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Totally different. I think Ethan would love to have the rule named after his upset. Somebody ask him.

2 loss provision works just fine. Does it apply to Men's and Women's as well?

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On the Dropkin DQ:
It was discovered around the second end. After that the officials took the best course of action and allowed play to continue while they figured out what to do. Since there's no clear-cut rule for what exactly the consequence should be for not submitting an updated line-up card, it took a few ends of discussion and research and phone calls to figure out what should happen. It was not a decision they made lightly at all but the ruling seems to be consistient with the rule about throwing ("deliberately") out of order.

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AHA! I (finally) got one right! It's now the Meyers Rule. Quinn can try to add the Team and see if it catches on.

Quinn is an Alaskan and, therefore, crazy. All curlers should always remember: ALASKANS BE CRAZY! Good rule to live by. Memorize it. Alaskans be crazy.

Dropkin rink drops one to Clawson. The Boy's half is getting interesting early.

The Girl's side...not so much. Annamaria Dubbya off to great start. Take my advice and keep an eye on Runing and her teammates. They are all good. Melissa could go very far in this sport if she wants to.

Last year in Devils Lake, Kevin Kakela told me that Hunter Clawson looked like a rising star. Kevin knows nothing about curling, so it was probably just a lucky guess. OK, Kev might know a thing or two.

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not a walk though for dropkin like some thought it might be. i think its good there's competition for him. they could have to take the long road if they are gonna win this time.

like i said before though, i doubt it will matter. Dropkin will go to worlds as alternate anyway.

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Something in the last comment that should catch some attention.... Long road to worlds or not Dropkin will go as an alternate - Reality is that he will not be an alternate, past experience tells us he will be skipping and replacing an existing player. I guess one could wonder why if he can't win skipping his own team, he should take over skipping the winning team? Best for him to win with his own team.

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Something in the last comment that should catch some attention.... Long road to worlds or not Dropkin will go as an alternate - Reality is that he will not be an alternate, past experience tells us he will be skipping and replacing an existing player. I guess one could wonder why if he can't win skipping his own team, he should take over skipping the winning team? Best for him to win with his own team.

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That is exactly the new rule that came out of last year! Our precious HPP team went undefeated and then lost. So a non-HPP team went to worlds - Now, of course we know that they added the beloved skip from the HPP team and replaced/shuffled the team around so they could have the HPP skip, skipping a team he had never played on. So this year if you go undefeated there is a loss provision rule in place... second chances for our HPP team to ensure they get to worlds. My point was in all the arrogance of the HPP team - wouldn't you rather take a loss to a team that won't effect the playoffs and then run the table at playoffs and not have to play the 2nd place team a second time! Strategic move? or honest error in not submitting a lineup card to officials? Questionable at best!

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Dang. Nom de broom woke up. Nice.

I've been lucky enough to met Korey and most of the others. Very briefly, but on a few occasions. You won't find nicer young men anywhere.

Yes, we should all be careful to separate the Players from the Program.

I'll start by trying to defend the Program that I don't, even remotely, agree with:

Once a team wins Juniors, the Committee gets to assign them a fifth. Some teams dodge this...some teams don't. If you're on that Committee, who are you going to take? You're going to take Korey. Great guy. Great curler. Respected by all the other teams.

Now you're the coach at World Juniors. Your team is NOT off to a great start. New to Juniors is that the bottom teams get relegated to a World Junior Qualifying Event. USCA staff, Board, HPP staff and USA curling fans don't want to be relegated (although I think that's just silly and shortsighted). What do you do as the coach? You put in Korey.

Current thinking with USCA staff and HPP staff is, "It's not YOUR worlds. It affects all of us, so it is OUR worlds. We will do what we have to do in order to place well."

So while I disagree strongly with all of that (especially for Juniors), each step does have some logic. Those involved in each step are doing what they believe to be best.

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Seem to be missing coverage. Last year watched alot of this event. Is there no streaming?

