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03-05-15 12:14AM
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Recent Curlingzone blog posted by Colin and Chris on their perspective on the U.S. HPP program:
http://www.curlingzone.com/talk/?p=170

Their personal testimonial was one from the heart and reflective of their dedication to the sport they love. I'm new to curling (2 years) and to this forum. It's been interesting reading the passion. Some looking to change the formula of the past with anticipation of different results. Some wanting to to hold onto historical precedence. Before this years U.S. championships some stated their team preferences. Some for "traditional" teams, others for "McCormick" or "Brown". Some stating they were rooting for them, but not the HPP program. Not sure how you can have both. As stated in the blog post, the "McCormick" team is HPP. They are real people, not a program.

If you have issues with the HPP program then talk to your USCA board representative. Get involved in a committee. Direct your personal passion to those in charge of the program, Derek Brown. The athletes are busting their humps pursuing their dreams and trying to accomplish just what we all desire. You can't speak of the HPP program without speaking of the athletes involved. We're all in this together, one team.

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You're wrong.

You can very easily speak of the Program without speaking of the Curlers who are *forced* to participate in said program.

And you *are* forced...technically, *currently*, Shuster is in the HPP...or at the very least, he is responsible to the HPP coaches, never mind the fact that his team and thier coaches got to be the US Champions on their own, with no help from the HPP at all. It's a required condition of play. Hell, witness the meddling Derek has done with our Boys team...

No one here doesn't like our *curlers*, at the most, we dislike that *program*.

No one begrudges teams that have proven to have talent being given access to coaches, facilities, and opportunities. What we begrudge is that *on top of that* they are also being given an unlevel playing surface to be our representatives at international competition.

We begrudge things like "Well, we can't afford to support a team for (International Event X, WUG or Seniors or others), but we'll be more than happy to claim their success as ours if they do so.

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I do not think that anyone begrudges these teams. Fellow curlers recognize that the World of the USCA has changed. With the investment in the HPP, which will take 4 years or more to pay off, the USCA has taken a step in re-writing the rules which has PO'd the balance of the curlers.
If the playdowns were conducted in a fair manner, the USCA would put their HPP teams through the identical qualification process as the rest of us Joes/Janes. Rather than giving them free rides to the National Championships(NC), make them qualify. If you have confidence in your coaching and practice programs, qualification should not be an issue.
The playing field should be even for all. With the USCA investment in the program, make 3 or 4 spots OOM spots but make your HPP teams earn them. By stating up front that these teams will have a bye to the NC, seems a little ridiculous.
I think this is where everyone gets their noses out of joint.

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Originally posted by AlanMacNeill
You're wrong.

You can very easily speak of the Program without speaking of the Curlers who are *forced* to participate in said program.

And you *are* forced...technically, *currently*, Shuster is in the HPP...or at the very least, he is responsible to the HPP coaches, never mind the fact that his team and thier coaches got to be the US Champions on their own, with no help from the HPP at all. It's a required condition of play. Hell, witness the meddling Derek has done with our Boys team...

No one here doesn't like our *curlers*, at the most, we dislike that *program*.

No one begrudges teams that have proven to have talent being given access to coaches, facilities, and opportunities. What we begrudge is that *on top of that* they are also being given an unlevel playing surface to be our representatives at international competition.

We begrudge things like "Well, we can't afford to support a team for (International Event X, WUG or Seniors or others), but we'll be more than happy to claim their success as ours if they do so.



Isn't it rather ironic that every Canadian team has a "team leader", a level 4 or level 5 high performance coach, at, and leading up to, every world championship and it has never hurt any Canadian team or their performance, while a similar system only "hurts" American teams.

Why is it that a High Performance Program only hurts American teams and not Canadian teams?

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Isn't it rather ironic that every Canadian team has a "team leader", a level 4 or level 5 high performance coach, at, and leading up to, every world championship and it has never hurt any Canadian team or their performance, while a similar system only "hurts" American teams.

Why is it that a High Performance Program only hurts American teams and not Canadian teams?

What nonsense. Can you guess the response if the "Coach" of Glen Howard's team at the worlds a few years back instructed Glen that a change was to be made; Brent Laing was to be benched, Glen was moving back to vice and a hand chosen 5th was being brought in to skip? Things would have gotten ugly real quick.

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I don't really believe anyone is upset with the curlers specifically. They are upset with the system, its directions and its staffing in most cases.

