish I'd seen that game.

Girls:

First draw coming up. Minnesota 1 and Minnesota 2 get the center sheet and I'm very interested in that game. Cousins and Schroeder play on Sheet 5 and that's pretty interesting to me as well.

Steve Dubberstein is helping out with the webcast. If he's good, then I get the credit because I made him do some last year in Devils Lake. If he's bad, I don't get any of the blame because...well...because I'm Tuck and we all like Tuck and don't blame him for anything.

Stevie Dubbs, of course, is the father of the 3 Dubberstein girls. Like Secretariat and Wayne Anderson, Smiling Steve is one of our great damsires. (horse players are laughing at that one...the rest of you can indulge me)

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can anyone fill me in on what happened with dropkin in their second gamne?. they were up 5-2 and then suddenly the scoreboard changed to a bunch of x's and they have it marked down that they lost 1-0.

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Dropkin team changed their lineup for their game today vs Team Michigan, but failed to file a new lineup card.

I understand that rules are rules but also wonder why a line-up card even has to be one of the rules.

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Dropkin team changed their lineup for their game today vs Team Michigan, but failed to file a new lineup card.

I understand that rules are rules but also wonder why a line-up card even has to be one of the rules.

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Dropkin team changed their lineup for their game today vs Team Michigan, but failed to file a new lineup card.

I understand that rules are rules but also wonder why a line-up card even has to be one of the rules.

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Seems like something they should be familiar with doing. And it's not like this is a new rule or a hard one to follow. My team changed line ups at clubs a couple of times and no filing that card was easy....

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According to USCA Championship Rules:

A game team line-up form must be submitted to the Chief Umpire at least 15 minutes prior to the pre-game practice. The team delivery rotation, skip and vice-skip positions, alternate player, and coach are listed on the original team line-up form, and submitted to the Chief Umpire at the end of the team meeting. A game team line-up form must be submitted to the Chief Umpire at least 15 minutes prior to the pre-game practice. The team delivery rotation, skip and vice-skip positions, alternate player, and coach are listed on the original team line-up form, and submitted to the Chief Umpire at the end of the team meeting.

I did not find discussion of penalties for an incorrect form but I guess we now know that the penalty is.

So the punishment fits the crime.

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The penalty for playing out of rotation is part of the rules of curling. The section you are refering to is part of the event procedures.

R3. TEAMS
(a) A team is composed of four players. Each player delivers two stones, in consecutive order in
each end, while alternating with an opponent.
(b) A team declares its delivery rotation, and the skip and vice-skip positions, prior to the start of
a game and maintains that rotation and those positions throughout that game subject to
(d)(ii). A team that deliberately changes its delivery rotation during a game will forfeit the game,
unless it was done when bringing in an alternate player.

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According to USCA Championship Rules:

A game team line-up form must be submitted to the Chief Umpire at least 15 minutes prior to the pre-game practice. The team delivery rotation, skip and vice-skip positions, alternate player, and coach are listed on the original team line-up form, and submitted to the Chief Umpire at the end of the team meeting. A game team line-up form must be submitted to the Chief Umpire at least 15 minutes prior to the pre-game practice. The team delivery rotation, skip and vice-skip positions, alternate player, and coach are listed on the original team line-up form, and submitted to the Chief Umpire at the end of the team meeting.

I did not find discussion of penalties for an incorrect form but I guess we now know that the penalty is.

So the punishment fits the crime.

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Has anyone considered they took their loss in a game that wouldn't be that competitve so as to get their "1 loss" now they run the table and there will be no need to have any rematches or second games??? Just my thoughts- the HPP and these teams are pretty savvy and I wouldn't put anything past the team - Just alittle food for thought??

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The penalty for playing out of rotation is part of the rules of curling. The section you are refering to is part of the event procedures.

R3. TEAMS
(a) A team is composed of four players. Each player delivers two stones, in consecutive order in
each end, while alternating with an opponent.
(b) A team declares its delivery rotation, and the skip and vice-skip positions, prior to the start of
a game and maintains that rotation and those positions throughout that game subject to
(d)(ii). A team that deliberately changes its delivery rotation during a game will forfeit the game,
unless it was done when bringing in an alternate player.

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Boys:

It looks like Hodek and Clawson played a great on until Clawson cracked a big one in the 8th. Clawson gets Wisconsin next (I mistaken thought Falk was on the team) and Hodek plays Shortstop. Both teams playing against probable playoff contenders early. I wish I'd seen that game.