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Well said nom de broom. I think that what the HPP did last year with the Junior Champs was so very wrong, but that does not excuse the vitriol directed at the HP Team -- all good kids and good curlers, just the kind of people we want representing us at Worlds.

Tuck gives the HPP a pass for all of this, saying that their moves have some logic and they are all trying to do their best. Perhaps that is true but at some point we have to give our Champions what they should have won as a team -- the opportunity to represent USA in world play. Bring a 5th man along to thew worlds, like all countries do, but insert him into the Championship team only if someone is unable to curl, like most countries do.

As they have demonstrated, HPP can change the rules for determining our champions however they wish but, once our champion is determined, HPP should fully support that championship team.

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Seem to be missing coverage. Last year watched alot of this event. Is there no streaming?

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It looks like the playoffs are all but set for the Junior Men.

Clawson goes 8-1 to claim the #1 seed...these kids are good...and don't age out for another year, if my math is correct..maybe even 2 years.

Dropkin will get a chance for revenge in the 1-2 Page game as he's set at 7-2...we'll see if HPP experience pays off in the Playoff...

Stopera is clinched in at #3 at 6-3.

And Connolly avoids the tiebreaker by one point, taking 4th at 5-4.

It's looking good that the seat for the Junior Champions at Men's Championships won't be necessary...Clawson has already earned their seat at the table via the playin, and Dropkin got in via the HPP clause already as well. And realistically, I'm expecting Clawson/Dropkin III to be the final for the right to go to World's as Team USA in a couple days.

McCormick might wanna make plane reservations for Jacksonville...prices are still low...

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Time to put on my Eastie hat with a bit of expansion to include the left coast as well. Did you notice that on the top 5 teams, 21 of the 23 players are from the coasts? Yep, GNCC, Seattle and Alaska.

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Time to put on my Eastie hat with a bit of expansion to include the left coast as well. Did you notice that on the top 5 teams, 21 of the 23 players are from the coasts? Yep, GNCC, Seattle and Alaska.

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I'm hopping into my pickup and driving down to watch the semis and tomorrow's finals. I'll y'all know what I see.

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Ouch - tough loss for HP team in Page 1-2. Tied coming home with hammer. Clawson made nice draw to back 4-foot with his final rock leaving Dropkin a draw for the win, perhaps with backing. Dropkin appeared to throw good stone but sweepers were maybe anxious and swept it too much. Stone stopped in back 4-foot but too deep to be shot. Clawson moves on to championship game.

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And now the Clawsons will Rue the hiccup they had back in Draw 2 against Shlimovitz where they gave up the two to lose the game.

If they'd managed to win that game, they'd have two chances to win one against whomever emerges from the Page Semi (appears to be gonna be Dropkin vs Stopera)....instead, that one end means that the Championship game is...well...a Championship game.

This will be the biggest pressure game the Clawson rink has played to this point...yeah they had to win to get into Men's Nationals in a Do or Die, but that was a stretch goal in the first place...this is the one they wanted.

What I wanna know is will they get even a cursory look from the Junior HPP folks for next season? Or will the fact they curl from East of the Appalachians make them irrelevant to "Team USA"?

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What I wanna know is will they get even a cursory look from the Junior HPP folks for next season? Or will the fact they curl from East of the Appalachians make them irrelevant to "Team USA"?

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Well, let's see. There are currently 10 juniors in the HP. 3 hail from the Midwest, 6 from the East, and 1 from Alaska. Seems like the coasts are getting treated fairly.

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Well, let's see. There are currently 10 juniors in the HP. 3 hail from the Midwest, 6 from the East, and 1 from Alaska. Seems like the coasts are getting treated fairly.

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Not sure east or west of any landmark is or has been a factor

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My understanding is that they applied, but were not accepted to the combine.

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My understanding is that they applied, but were not accepted to the combine.

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My understanding is that they applied, but were not accepted to the combine.

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hunter clawson edges out dropkin and gets to the final. korey wont have an easy match in the semis to get a 3rd shot at him.

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