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Well executed end by Thurston forces Harvey to 1 in the second end. tied up 1-1. Karwacki playing well lobbing draws & freezes under the Harvey centre guards.

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Thurston with a disaster in the 3rd end. Playing a shot for two, stuffs it on her own stone and gives up a STEAL of 2. Huge momentum swing on an end that looked like it would be a multiple score for Jill.

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I have no idea what just happened. Teams shook after the minimum amount of ends played in a close game...

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Word is there was a somewhat verbal agreement between the skips pre game about not playing the entire 10 ends because neither team was in playoff contention. Harvey extended the handshake after the minimum amount of ends required to play while being down one. Thurston takes the win. Fans in Winkler upset that the teams didn't provide the entertainment expected in a close game at the Manitoba Scotties.

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Some players choosing to stick around and support the rest of the games and the Winkler event. Really strange thing to happen.

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This is sickening. Only good thing is that very few folks came to see Manitoba Roadkill like Thurston and especially Harvey. But both were former Manitoba champions and Jones wasn't on the draw (95% of the fans want to see her) so the fans deserved to see a nice game between 70-75% curlers.

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There comes to a point that collectively everyone involved needs to be on the same page about building the game. Players are not bigger than the sport and the entertainment it needs to provide to keep the game going. I have been in many "meaningless" competitive games in my life and the thought to not play has never happened. Fans pay money to support the event which brings business to the community. Winkler has been an incredible event as far as volunteerism and collective support. If the sacrifice to turn off the rest of your life for 5 days at this event is too much I question if the motive to be at the event itself is too much. If that's the case then reevaluation might be necessary.

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There comes to a point that collectively everyone involved needs to be on the same page about building the game. Players are not bigger than the sport and the entertainment it needs to provide to keep the game going. I have been in many "meaningless" competitive games in my life and the thought to not play has never happened. Fans pay money to support the event which brings business to the community. Winkler has been an incredible event as far as volunteerism and collective support. If the sacrifice to turn off the rest of your life for 5 days at this event is too much I question if the motive to be at the event itself is too much. If that's the case then reevaluation might be necessary.

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Weighing in.
I respect them for shaking. They have played each other a gazillion times over the years. They practiced and were fit, with the goal to make 1. the playoffs, and 2. the nationals. Both goals were quashed for both teams. It showed respect for each other to not have to endure a meaningless dance. The skips agreed. The rules allow. Let's go for a beer. Cheers one and all.

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Players aren't bigger than the sport. It is a players duty when they come into the realm of the highest echelon of curling to attempt to be professional and provide a value for the game. Sponsors pay for the event to run and fans pay for the ability to watch high level curling. 2 games ended early based on lopsided scores. People are not happy in this building.

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i find it odd that people suggest a triple knock out format. let me ask you this. would you suggest putting one into place at the national or world championship? because the same problem could exist

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Players aren't bigger than the sport. It is a players duty when they come into the realm of the highest echelon of curling to attempt to be professional and provide a value for the game. Sponsors pay for the event to run and fans pay for the ability to watch high level curling. 2 games ended early based on lopsided scores. People are not happy in this building.

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Residency rules have been grey for years. We aren't far from it opening up entirely. The only issues I ever hear of residency are in curling forums online.

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I agree if we want to keep sponsors players need to supply a good effort. All these players took the time off let's support winkler and every other host town in the future without them there is no event does it really hurt them to toss 3or 4 more ends.

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Residency rules have been grey for years. We aren't far from it opening up entirely. The only issues I ever hear of residency are in curling forums online.

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i personally dont care if someone represents a different province then when they were bron. but yeah, it seems to me that a person should have some sort of tie to a province if they are going to represent it. live there, work there..either one

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There are requirements that have to be met on two levels to play from a different province. Provincial association Requirements and National requirements. I had to have 4 different proofs I am Manitoban now since I came from Alberta. Curlers make tremendous sacrifices to attempt to play at the top level. We aren't making millions of dollars and riding the gravy train.

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Did they break a rule?

I was responding to Ml who used words like "sickening". This isn't sickening, bill Cosby is sickening, atrocities against society are sickening, quitting after 5 ends is not sickening, especially when it is within the rules.


As for the entertainment argument. Since when is it an obligation of curlers to entertain at a provincial championship? are they paid for these events? If Bryan Adams comes to town and can' t sing demand your money back, he is in the entertainment business. Curlers are there to compete until they are knocked out. I guess lobbing and peeling rocks for 10 ends with a score of 2-1 would be better ? Good lord, the big o did 400 worse things than this and did that have some everlasting effect on curling growth? I mean come on. Let's be a little more mela dramatic. Watching curlers hungover and still possibly drunk during the trials last year should have caused a problem if there was ever going to be one on this topic.

Do you honestly believe that a young 10 year old is not going to start curling because thurston and Harvey shook after 5 or a volunteer is not going to volunteer for the same reason? The volunteer who is on the ice doing the scoring was probably thrilled they didn't have to sit for five more ends of a game that means the same as a Friday night mixed game, actually that game actually means more, my bad.


They did not break a rule so if someone wants their $5 back that they paid for the draw go take it up with the MCA get their refund .

And the people complaining were probably also mentioning how they are on a fixed income and it's uphill both ways,

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There was a great post on the curler about this and I agree with it 100%.

Here is the link to it http://www.thecurler.com/story,news...ove-of-the-Game

It's easy to say that they didn't break any rules but curling is a sport that has many items of ediquet that don't make it into the rule books. What happened with this game ending after 5 with score 4-3 was not good for the sport and if you argue differently then you just don't get it. As it was said before the players aren't bigger than the game.

I get it, they were out, disappointed, tired, but would one more hour of playing the sport they love been that hard to do?

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At the Brier in Hamilton, New Brunswick was forced to play Glen Howard's Ontario team for 6 ends even though they wanted to shake after 4.

Glen played the last end to allow NB to draw for shot. This happened on the final day of round robin play.

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Alright I'm back in...........damn it.

I have seen more than once this reference to " not bigger than the game" What the heck does that even mean?

I'm sure that this was not the greatest decision ever made, and if truth be told, maybe the girls would have thrown rocks into the house and peeled out for another 5 ends to satisfy everyone involved, but as I originally stated, posters were using words such as "sickening" and my post that you quoted, explained why in my opinion, words such as these were misused. The rest of the thread morphed into a whole other area, but this is where it started. Do I get that some were disappointed, of course, but the rule was there. If this is such a big concern, then the MCA can simply change the rule. Teams also have a serious obligation to protect the field, if either team was playing a meaningful game and did something like this, then I would be the first in line admonishing that behaviour, but this was not the case.

FYI- the Ontario Tankard has no such game length requirement until the playoffs, so the MCA is not out of step with current standards.

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