It is a program that has been given the latitude to write their own program, establish their own set of rules or guidelines as to how it will be executed- ( they try to call this transparency). and then at will, if things don't pan out the way they want, the rules change...

There is not a level playing field for the teams that earn their way to the big dance without the HPP $ or coaches. The HPP then injects themselves into these said teams and blows them up under the idea that they know better what will work - Latest example is Jr Mens team at Worlds - HPP brought in their own skip believing it would get better results. It did not. The program NEVER gave the team that won the chance to represent the USA, the chance to prove themselves at Worlds. I would like to believe that team dynamics and team chemistry play a huge role in team success and they would have done as well or better without the changes in lineup.

It will be a huge mistake for the HPP to do it again at Mens Worlds. Let's all hope they leave well enough alone!

The HPP program and its staff have not shown their current program has improved results. They are 1 for 6 in getting an HPP team to win a National Championship and get to Worlds. Not winning numbers. What they have done is create a wedge amongst US curlers- The have and have nots. They have created a culture of mistrust is an organization we all once wanted to support. They have sent a message to our youngest curlers that winning doesnt really matter - being chosen matters. These results are under the direction of our current HP Director.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/curling/sc...-suit-1.1062928

Is this really the person we want leading USA Curling into the next Olympics???

Again, it is not about the curlers in the program. It is about the program itself.

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Casual Curler,

Would your opinions differ if it was team members who recommended the 5th rather than having him forced on the team by an HPP coach?

Would your opinions differ if it was the team coach rather than the HPP national coach who decided after watching the team struggle at men's nationals that playing the 5th was in the best interest of the team's success at worlds?

Do you KNOW the answers to who made what decisions?

If not, you're basing harsh opinions on limited and possibly incorrect knowledge.

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Re: Sad State: ...

quote:
Originally posted by CURLogic
You can't speak of the HPP program without speaking of the athletes involved.


It is unfortunate for the athletes that this is true, even if it's not the intent when statements are made. This makes for a difficult position for anyone who dislikes aspects of the HPP, or in most cases the world team selection process. Bite your tongue out of respect for the players and then you don't get a record of true opinions of the program. I also respect the players who have stayed away from the arguments, or responded as respectfully as Colin and Chris have.

I'm glad to see American curlers trying to compete with the world's best and believe that we have some that are putting in the work required to make that happen. To the curlers who are making that effort, both within and outside the HPP I applaud, and look forward to enjoying the results of the effort.

To those in the HPP, yes you've earned your places in the program, but be honest with yourselves that the path to the world championships is not as open as it used to be. Whether or not that is a good thing remains to be seen, but understand that it is a change that cuts against long held and, to some, very important tradition.

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Truth be told, I want quite a few things out of HP athletes. One of them is that they are smart enough to not read and respond to things posted on a curling message board. What are you doing Korey? Right or wrong, do you not understand how the internet works?

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Deez,

As Tuck would say, this is Dropkin the Ancient; the father not the son(s). And Korey most defintely knows how the internet works, far better undoubtedly than I do! But telling an HPP athlete not to read the posts is like telling a professional athlete not to read the newspaper or watch the sports talk shows. It's a nice concept, but not reality. We all care what others think of us. Whether it's personal or not is in how it's received, not in how it's intended. And we're hearing from our HPP athletes that it's definitely being received as personal. As I mentioned a couple times already, freedom of speech is a two way responsibility. We all have the right to express our thoughts in public, but we also have a responsibility to do so in a way that is not harmful to others.

But thank you for proving one of my points. Many if not most of the harsh commentaries posted have been based on partial knowledge and incorrect facts.

And finally, for those who have posted negative comments about how the junior men's team was managed at worlds, here's an excerpt from a note received yesterday from someone who was there and does know all the facts. "Sure wish there was a medal for curling valor - Korey earned it. What a guy - what a curler - what a teammate!"

Sure wish Shelley and I had been able to be there to share in the team's great experience!

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Truth be told, I want quite a few things out of HP athletes. One of them is that they are smart enough to not read and respond to things posted on a curling message board. What are you doing Korey? Right or wrong, do you not understand how the internet works?

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The athletes are tops. They work hard and deserve better than half-vast meddling. When I described what happened to the U.S. mens juniors to an international team junior coach, he was aghast. And he DID believe that team dynamics is crucial to performance -- something that doesn't happen in a game or two. Mention of Derek causes eye rolls. I guess our HPP leader lives in a world with a different color sky.

