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I'm pretty sure that if Epping beats Howard in the Page 1 v 2 game and Howard makes it back to the CF that Team Howard gets the hammer due to their RR finish.

In any case.

It would have been understandable if Team Howard's loss of Wayne Middaugh had been a crippling blow. Middaugh along with Kevin Martin are arguably the two deadliest shooters in the modern game.

Instead it seems to have given them a spark that they've been missing for the last two years. Sometimes happens that way. The best player goes down and the rest of the team picks up their game. Mind you, ask the Montreal Canadians, that ain't always the case.

I also think that there is another factor at play. As I say I haven't been able to watch any games. But I was at the curling club last night and talking to the boys about the games they've seen and they all remarked on how many misses they've seen. And bad ones. I.e. Misses we wouldn't be happy with. Now we ain't terrible. Top division in a 50 team league. But we've all played against a number of these guys over the years and we know first hand, they're just better than we are. So.

If they are having that many bad misses it's got to be the ice. To me at least it really is that simple. And yes the ice is the same for everyone. But.

Epping plays a high risk game and relies on making extremely precise shots on his rocks to reap the rewards of the angles going his way, or to get out of trouble when they aren't. With the kind of ice it seems to me that they have this week that kind of game can more easily backfire.

Howard on the other hand grew up forty years ago curling on wildly differing ice conditions from rink to rink. As a result they have a wide range of styles, all subtly nuanced, that allows them to adapt the risk level of their strategy to the ice conditions.

So it could be that Glenn and Rich are managing the ice conditions a little better and so the fact that Epping has more up weight weapons at vice and skip is being negated.

Manitoba Legend, what do you think?

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does Epping get "rattled" ?? ...I know Glenn does not

Ashley Howard winning SK Scotties ..has some effect on uncle Glenn..

the front end are really fired / working super hard..
when you are a daily called-in sub..never been to a Brier..
gotta count for some added fuel....

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does Epping get "rattled" ?? ...I know Glenn does not

Ashley Howard winning SK Scotties ..has some effect on uncle Glenn..

the front end are really fired / working super hard..
when you are a daily called-in sub..never been to a Brier..
gotta count for some added fuel....

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Glenn Howard has to request Adam from the sub pool
for every day to be played..
read it...

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huh

I am well aware of the season's history about Adam Spencer

How was it "all arranged" with the OCA since daily
requests is the rule?

My major point was...

Spencer is very fired up to possibly get to his first Brier.

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You gotta be stoked for Adam. One of those many very good curlers who for whatever reason just never ended up on one of the super teams.....until now.....a pretty good 'everyman' story line.

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Also. At my club there has been a long back and forth debate about sparing rules with accompanying rule changes depending on the composition of the committee.

The boys in the A Division have always felt as follows. What we want is the best competition possible. So if you have Glen Howard as a house guest and want him to play for your team one night we say bring it on. And "Hell yes! Of course he can skip." As I say what we are looking for is the best challenge available.

Surely this is also what the OCA is trying to encourage as well. I.e. Ontario fielding the best teams possible so as to generate the best representative possible.

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I am well aware of the season's history about Adam Spencer

How was it "all arranged" with the OCA since daily
requests is the rule?

My major point was...

Spencer is very fired up to possibly get to his first Brier.

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Mark Bice throwing lead rocks and Tyler Morgan skipping.. Has Bice curled so poorly that his confidence is shot and he needsa break from skipping.. or the Bice team is mathematically eliminated and decided to change things around for ****s and giggles

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Frans with a 4 ender to start game against epping

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I thought Fanset was curling for Tuck? Now he is curling with Frans? Epping's team needs to stop leaving him those hero shots...great for TV but hard to be consistent on.

I think Richard Hart is the best vice for Glen...yes he did ok with Wayne but not the last few years. They seem to be very much in sync.

Yes. to quote ML - "Old Glenny" will know how to adjust to ice conditions more than say someone who plays mainly on arena ice. Although I think Epping does his fair share of club curling too.

Again it is the rest of the team that needs to step up....

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Is Epping's goose cooked?

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Spare lists don't usually have out of towners on them.... That was my point. Also, if any other team showed up and said "put our fifth on the spare list and make sure only we get him each day" that the OCA would tell them where to go. Its preferential treatment. If there are rules you enforce them equally. If the rules end up having a flaw you change them when they are suppose to change, not in the middle to benefit specific teams. I'm all for better competition, but that is not what the OCA is doing here.

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epping scores 3 twice and finds himself up10-8 now , playing 10

glenn helped him out. with balsdon losing john can lock up 2nd if he can hold on and win

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epping v.s howard it is

i'll take howard..again

4th is up for grabs and there could be multiple tiebreakers

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Epping closes out strong with a 9-1 rout of Tuck

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If Epping doesn't win this thing I wonder who's Vice he will steal next year.

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Some of the bottom feeders should be truly embarrassed about their performances this week. Tuck was interviewed early in the week and he said something like his highlight of the tankards he'd been in was meeting fans after the game and drinking. His performance against Epping tonight was brutal.

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Husky Harris appears to have checked out - although he still has a sniff at 3rd or 4th - didn't put up much resistance vs. Higgs this afternoon!

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Some of the bottom feeders should be truly embarrassed about their performances this week. Tuck was interviewed early in the week and he said something like his highlight of the tankards he'd been in was meeting fans after the game and drinking. His performance against Epping tonight was brutal.

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Spencer? A daily called-in sub? Uh? He played full time with Glenn to start the year. In fact the team had better results with Scott, Adam, Rich and Glenn compared to when Wayne was in the line up. The OCA bent over backwards to make sure Glenny got Spencer as his sub too.

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Ill say it again when Mike Harris who has curled 20 games this year and hardly competitive at all the last few years can make the playoffs either the young talent pool in Ontario just isn't there or they still need time to develop into contenders..
1) Jake Walker has made it to a Tankard once...

2) No Ontario mens junior team since 2012 has made it to at least the semifinals of the junior playoffs

I don't see another "Golden era" anytime soon.. Not even close... Not like it was in the early 90s to about 2001 when the depth in Ontario mens was a good as any province in the country

Epping just needs to be patient I don't see Epping having a equally worthy contender.. Walker or Squires or Bice may come close at the most.. Eppings biggest threat would be his current vice Matt Camm if Camm ever left him

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Should be a natural progression via playoff seeding.

ie. Balsdon eliminates Homerun Harris, Howard takes down Epping, Epping knocks out Balsdon and in the finale Howard hammers Epping!

The only game I can see flipping the order is Balsdon taking out Epping in the semi-final.

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Or Mike Harris is a helluva lot better than your giving him credit for. Imagine if he worked at it !

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I saw Mike curl a few times at the 2009 Tankard... No playoff appearance for him at that tankard.. Decent 5-4 record.. 50 points won and 59 points given up..

Id say the depth at that 2009 tankard was a bit better than the current one.. And in 2009 the Wayne Middaugh/John Epping/Scott bailey trio wasnt at that 2009 tankard

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