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02-16-18 07:09PM
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Does anyone know why CC installed their own coach and 5th player to Team Holman? I am not sure how it could ever help, but we are seeing first hand, how it can destroy an established team dynamic.

No knock against Renee, she might be the greatest coach in the world, but she has not gone through the highs and lows with the team. She has not earned, nor does she have, the respect of the team. Emma's comment at the fifth end break was "why would she say that", followed by laughter from herself, Rachel and Cheryl.

Every time there has been a time out called, Renee has come out and the team has missed the next shot. In the tenth end against Denmark, she got them to change from a peel nose hit for the win, to a tougher pick. Then they go on to miss.

It seems really strange to me, that someone who has never coached this team, would be added just before the biggest event of their lives. Do you think the Jays, Raptors or Leafs, would change coaches, when they get to their league championships.

I hope Manitoba Legend is right, that she won't come out during time outs anymore. Her input is obviously not working and something has to change.

Winning eight straight games to win the gold medal is not out of the question for this talented team. But I think they have to do it their way, the way that got them there in the first place.

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The Dane's should have removed their rock immediately, you say?



Nope. I didn't say that at all.

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In the right can still be wrong

Mike and Joan each did their scripted 1/2 back peddle which I'm sure they were forced to do by CC and the broadcasters. . Said they didn't agree with it but "It's in the rules"
Joan said 20 years ago no question remove it. That's irrelevant in TODAY'S curling.
Still lost respect of the players and most viewers, especially skip of Denmark based on her remarks and snide grin of disbelief in her interview with Jones.

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Just replayed the video and could not hear emma say anything in fifth end break about coaches, what was said?

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Just replayed the video and could not hear emma say anything in fifth end break about coaches, what was said?

It was after the coach had walked away, and it sounded as if Emma said, "I'm sorry, what did she say?" which generated laughter from the team. I have no idea if it was in reference to the coach or not, but the coach had indeed just made a pep talk to the team about "clarity."

Team Canada finally put it together against Team USA, and Team USA really helped by playing quite poorly. The rest of the field won't do that, and I just hope that at the end of the round robin, Canada is not going to rue that loss to Denmark. That's the one that never should have happened.

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I was just reviewing the standings and it came to mind how many times GBR has started world and Olympic events weak in the standings and clawed back to the medal round. Many. CDA is in the thick now, and out of the funk, "the start of our come-back" as they said themesleves at the end of the USA game. Good Luck. #GoCdaGo

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Does anybody have an answer to this question: If the Danish burned rock had been the last rock of the game - as well as the game winning rock - would you still consider it "unsportsman like" to remove that rock?

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yes it is - the rock was not materially affected

sportsman ship and class are black and white - no grey area

you are either a good sport or a poor sport - arguing doesnt help

you cant be a little bit pregnant

a poor sport can not talk a good sport into agreeing with his premise.............

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OTTAWA MEAN GIRLS ARE BACK

The Ottawa Mean Girls are BACK - machining off an obviously traumatized Team USA 11-2 or somesuch . . . .

All Cdn. players were 90 to 99%. If they play at or even near that level they'll win out and take a back to back gold medal in womens curling.

They have to win out their last two games anyways (semi & final) to win gold - so they now need 5 straight to certify a spot at #3 or #4.

Only team that can stand up to shot-peltings like America took today is Team Sweden - and even then I don't like the Swedes chances - they can't all get it up into the 90s, can they?

Next up for Homan is Silvana T of Switzerland - a formidable competitor to be sure but the only way Vanna beats Rachel is if Rachel beats Rachel.

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ML - your "shot pelters" are also now known as "rock pullers"

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ML - your "shot pelters" are also now known as "rock pullers"


Yes they are. Everyone makes mistakes - shouldn't be nailed to a cross (or curling pin) cuz of it.

Even my girl JJ Jones made a mistake over 10 years ago when she went nuts on a young group of fawns when a running stone was 'touched'. That young fawns name was Kerri Einarson - Jones took a lotta flack for that - and it was hidden within a moderate sized provincial playdown with no TV cameras.

Rachel's "pull" occurred in front of millions of folks around the world, not just Canadian curling fans.

She'll be fine. Fans will be fine. The incident will come up hundreds of times in future curling discussions.

Raytch's path to gold is clear. WIN OUT - YOU GOT GOLD

Might even be able to slither into a tie-breaker by going 4-1 down the stretch.

Tirinzoni & Muirhead already have 2 losses each. Rachel has yet to play either of them.

Tirinzoni might put up marginally more opposition than Nina Roth - Muirhead's team is slightly below average to average - BUT EVE IS A NUCLEAR WEAPON - - - - she's the only one who could put Rachel down prior to the playoffs.

In the playoffs the swedes could refuse to lose - especially if they can engage Rachel in a tight game where they (Sweden) hold hammer.

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The rule book says " a touched stone cannot be stopped by the offending team after the far hog line". decade 02/16/18

Are you sure?

I thought it stated that inside the hog line, at the playing end, all stones can be allowed to come to rest after which the Non-offending team has the option to remove the touched stone...etc.

I have yet to find any rule which states it is not permissible for for an offending team to stop and/or remove a moving burned rock whether it's half way down the ice or after it has passed the hog.

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The rule book says " a touched stone cannot be stopped by the offending team after the far hog line". decade 02/16/18.Are you sure?.I thought it stated that inside the hog line, at the playing end, all stones can be allowed to come to rest after which the Non-offending team has the option to remove the touched stone...etc. I have yet to find any rule which states it is not permissible for for an offending team to stop and/or remove a moving burned rock whether it's half way down the ice or after it has passed the hog.

rationale: if you throw a stinker, that might end up really BAD for you, you are NOT allowed to kick it off, or burn it. (of course), hence, no removal from play after hog. Let it come to rest then non-offending team can decide preferred outcome.

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Curling Canada's code of ethics would certainly support the non removal of the burned stone. The spirit of the rule is to have the stones in the original place had the stone not been touched.
Yes, Homan's team may win gold, but, their decision to remove that stone will always be a blemish on the spirit of curling. If Homan was really adamant about rules she wouldn't allow her front end to be in the house when the opposition is delivering. That is certainly against the rules.

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The rule book says " a touched stone cannot be stopped by the offending team after the far hog line". decade 02/16/18

Are you sure?

I thought it stated that inside the hog line, at the playing end, all stones can be allowed to come to rest after which the Non-offending team has the option to remove the touched stone...etc.

I have yet to find any rule which states it is not permissible for for an offending team to stop and/or remove a moving burned rock whether it's half way down the ice or after it has passed the hog.



Kind of an irrelevant distinction.

The rule doesn't say 'cannot be removed...', but whether the rock is grazed by a broom or kicked off to the side and taken back behind the house, the situation is still the same.

All the rocks come to rest and then the non-offending team has the same three options.

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It was her choice to remove the stone. But, they way she went about it was terrible. No communication, nothing - she was in there so quick to get it out of there and banging it with her broom - she could have hit the other one lying behind it.

Doesn't much matter - she lost anyway!!

There are rules - but in the game of curling there is respect, and the way she went about it, she lost mine. She could have showed some class. Not that I ever remember her showing any before.

Here is a new CBC story:

https://olympics.cbc.ca/news/articl...lympic-win.html

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I have a lot of respect for Renee. I think she's getting a bad wrap here. She has coached Olympic curling and knows the sport. She isn't "Olga". The coach has many roles and is not the enemy. No comments by her were included in CBC's comeback story (above). Conspicuous absence. TenBux says it was her choice to refrain.

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bet barnard wishes she wasn't there.

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