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01-18-15 07:15PM
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Saw Dean G. curling on 6th Avenue in New York City on national television today. Fabulous grassroots public relations work! Wonderful to see some of the curlers from the new Lakeside Club in Brooklyn and the shout-out to Curl NYC.

Crossing my fingers the New York clubs receive a good percentage of the proceeds from the first Manhattan Curling Cup.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/39962663...?#sp=show-clips

http://imager.2dialog.com/images/us...cf361267153.pdf

And, just can't help it... wondering if USCA has funding now for our championship webstream and what were the costs and benefits of sending an HP team and coaching staff to Glasgow or the Manitoba Open in Winnepeg this weekend.

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And, just can't help it... wondering if USCA has funding now for our championship webstream and what were the costs and benefits of sending an HP team and coaching staff to Glasgow or the Manitoba Open in Winnepeg this weekend.


To play quality opponents ahead of the National Championships. I wonder why Russia, Korea, Switzerland, Sweden or Scotland even bothered to play then...

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Watching the Jr. Nationals now.....wondering if TESN can use that format as a "Plan B" fallback position.

Can't believe we're at the prospect of going backwards. Then again it was the USCA who bought CurlTV subscriptions.

What next?

---Audiocasts?
---TSN's 3"x3" 2400 baud modem videos?
---Real Time curling board (rocks, commentary, score)?
---Friggen Shot Tracker?

Ahhhhhh, those were the days.

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The webcast fundraising goal has been reached.

Thanks to all who supported this effort. Looking forward to a great Nationals in Kalamazoo.

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Excellent job Dean and Dave.

And for those that were saying they would never donate on this thread, please do not watch the webcast of Nationals, that would make you a hypocrite.

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Reaching the goal is awesome news.

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Thanks to all that made this happen and the last anonymous donor who stepped up to the plate and put it over the top. I know that they are not on CZ but hopefully word will reach them.

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Excellent job Dean and Dave.

And for those that were saying they would never donate on this thread, please do not watch the webcast of Nationals, that would make you a hypocrite.



YEah, no it wouldn't...

About all the USCA does for the average member is provide ways to see American Championship curling.

They botched the contract with NBC (highlights on a multi week delay...really?), so all we get is the webstream.

For my regular dues, I'm entitled to that much. The fact that they wouldn't (not couldn't...wouldn't...) find it in the budget to do this without passing the hat is borderline fiduciary mismanagement.

And for the record...I've made my donation...just not via the USCA, as no one ever answered my question as to how we could be assured they wouldn't divert dollar 20,001 to more HP foolishness.

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Excellent job Dean and Dave.

And for those that were saying they would never donate on this thread, please do not watch the webcast of Nationals, that would make you a hypocrite.



jhcurl, this quote makes me angry as for a rare occurrence I at least partially agree with Alan MacNeil. But in all seriousness, please learn what the word hypocrite means, as you are not even close.

I am glad the money was raised, but I will be honest is saying I did not contribute, but will still watch. I did not contribute, because I felt conflicted by the USCA pulling the funding in the first place and then asking us to donate to get what we want. I feel like the USCA banked on the fact that the money would be raised, so they basically took advantage of us. And then if the money was not raised, they could easily use it as justification for a dues hike (we need $20K, about 20K curlers in US, sounds like a $1 dues hike there).

I don't have an issue with the TESN guys being paid for a service they provide, seems like good business there. And if the money was genuinely not there to pay for it, then the USCA made a good financial decision. But the situation just makes me feel like they tried to pull a fast one over on me.

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Thanks to Dean G and helpers for getting this done

Budgets are all about priorities and like others I am hugely disappointed in the choices the USCA is making. However, let's not lose sight of the goodness that has happened here.

A few dedicated board members went outside the system to get this done. I commend them and do not have enough "thank you"s - can only offer a virtual high-five! In addition to funding the webstream ...

Introduced a new source of revenue to curling with maybe the first major crowdsourcing effort. We need more traditional national sponsorships for curling, here's hoping that we learned something to help kickstart our modern funding reach beyond USCA curlers.

The web is the future of broadcasting, that much is clear. Let's hope that the USCA keeps learning to become more effective intheir online presence. This should be a formal part of the board's activity.

A few big hopes here, but thanks to DG and Co that is more than we had a couple of months ago. Thanks!

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jcurl, you make some pretty strong statements on this thread and that's fine. Makes the forum interesting.

Your last statement was was not one of your best.

It could be argued that everyone who pays USCA dues has indirectly funded the Championships and associated webcast. It was the USCA board's decision not to fund the webcast, not the individual members.

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jcurl, you make some pretty strong statements on this thread and that's fine. Makes the forum interesting.

Your last statement was was not one of your best.

It could be argued that everyone who pays USCA dues has indirectly funded the Championships and associated webcast. It was the USCA board's decision not to fund the webcast, not the individual members.



To make one thing perfectly clear, the USCA board DOES NOT create the budget or decide what does or does not get funded. The board sets policy and the USCA staff run the operations.

To better understand the roles of the USCA board and USCA staff you can read the bylaws that were adopted last year. There is a webinar available and the actual bylaws as well here
http://www.teamusa.org/USA-Curling/...ling/Governance

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To make one thing perfectly clear, the USCA board DOES NOT create the budget or decide what does or does not get funded. The board sets policy and the USCA staff run the operations.

JH



That paragraph did not make anything even a hint of more clear for me, and although I don't understand what you are trying to say, I don't know why it matters. You can argue semantics of who did what, but the reality is that the USCA board and the USCA make up the USCA. Someone decided at the USCA pulled the funding, and I still stand by everythign I said above.

