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04-11-17 01:25AM
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It's safe to say Homan Jones Sweeting Englot Scheidegger Flaxey all have secured their direct berth to ROTR. The last spot comes down to the outcome at the players. Fleury's realistic chance is to hope that either Englot goes further than Sweeting in the playoffs, or Sweeting cannnot make the playoffs while Scheidegger secures at least 2 wins in RR, or Scheidegger at least being on par with Sweeting. Either case Sweeting will have to take the 15-17 total spot and Fleury will secure the final spot. Or they can count on themselves to win the players, which is highly unlikely.

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Although there are always surprises, I mean who expected Michelle Englot in her 50s and slapped together with a new team as a replacement to almost win her first Scotties, the only teams I can really imagine winning the Roar are Homan and Jones. Right now I would put it at 65% Homan, 25% Jones, 10% everyone else combined

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As the players winds down, I would like to see some contingencies about who is IN and who is OUT of the ROTR in Ottawa based on these results, and of course the Champions Cup at the end of the month. In particular. where does Scheidegger stand? She is coming on strong. I suspect she will be in Charlottetown, but does her positive performance affect any others in contention?

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Although there are always surprises, I mean who expected Michelle Englot in her 50s and slapped together with a new team as a replacement to almost win her first Scotties, the only teams I can really imagine winning the Roar are Homan and Jones. Right now I would put it at 65% Homan, 25% Jones, 10% everyone else combined


WOW, I wouldn't put any team above 50% to win.

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If Sheidegger goes as far or further than Sweeting in the playoffs then Englot AND Fleury are in. If Sweeting goes further than Fleury needs to win the Player's to take Englot spot.

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If Sheidegger goes as far or further than Sweeting in the playoffs then Englot AND Fleury are in. If Sweeting goes further than Fleury needs to win the Player's to take Englot spot.


Well that's a massive if, cause they are playing Silvana and are likely to lose.

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According to Curling Canada's ranking, Fleury is through to the trials while Carey is in the pre-trials...

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I think Carey got the 2-year CRTS spot over Fleury

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According to Curling Canada's ranking, Fleury is through to the trials while Carey is in the pre-trials...

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Incorrect. Fleury is beating Carey in the current year points, but Carey has more in the two year spot. Remember, spots are filled in order. Homan, Jones, Flaxey, and Sweeting already qualified, so the 2 year spot goes to Carey. Fleury needed to win the Players in order to get enough points to pass Carey in the 2 year spot. If Scheidegger had passed Sweeting in the current year standings, then Casey would have gotten the 2017 Scotties spot, Val would have taken the 2 year spot, and Chelsea would have been in the pre-trials.

If there were no more events played:

2015 Canada Cup winner - Homan
2016 Scotties - Jones (replaced Carey)
2016 Canada Cup - Flaxey (replaced Jones)
2017 Scotties - Sweeting (replaced Homan)
CTRS 2015-17 - Carey
CTRS 2016-17 - Scheidegger
CTRS 2016-17 - Englot

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Fleury can still pass Carey in the 2 year spot next season though.

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Do the two-year rankings mean the curling seasons of 2015-2016 and 2016-2017 or results from the 24 months prior to the ROTR pre-qualifying event in PEI?

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Fleury can still pass Carey in the 2 year spot next season though.


Nope. The cutoff is May 1st or 5th, 2017, depending on which Curl Canada release is correct. The first seven teams for the ROTR will be selected next month. The 12 teams for the RTTR will be shown right after. How a team starts the 2017-18 season has no bearing on the standings.

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Why does it say Flaxey gets in cause she won the Canada Cup when she wasn't even there?

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If there were no more events played:
2015 Canada Cup winner - Homan
2016 Scotties - Jones (replaced Carey)
2016 Canada Cup - Flaxey (replaced Jones)
2017 Scotties - Sweeting (replaced Homan)
CTRS 2015-17 - Carey
CTRS 2016-17 - Scheidegger
CTRS 2016-17 - Englot



maybe I am thick - but if there was a birth to ROTR from the 2016 Scotties and Carey won that Grand Prairie event - uhm... how come Jones name is beside that berth. I am sure there is a reason.

Also, who is in contention for RTTR - since that will be announced in a few weeks, I am wondering who is on the cusp of making it.

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Why does it say Flaxey gets in cause she won the Canada Cup when she wasn't even there?


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maybe I am thick - but if there was a birth to ROTR from the 2016 Scotties and Carey won that Grand Prairie event - uhm... how come Jones name is beside that berth. I am sure there is a reason.

Also, who is in contention for RTTR - since that will be announced in a few weeks, I am wondering who is on the cusp of making it.