I'm having a hard time envisioning a Canadian HP coach doing what was done to the US men juniors. The team earns kudos for putting up with this nonsense professionally.

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Isn't it rather ironic that every Canadian team has a "team leader", a level 4 or level 5 high performance coach, at, and leading up to, every world championship and it has never hurt any Canadian team or their performance, while a similar system only "hurts" American teams.

Why is it that a High Performance Program only hurts American teams and not Canadian teams?



Murphy, the essential difference (Golly, I feel like a traitor ) is that the Canadian teams are not "assembled" by some Central Authority-mygawd, the US System is almost East German-except for the drugs).

Our rinks assemble themselves-you don't see :
1 from Newfoundland,
1 from Ontario
1 from Manitoba
1 from Alberta

...although a few players have physically "packed up and moved" to a different province for the purpose of joining a new rink.

They live within commuting distance from each other-that enables them to PRACTISE TOGETHER...I'll repeat that...PRACTISE TOGETHER (the key word is "TOGETHER").

I said it elsewhere-you have curling "hotbeds" and areas that are now just starting to develop. I continue to believe that if curling is to reach "The Next Level" we need American teams-note the word "Teams"-plural-that can not only hold their own at the Fords but can WIN...that means sending "Real" rinks. I think that's even more important than the continued growth of the pro circuit-not that there's anything intrinsically bad about that-but a Canada vs US rivalry (like hockey) would get more people watching, either in person or on TV...waiting-even expecting-"Miracle on Ice II"

The countries that "assemble" rinks tend to be small enough that commuting isn't an issue. Canada and the States don't have that luxury.

As far as being a "Traitor" to my "Home and Native Land"...there are two thinks that eventually kill a sport:
1. If your team loses all the time and
2. If your team wins all the time

For many (most?) Canadians, the curling season ends with the Scotties/Brier (especially when the Ford worlds are on the other side of the world.

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Our rinks assemble themselves-you don't see :
1 from Newfoundland,
1 from Ontario
1 from Manitoba
1 from Alberta




Glenn Howard's team lived all over Ontario and seldom, if ever, practiced together.

Carey is a Manitoban curling in Alberta.

Laing is an Ontarian curling in Alberta.

Morris was an Albertan curling in BC.

Nichols was a Newfoundlander curling in Manitoba.

Fry is a Manitoban curling in Newfoundland then in Northern Ontario.

In the 1988 Olympic trials, there were team made up by the CCA, including one with 3 Nova Scotians plus Kim Dolan from PEI and Linda Moore's winning team had Debby Jones and Patti Vande from Manitoba on it as well as having Penny Ryan from a entirely different BC team that the CCA moved to Linda Moore's team. Three of the teams for 1988 Olympic trials were MADE UP BY THE CCA.

The 2006 gold medalists in Turin had 3 from Newfoundland and ..... wait for it ...... Russ Howard from New Brunswick.

Teams for Olympic trials could well have 1 from Newfoundland, 1 from Ontario, 1 from Manitoba, and 1 from Alberta, and nothing stops that from happening at the Brier or STOH in the current "free agent" environment..

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"But, but the Canadian teams don't do it this way."

Yeah, the Canadian teams actually win medals, something USA teams haven't done for some time either.



Except for Team Canada, who won the Brier after changing skips in the middle of it, just as the US junior men did at worlds.

The CCA appointed High Performance Program in Canada which helps Canadian teams (and American "thinking" lets a similar program hurt American teams) is made up of:

HIGH PERFORMANCE


Gerry Peckham
Director, high performance

Gary Coderre
National team coach junior
men

Elaine Dagg-Jackson
National team coach women

Jen Ferris
NCCP transition consultant

Wayne Kiel, Rob Krepps,
Helen Radford, Marcel Rocque,
Melissa Soligo
National team program
consultants

Rick Lang
National team coach men

Wendy Morgan
National program co-ordinator
wheelchair

Joe Rea
National team coach
wheelchair

Andrea Ronnebeck
National team coach junior
women

Bill Tschirhart
National team coach seniors

Jim Waite
National team coach mixed

Paul Webster
National development coach

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Except for Team Canada, who won the Brier after changing skips in the middle of it, just as the US junior men did at worlds.



