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melita
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empty seats

if you charge $25 you keep people at home.charge $10 more people and children.let sponsers pay arena rental

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Re: empty seats

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if you charge $25 you keep people at home.charge $10 more people and children.let sponsers pay arena rental


Good point. I've often thought about it!

The only reason I can surmise is that this model of increasing ticket prices as playoffs approach is experientially based; ie. they only expect so many seat-buyers regardless of price so they maximize revenue.

It appears high attendance numbers are no longer necessary to deem a curling event successful. More important factors are: 1. TV revenue, 2. Sponsorship revenue, 3. Advertising and local support revenue (banners, ads in programs, on-ice ads, arena ads, ads on SUVs used as transport, hotel ads, etc.)
4. Ticket sales - two aspects - the pre-paid amount where local banks, credit unions, implement dealers, car dealers, medium to large businesses buy a ticket package consisting of anywhere from 50 tickets for the event to over a thousand. The FREE school tickets are actually free - I don't think the schools pay anything for these - other than transporting children to the event.

So if there's only 1200 folks in a 4,000 seat facility - and the spiel manager says they're tickled pink its only because he knows how many pre-paid seats (and boxes) were purchased. It really could be as high as 1500 to 2000 for each draw - and most of those businesses have little to no interest in curling - sometimes they don't even take them out of the drawer.

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If you are talking the poor attendance at the Boost National that was not because of high costs. Saulites are cheap sure but the crowd were not curling fans. They were hockey fans that only showed up to watch Jacobs since they didn't have any Greyhounds games to go to with the arena booked up. The place always had good attendance when Jacobs was playing. Case in point the crowd erupting in cheers when teams missed shots against Jacobs and even louder cheers when Ryan Harnden made a come around on his second rock of an end.

Honestly, I was ashamed of the crowd at the Boost National this week. I actually had to get up and leave during one draw because the crowd was so obnoxious.

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If you are talking the poor attendance at the Boost National that was not because of high costs. Saulites are cheap sure but the crowd were not curling fans. They were hockey fans that only showed up to watch Jacobs since they didn't have any Greyhounds games to go to with the arena booked up. The place always had good attendance when Jacobs was playing. Case in point the crowd erupting in cheers when teams missed shots against Jacobs and even louder cheers when Ryan Harnden made a come around on his second rock of an end.

Honestly, I was ashamed of the crowd at the Boost National this week. I actually had to get up and leave during one draw because the crowd was so obnoxious.




Its a shame when people/fans boo the team they are not supporting. Its just bad taste and it probably embarrasses the curlers as well. Some people just don't think or perhaps they just don't care. Either way, poor judgement. Sorry you had to leave the game. I watched it on TV and it was pretty darn good. Both teams played very very well. Its just a shame there has to be a loser. On the bright side, both rinks are now ensconced for the ROR.

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It's pitiful that the Grand Slam organizers (Sportsnet?) are happy with such low attendance. They don't seem to understand (or simply don't care) that poor attendance reflects poorly on the sport. Casual curling fans and people who are a little curious about curling will see the seats being 3/4 empty and move on to another channel - because 3/4 empty seats gives the very loud message that nothing important or interesting is happening here.

If the organizers had any sense, and truly cared about curling (rather than simply caring about the dollar), they would do everything they could do to get the most seats filled possible - including lowering ticket prices, and even giving away some tickets through contests or something similar. They wouldn't be losing any money by lowering ticket prices, as more people would buy them - the only difference would be that more people would be in the seats, which is an important factor when you're trying to sell the game to people.

Just because they're making money with a 75% empty arena is not nearly good enough. The organizers should be thinking beyond their own personal profits, and trying to sell the game to the casual/curious fan. And putting more people in the seats is an important aspect of selling the game to those people, because a fuller venue shows people that something interesting and important is happening, and so these casual/curious people would stick around instead of changing the channel.

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Its a shame when people/fans boo the team they are not supporting. Its just bad taste and it probably embarrasses the curlers as well. Some people just don't think or perhaps they just don't care. Either way, poor judgement. Sorry you had to leave the game. I watched it on TV and it was pretty darn good. Both teams played very very well. Its just a shame there has to be a loser. On the bright side, both rinks are now ensconced for the ROR.



well the thing is, in many other sports, in fact in pretty much every other team sport at least fans boo the team they dont support. if these fans arent curling fans it doesnt surprise me that they wouldnt know any better.

not saying i agree with the act of booing someone else but its just what they're used to.

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Maybe they should "tarp off" sections of these small arenas so that fans are packed into certain areas - it would look better on TV - although in curling - many fans don't like sitting in crowds! Ever notice that?

BC Lions at BC Place (CFL) tarp off nearly 20,000 seats (upper level) to provide the semblance of a busy stadium during games.

So do the Manitoba Moose (AHL) who play in a 15,100 arena in Winnipeg - but the upper concourse level is tarped so that only 9,000 tickets are available for each game. This also creates more demand for less seats. Moose (an awful poor hockey product) will routinely draw crowds of 6,000 to 8,000 for their games.

On the other hand the Manitoba government built a 33,000 seat stadium for a bunch of private schmucks at a cost of nearly 300 million - without much chance for repayment by the team. Over-supply of tickets means crowds of 22,000 to 24,000 make the thing look terribly empty. ie. no demand for seats cuz fans now know there's always inventory available. Winnipeg even had trouble selling out last year's Grey Cup - took a last minute push and a couple big retailers agreeing to take huge baskets of tickets at reduced prices. All done under the table, of course!

Not just a curling problem - but curling arenas (other than Briers & Worlds in North America) are notoriously small to begin with. (ie. 3,000 to 5,500) so when you don't have more than 400 folks in those places it appears gawdawful.

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