Read this: http://www.tsn.ca/qualifying-for-th...trials-1.608939

Then, click the link on the page to read this: http://www.curling.ca/team-canada/2...cation-process/

If those still don't help, then read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_..._Curling_Trials

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Read this: http://www.tsn.ca/qualifying-for-th...trials-1.608939

Then, click the link on the page to read this: http://www.curling.ca/team-canada/2...cation-process/

If those still don't help, then read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_..._Curling_Trials



But shouldn't it be the next highest placing team at the CC not already in, cause it looks really weird to say Flaxey when they weren't even there, plus don't they do this with the TOH.

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Read this: http://www.tsn.ca/qualifying-for-th...trials-1.608939
Then, click the link on the page to read this: http://www.curling.ca/team-canada/2...cation-process/
If those still don't help, then read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_..._Curling_Trials


Thanks Squiggs.
And I assume this list: http://www.curling.ca/team-canada/c...tandings-women/ gives us the final 12 for Charlottetown - down to #19... unless something changes over the next couple of weeks.

I get that if an event-based berth is forfeited by an already-qualified team that it should go to the next in CTRS standings rather than a runner-up at the event. Points are hard-earned, event performance can be flash-in-the-pan. The only exception to this is the Scotties and Brier, I guess, should the champion go to the Olympics - the runner-up becomes Team Canada - No? But it is different than the other big curling.ca events, I guess, and does not impact on entry into OlyTrials.

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But shouldn't it be the next highest placing team at the CC not already in, cause it looks really weird to say Flaxey when they weren't even there, plus don't they do this with the TOH.



In the words of Michael Scott, "NO! God. No. God, please .... no. No! NO! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

It's right on the links I sent you. "This trials berth will be replaced by the highest unqualified team on the 2016-17 CTRS at the conclusion of the season"

Homan is slot one. Jones is slot two. Jones won the Canada Cup. Because Jones is already slot two, you look at the 2016-17 CTRS standings. The standings are 1. Homan (slot one) 2. Jones (slot two) 3. Flaxey

Flaxey is the highest unqualified team on the 2016-17 CTRS at the conclusion of the season. It has absolutley nothing to do with whether they played in the Canada Cup or not. It doesn't matter what they do for Team Canada at the STOH. This isn't rocket science. It's not even a puzzle. It's just following directions and simple logic.

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In the words of Michael Scott, "NO! God. No. God, please .... no. No! NO! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

It's right on the links I sent you. "This trials berth will be replaced by the highest unqualified team on the 2016-17 CTRS at the conclusion of the season"

Homan is slot one. Jones is slot two. Jones won the Canada Cup. Because Jones is already slot two, you look at the 2016-17 CTRS standings. The standings are 1. Homan (slot one) 2. Jones (slot two) 3. Flaxey

Flaxey is the highest unqualified team on the 2016-17 CTRS at the conclusion of the season. It has absolutley nothing to do with whether they played in the Canada Cup or not. It doesn't matter what they do for Team Canada at the STOH. This isn't rocket science. It's not even a puzzle. It's just following directions and simple logic.



I know what it is, I'm saying it doesn't really make sense if you want someone from the CC, but don't actually have someone from the CC, instead you then go by the rankings, so then the CC becomes meaningless.

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I know what it is, I'm saying it doesn't really make sense if you want someone from the CC, but don't actually have someone from the CC, you then go by the rankings, so then the CC becomes meaningless.



You need to lay off the drugs. It makes perfect sense. It's not meaningless, if the winner is different than the previous slots. It's how Carruthers got their spot. If you win it, you're in. If you've already got a spot, then it goes to the highest team on the tour. This gives the spot to someone that performed well over an entire year. If it went to the next highest person, then Kerri Einarson would have gotten the spot for having a 3-3 record. Do you really think that Kerri deserves a spot for having a 3-3 record? I sure don't.

The 2017 Scotties berth could have been awarded to the 4th place finisher, if the top three teams already had a spot. The ROTR is supposed to be the best teams. The 4th place finisher at the Scotties or Brier shouldn't get a spot, just for finishing 4th. This is what happened at the 2005 trials, and you had guys like Jay Peachey and Shawn Adams getting direct berths. Peachey won a tie breaker at the 2004 Brier to get his berth. I can't find how Adams or Cotter made it in. They made big changes to the qualification process after that year.

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You need to lay off the drugs. It makes perfect sense. It's not meaningless, if the winner is different than the previous slots. It's how Carruthers got their spot. If you win it, you're in. If you've already got a spot, then it goes to the highest team on the tour. This gives the spot to someone that performed well over an entire year. If it went to the next highest person, then Kerri Einarson would have gotten the spot for having a 3-3 record. Do you really think that Kerri deserves a spot for having a 3-3 record? I sure don't.