Girls:

First draw coming up. Minnesota 1 and Minnesota 2 get the center sheet and I'm very interested in that game. Cousins and Schroeder play on Sheet 5 and that's pretty interesting to me as well.

Steve Dubberstein is helping out with the webcast. If he's good, then I get the credit because I made him do some last year in Devils Lake. If he's bad, I don't get any of the blame because...well...because I'm Tuck and we all like Tuck and don't blame him for anything.

Stevie Dubbs, of course, is the father of the 3 Dubberstein girls. Like Secretariat and Wayne Anderson, Smiling Steve is one of our great damsires. (horse players are laughing at that one...the rest of you can indulge me)

Ben Tucker

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Has anyone considered they took their loss in a game that wouldn't be that competitve so as to get their "1 loss" now they run the table and there will be no need to have any rematches or second games??? Just my thoughts- the HPP and these teams are pretty savvy and I wouldn't put anything past the team - Just alittle food for thought??

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Just a thought... would you rather take your loss to a team that will not factor in or have to play the #2 team a second time???

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Just a thought... would you rather take your loss to a team that will not factor in or have to play the #2 team a second time???

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Just a thought... would you rather take your loss to a team that will not factor in or have to play the #2 team a second time???

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That is exactly the new rule that came out of last year! Our precious HPP team went undefeated and then lost. So a non-HPP team went to worlds - Now, of course we know that they added the beloved skip from the HPP team and replaced/shuffled the team around so they could have the HPP skip, skipping a team he had never played on. So this year if you go undefeated there is a loss provision rule in place... second chances for our HPP team to ensure they get to worlds. My point was in all the arrogance of the HPP team - wouldn't you rather take a loss to a team that won't effect the playoffs and then run the table at playoffs and not have to play the 2nd place team a second time! Strategic move? or honest error in not submitting a lineup card to officials? Questionable at best!

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I doubt it was on purpose. I'm pretty sure it was a communication error by the Dropkin team. Someone made a decision to change the lineup (probably a coach). Someone else is in charge of handing the lineup card to the official. Coach tells the team while the second person isn't present. Coach and team think that the person with the card knows. Person with the card doesn't know, and hands the unchanged card to the official.

The way it was done at Nationals and playdowns a few years ago, the lineup card has space for a few different lineups. They fill their first one and hand it off to the official for the first game. The timer transfers the name to the game record. For the next game, if they don't want to change the lineup, they just hand the same card to the official. If they want to change it, they fill the next lineup slot and hand it off. I'm not sure if it is done the same way.

Is it time for a new rule that the team must fill each subsequent spot for each draw even if the lineup is unchanged?

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That is exactly the new rule that came out of last year! Our precious HPP team went undefeated and then lost. So a non-HPP team went to worlds - Now, of course we know that they added the beloved skip from the HPP team and replaced/shuffled the team around so they could have the HPP skip, skipping a team he had never played on. So this year if you go undefeated there is a loss provision rule in place... second chances for our HPP team to ensure they get to worlds. My point was in all the arrogance of the HPP team - wouldn't you rather take a loss to a team that won't effect the playoffs and then run the table at playoffs and not have to play the 2nd place team a second time! Strategic move? or honest error in not submitting a lineup card to officials? Questionable at best!

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An incorrect lineup card would constitute playing out of order. The player listed on the lineup card did not throw the stones he was listed to throw.

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Supposedly the forfeit involved the line-up card rather than playing out of order. But there is not much info available about this so who knows?

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I enjoy a good conspiracy theory as much as anybody, but intentionally not submitting a lineup card and then playing 5 ends??? Yeah...and Cuba and the Mafia and the FBI and the CIA and Lyndon Johnson all got together to kill Kennedy. At least that list had motive (maybe).

I feel terrible for Coach Wally Henry. Simple mistake that anybody could have made. Normally, Wally is my archenemy. When people ask, "Who is the nicest person in USA curling?", I always finish second to Wally. I try to spread rumors that he is secretly a horrible person, but those rumors never catch on. So here I sit; Nice Guy silver medalist. Second place is first loser.

I do need to think the penalty needs to be looked at by the WCF.

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Anybody have results from the Boy's noon draw?

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Tuck, here is a link to the results: http://events.curlingzone.com/index...iew=Round-Robin

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