Like CurlingZone on Facebook
 
 
   
Welcome to CurlingZone, Guest!   Register Now!    
Already a member?   Login:              Forgot Password?
ProCurlingWear - Look & Play Like a Pro
Disclaimer: CurlingZone does not represent or endorse the accuracy or reliability of any Content posted on any Forums area and you acknowledge that any reliance upon such Content shall be at your sole risk. Any Content placed on any Forums area by users and anonymous posters are the views of the user posting the statement, and do not represent the views of CurlingZone or our partners, advertisers or sponsors. By posting anonymously, you are allowing your IP address to be displayed for identification purposes. CurlingZone reserves the right to remove any post at its discretion without warning or explanation.
Pages (3): « 1 2 [3]   Last Thread   Next Thread
Author
Thread Post New Thread    Post A Reply
alex
Hitting Paint

Registered: Sep 2011
Location: Quesnel
Posts: 186

I agree it is a cash grab. If three teams tied why do two get such a big advantage? Many different scenarios but they can't be avoided with a round robin and it does seem to be the format of choice for a Canadian championship.

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Old Post 02-26-17 02:04PM
alex is offline Click Here to See the Profile for alex Click here to Send alex a Private Message Find more posts by alex Add alex to your buddy list Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Frozencanuck
Harvey Hacksmasher

Registered: Jan 2015
Location:
Posts: 61

Is it me?

So now Northern Ontario, who defeated Team Canada in a playoff match will have to play Team Canada again for the Bronze, and Manitoba, who defeated Ontario in a playoff match will have to play Ontario again for the gold.

I can't be the only person who sees how ridiculous this is.

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Old Post 02-26-17 02:47PM
Frozencanuck is offline Click Here to See the Profile for Frozencanuck Click here to Send Frozencanuck a Private Message Find more posts by Frozencanuck Add Frozencanuck to your buddy list Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
CURLING NUTS
Swing Artist

Registered: Nov 2004
Location:
Posts: 217

my $0.02 again

3 teams in the playoffs, semi and then final. Marginal teams with questionable records, should not be included in ties breakers (eg. 5-4). What so often occurs, is that 6-7 teams are still in the running for a playoff birth, after the round robin. That in it self, discounts the importance of the round robin.

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Old Post 03-07-17 09:13AM
CURLING NUTS is offline Click Here to See the Profile for CURLING NUTS Click here to Send CURLING NUTS a Private Message Visit CURLING NUTS's homepage! Find more posts by CURLING NUTS Add CURLING NUTS to your buddy list Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Gerry
CZ Founder

Registered: Sep 2002
Location: London, Ontario
Posts: 3885

While I don't agree the Page is the best format, it does do what you're saying and make the Round Robin more important while at the same time giving more teams a chance at the playoffs.

Finishing first or second is a huge advantage in the Page system as you only need to win 2 games of which only 1 is sudden death. Coming out of the 3/4 is uncommon as teams have to play 3 sudden death games to win the event.

As for format, I'd rather see a floating playoff structure based on the standings. If someone is well clear of the field they should get a bye directly to the final. If there's two teams with a game of each other at the top or tied, use the page. If there's 3-4 teams all grouped together, the straight SF and Final format makes more sense.

__________________
CurlingZone
Everything...Curling!

Please click on our sponsors' banners periodically, as visiting their sites helps keep CurlingZone.com Free!

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Old Post 03-07-17 09:25AM
Gerry is offline Click Here to See the Profile for Gerry Click here to Send Gerry a Private Message Visit Gerry's homepage! Find more posts by Gerry Add Gerry to your buddy list Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
CURLING NUTS
Swing Artist

Registered: Nov 2004
Location:
Posts: 217

Thumbs up

quote:
As for format, I'd rather see a floating playoff structure based on the standings. If someone is well clear of the field they should get a bye directly to the final. If there's two teams with a game of each other at the top or tied, use the page. If there's 3-4 teams all grouped together, the straight SF and Final format makes more sense. [/B]



Yup !