The 2017 Scotties berth could have been awarded to the 4th place finisher, if the top three teams already had a spot. The ROTR is supposed to be the best teams. The 4th place finisher at the Scotties or Brier shouldn't get a spot, just for finishing 4th. This is what happened at the 2005 trials, and you had guys like Jay Peachey and Shawn Adams getting direct berths. Peachey won a tie breaker at the 2004 Brier to get his berth. I can't find how Adams or Cotter made it in. They made big changes to the qualification process after that year.



Oh yeah, really mature, if you knew anything you would know my name has nothing to do with drugs. It's totally meaningless if it's done by rankings and not by the event, if it was done by the event then Einarson should/would get that spot, but they don't, so it's therefore meaningless, pretty simple logic there. 2 Things, the CC is supposed to be a very difficult event with not many teams, so yes 3-3 is acceptable, but not only that, they won a TB to get into the SF.

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Oh yeah, really mature, if you knew anything you would know my name has nothing to do with drugs. It's totally meaningless if it's done by rankings and not by the event, if it was done by the event then Einarson should/would get that spot, but they don't, so it's therefore meaningless, pretty simple logic there. 2 Things, the CC is supposed to be a very difficult event with not many teams, so yes 3-3 is acceptable, but not only that, they won a TB to get into the SF.



At this point I assume you are just trolling. No one can be that dense.

I don't see how hard it is to figure out. If you win the Canada Cup you get in. The event is not meaningless, as if you don't already have a spot, you can get one for winning. The reason they don't just give it to the next in line from the event, is if a few teams decline to go to the Canada Cup, and then some terrible team goes 3-3 and gets in. Look at the 2010 men's Canada Cup. Serge Reid, Matt Camm, Rob Fowler, Brent Bawel were all there. You're telling me one of those guys should have the possibility of getting in for going 3-3? That's horrific.

If they had worded the 3rd berth as, "Top 2016-17 CTRS team not already qualified, unless the winner of the 2016 Canada Cup has not already qualified, then then Canada Cup winner receives this spot", would it make you happier? You're basically arguing over semantics, or arguing for the sake of arguing. Curl Canada is giving a berth for the top team on tour, unless someone wins the spot before by winning the Canada Cup.

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It makes perfect sense. It's not meaningless, if the winner is different than the previous slots. It's how Carruthers got their spot. If you win it, you're in. If you've already got a spot, then it goes to the highest team on the tour. This gives the spot to someone that performed well over an entire year. If it went to the next highest person, then Kerri Einarson would have gotten the spot for having a 3-3 record. Do you really think that Kerri deserves a spot for having a 3-3 record? I sure don't.

The 2017 Scotties berth could have been awarded to the 4th place finisher, if the top three teams already had a spot. The ROTR is supposed to be the best teams. The 4th place finisher at the Scotties or Brier shouldn't get a spot, just for finishing 4th. This is what happened at the 2005 trials, and you had guys like Jay Peachey and Shawn Adams getting direct berths. Peachey won a tie breaker at the 2004 Brier to get his berth. I can't find how Adams or Cotter made it in. They made big changes to the qualification process after that year.



Good explanation and I totally agree with the changes CCA made after the last trials. Giving a berth to the highest ranked team makes sense and I do think when you have a good year on tour... a team deserves any rewards. So far the system seems good and that doesn't happen very often.

I agree that giving a berth to a second, third or fourth ranked team in an event can be harmful... not to say that it can't be good, just that it has a greater chance of being bad... but giving a berth to a team that has proven success over an entire year is a lot smarter.

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The 7 women's teams for the ROTR have been finalized. The first number below is the Olympic seed, and the bracketed number is the 2016-17 standing.

1 (1) Homan
2 (2) Jones
3 (3) Flaxey
4 (4) Sweeting
5 (9) Carey
6 (5) Scheidegger
7 (6) Englot

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Since the direct berths into the pre-trials were all won by teams that qualified directly to the ROTR, the first 10 teams are the top 10 teams on the 2016-17 CTRS, not already in the trials.

1. Fleury
2. Middaugh
3. Harrison
4. Tippin
5. Rocque
6. Einarson
7. McCarville
8. Kleibrink
9. Chyz
10 Thompson

Spots 11 & 12 go to two year CTRS points leaders, not already qualified. They are:
11. Robertson
12. Meilleur

I don't know if any of these teams are breaking up, reorganizing, and/or staying together. If there are no changes, those should be the 12 teams at the pre-trials.

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