MASSSSSSSSSSIVE difference...

Team Canada decided internally (per http://truenorthbill.blogspot.com/2...erent-team.html ) who was on their team, who took what roles, who was the coach and what time was appropriate to make the switch.

The US Junior Men's team made...well...none of those decisions...the 5th was foisted upon them by the HPP Leadership, the coach was forced upon them by HPP rules, and the switch was made by the HPP Coach.

These are apples to oranges comparisons.

A team deciding inside itself that making a move is appropriate is not a bad thing.

An external influence forcing a team to make a move is a bad thing.

But, what can you expect from an HPP leadership who was fired from coaching in another nation for mismanagement...oh...and sued about it even.

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MASSSSSSSSSSIVE difference...

Team Canada decided internally (per http://truenorthbill.blogspot.com/2...erent-team.html ) who was on their team, who took what roles, who was the coach and what time was appropriate to make the switch.

The US Junior Men's team made...well...none of those decisions...the 5th was foisted upon them by the HPP Leadership, the coach was forced upon them by HPP rules, and the switch was made by the HPP Coach.

These are apples to oranges comparisons.

A team deciding inside itself that making a move is appropriate is not a bad thing.

An external influence forcing a team to make a move is a bad thing.

But, what can you expect from an HPP leadership who was fired from coaching in another nation for mismanagement...oh...and sued about it even.



You post a source for the Canadian decision but not one for the US decision. Where are you getting your facts?

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Forced adding of a fifth, accepting HPP coaches, and conceding team authority to the HPP program are all in the USCA Conditions of play for National Championships leading to World Competition.

If you don't sign the contract acceding to those conditions, you don't get to be team USA.

QED.

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Forced adding of a fifth, accepting HPP coaches, and conceding team authority to the HPP program are all in the USCA Conditions of play for National Championships leading to World Competition.

If you don't sign the contract acceding to those conditions, you don't get to be team USA.

QED.



QED?

I believe the latin phrase you are looking for is post hoc, ergo propter hoc.

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QED

Q.E.D. = Quod Erot Demonstradum - Latin for "that which was to be demonstrated." Used to signify the end of a mathematical proof.
Nice usage!


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QED?

I believe the latin phrase you are looking for is post hoc, ergo propter hoc.

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Re: QED

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Q.E.D. = Quod Erot Demonstradum - Latin for "that which was to be demonstrated." Used to signify the end of a mathematical proof.
Nice usage!





congrats on your ability to use google. now try googling post hoc, ergo propter hoc and see if you can understand what I meant by putting a question mark at the end of QED.

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I googled both and Brushing wins best and most appropriate use of a latin phrase!

Alan-It is pretty sad that the USCA rules dictate that the world teams are controlled by the HP and lineup changes can be made by the HP but I don't think anyone in this forum was in the meetings leading up to the changes made at worlds. Past experience leads us to believe that it could happen they way you think it did but that's a long way from proof.

Bottom line is 5 great guys went to Estonia and did a good job of representing the USA! A couple more breaks and things going their way and they could have been in the playoffs. Same for the ladies team!

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A vocal few continue to base harsh opinion on uninformed assumptions rather than on confirmed facts. The facts would indeed tell a very different story. But to their credit, the players and coaches are steering clear of this quagmire.

Thank you to those who maintained an open mind and cheered on Teams USA at Jr. Worlds! They are on their way home. Please welcome them back into our clubs and make their efforts feel greatly appreciated. They have earned our wholehearted support and respect.


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Unfortunately, most folks have no option but to guess at "the confirmed facts." And, having said that, criticizing the process and cheering for Team USA at Jr Worlds are not mutually exclusive.

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A vocal few continue to base harsh opinion on uninformed assumptions rather than on confirmed facts. The facts would indeed tell a very different story. But to their credit, the players and coaches are steering clear of this quagmire.



Since we're spouting Latin, based on looking at the lineups in the official results, 4 different shooting/skipping/vicing orders in 5 games is, prima facie, a coaching staff that does not have any sort of plan. Also not sure how a coach (or team, for that matter) arrives at a 5 game benching on the basis of one game, again, just looking at the listed rotations in the WCF official results.

Unfortunately it would seem that the on-the-ground facts would help to explain what the heck was going on, but anyone with skin in the program seems to be unwilling to shed any light on the goings on, which just heightens the sense of non-accountability of the HP Program to the rest of "us".

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