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To make one thing perfectly clear, the USCA board DOES NOT create the budget or decide what does or does not get funded. The board sets policy and the USCA staff run the operations.
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Truth or falsehood:

If the Board had said to the staff "You will fund the webcasting", it would have been put into the budget.

If it's false...then the USCA board has no point in existing.

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Seriously, people? We're so mad at the USCA that we can't even celebrate some good news?

JH does have some legitimate points, even though I would have phrased them differently. IF somebody publicly denounced the fund raising effort and discouraged others from donating; yeah, it would be hypocritical to then watch the webstream. People not donating for a myriad of reason is quite understandable, but denouncing the effort wouldn't have been cool.

JH also points out that the budgeting process (and most other processes) have changed within the USCA. The new governance bylaws strive for a more professional organization with more of the decisions being made by full time staff rather than volunteer board members. This includes budgeting. That being said, the full time staff still gets general direction from the board.

So now is the time for dues paying curlers to make their thoughts known.

Setting aside that I enjoy the TESN webcast and consider it a significant return on my dues, I'm coming to look at this in an entirely new light: Do you think the webcast is an important tool for the future of USA curling? I most certainly believe that it could be. It will need to grow. It might only be a step in the right direction; paving the path to really big things...but I think it's important. Very important. Now that I'm not associated with the webcast, I'm feeling more free to be vocal about it.

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So jcurl uses semantics to defend his statement that sounds like it came from a 10 year old.

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OK - I want/demand the USCA to fund the webstream every year until the time when all the games are available live on TV. And if they need to cut HPP money to do so fine. Do I tell that to the Board or the USCA staff?

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HPP dollars can't be used to fund the web stream. The USOC is very specific about what their money goes towards.

I'm not going to debate the USCA budgeting process here. Clearly, there is strong support for funding webcasts in the future. Fact is, there is a lot of support for funding a lot of things. Staff, the Board, the membership, the HP athletes — all would like more revenue in order to deliver more. We can all work towards achieving that.

For the moment, I'd like to thank the people who stepped up and helped make the webcast possible this year. I'd also like to steal from my friend Tuck and suggest we focus on some positives for at least a few days.

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Webcasts are important for existing curlers to be able to watch an event. As a means of exposure or recruiting or new curlers or exposure? Not as much. Curling needs to be on TV, broadcast and/or subscription, if you want to reach people who aren't actively searching for it.

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Congratulations guys! This is great news.

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Webcasts are important for existing curlers to be able to watch an event. As a means of exposure or recruiting or new curlers or exposure? Not as much. Curling needs to be on TV, broadcast and/or subscription, if you want to reach people who aren't actively searching for it.


And I'm fairly certain the USCA knows this. Hence the upcoming Curling Night in America.

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The USCA needs to unite curlers using excessive communication and PR. The members need to stop this negative comments and try to be express concerns in a positive manner. Alan can't continue his continual diatribe and jhcurl can't be calling us hypocrites. We need to get along.

Let's try treat each other using the curling spirit and camaraderie we possess on the ice in our communications on Curlingzone or any other social media realizing we ALL want what is best for curling although we will never agree all the time.

Give the board and USCA management respect while using proper channels to express your concerns.

And the USCA needs to know there are way too many curlers disgruntled with a lot of what is happening. If they do know it they need to work to do something about it. Perhaps communicate back to the regional associations who can use club reps to disseminate it to the membership?

I for one am looking forward to another excellent webcast from TESN, thank everyone for helping out here.

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The USCA needs to unite curlers using excessive communication and PR. The members need to stop this negative comments and try to be express concerns in a positive manner. Alan can't continue his continual diatribe and jhcurl can't be calling us hypocrites. We need to get along.

Let's try treat each other using the curling spirit and camaraderie we possess on the ice in our communications on Curlingzone or any other social media realizing we ALL want what is best for curling although we will never agree all the time.

Give the board and USCA management respect while using proper channels to express your concerns.

And the USCA needs to know there are way too many curlers disgruntled with a lot of what is happening. If they do know it they need to work to do something about it. Perhaps communicate back to the regional associations who can use club reps to disseminate it to the membership?

I for one am looking forward to another excellent webcast from TESN, thank everyone for helping out here.



Great post. Communicate with your regional directors. Remember that the clubs are now direct members of the USCA. Create a liason from your club to the USCA for communication. Attend a USCA board meeting, attend the members assembly. The members should have a voice. Email to USCA staff to create the communication channel. I communicate all the positive and negative comments to the board chair, his contact info is also available on the USCA website. The board is listening and trying to do the best for US curling.

My negative comments are mostly directed to those that would pull down the USCA. Can the USCA get better, yes. The board and the staff are working hard everyday to make it happen. One example is Dean and Dave stepping up and making sure the Nats would be streamed. Go back and read the thread, they pledged to cover any short fall out of their own pockets. Thanks to a lot of folks they did not have to do that.

Posting here is one way to communicate, expressing concerns and questions directly to the board/staff is another. Contact your directors and make sure your voice is heard.

Contact info for all directors and staff can be found on the USCA website.

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Well said Jeff. Thanks for the info.

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And I'm fairly certain the USCA knows this. Hence the upcoming Curling Night in America.

-BA



I was referring to (and should have quoted) Tuck saying webcasts will be needed to grow. Webcasts aren't critical for growth right now and may not be for some time.

Curling Night in America is a good step. It would be a better step if it were to show Nationals, or an event where people who only watch curling every four years will recognize the teams.

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