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Old Post 03-07-17 09:42AM
CURLING NUTS is offline Click Here to See the Profile for CURLING NUTS Click here to Send CURLING NUTS a Private Message Visit CURLING NUTS's homepage! Find more posts by CURLING NUTS Add CURLING NUTS to your buddy list Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
curler2014
Harvey Hacksmasher

Registered: Dec 2014
Location:
Posts: 58

The problem with the top team going directly to the final is that they don't get to play any other game with just one sheet in action and most likely the fullest arena. You can argue that the best team should be able to handle this, but ice conditions are different and it's an unfair advantage for the team coming through the semi.

I really disagree with it in the juniors that employ the one semi and winner plays top seed where the games are now televised. These kids play well with 4 or 5 sheets all week, now they cover them up with carpet, put in bleachers and put cameras in their face. The team that won the semi has a HUGE advantage in the final given they aren't deer in headlights.

While the page is not a perfect set up, I feel it is best of all formats possible. No system is perfect, and I think this one has the least wrong with it.

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Old Post 03-07-17 09:58AM
curler2014 is offline Click Here to See the Profile for curler2014 Click here to Send curler2014 a Private Message Find more posts by curler2014 Add curler2014 to your buddy list Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Clappy
Harvey Hacksmasher

Registered: Feb 2017
Location: Livonia, MI
Posts: 34

They might be at a disadvantage in the finals if that is their only game. But, if they have to play through the normal page system...assuming that most playoff teams are very close in skill level. They only have about a 37.5% chance of winning. I highly doubt they lose that much equity by being forced to only play one game in the playoffs.

I bet if you ask any first place team if they'd rather be put right in the finals, and not be as fresh as their opponent...or play one or two games prior and possibly be eliminated...they'll take the ticket to the finals.

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Old Post 03-07-17 10:04AM
Clappy is offline Click Here to See the Profile for Clappy Click here to Send Clappy a Private Message Find more posts by Clappy Add Clappy to your buddy list Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
All times are GMT. The time now is . Post New Thread    Post A Reply
Pages (3): « 1 2 [3]   Last Thread   Next Thread
Show Printable Version | Email this Page | Subscribe to this Thread

Forum Jump:
 

Forum Rules:
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is OFF
vB code is ON
Smilies are ON
[IMG] code is ON
 
Eastern Time (ET)
Full Scoreboard  |  Play Fantasy Pick'em!  
Click Event to Show Scoreboard
W: CCT Arctic Cup
Eastern Time (ET)
Full Scoreboard  |  Play Fantasy Pick'em!  

MOST RECENT CZ FORUM POSTS

U.S.A. Curling
2017-18 High Performance Program
Playdowns
Men's ROTR Qualifying for Ottawa ( 1 2 3 )
U.S.A. Curling
USA Olympic Trials teams selected
World Curling Tour
Jennifer Jones Loves to Curl - heading to Siberia ( 1 2 )
Alberta Curling
Looking for competitive womens team to join
U.S.A. Curling
Summer Ramblings
Manitoba Curling
Rare Openings in Fort Rouge Evening Leagues
Fantasy Curling
Fantasy Pick'em
Players/Teams Classifieds
Looking for a men's competitive team in Ottawa
Women's Curling Tour
2017 Arctic Cup
Playdowns
Winter Olympics PyeongChang2018
Players/Teams Classifieds
Looking to fill 2017/18 U21 Womens team
Manitoba Curling
Curl Fort Rouge 2017 / 2018
BC Curling
'New' Playdown Format?
Players/Teams Classifieds
Competitive Women's team/Minnesota
Rock Talk
Lethbridge Curling Club Manager
Rock Talk
World Series of Curling
Manitoba Curling
Manitoba shuffle 2017/2018 ( 1 2 )
Playdowns
Women's ROTR Qualifiying for Ottawa ( 1 2 3 4 )
Job Postings
Virden Curling Club Tender - Manager
Rock Talk
Melissa Martin named Canada's Top Columnist
Rock Talk
Mean Tweets Sheet Show
Rock Talk
Mixed Doubles ( 1 2 3 4 )
World Curling Tour
Humpty's Champions Cup
The Pit
2017 Kentucky Derby
Rock Talk
Earliest Olympic Trials Predictions EVER
U.S.A. Curling
2017 Arena Nationals ( 1 2 )
U.S.A. Curling
World Mixed Doubles
Rock Talk
Curling Shoes
Rock Talk
Everest Curling Classic - August 2017
World Curling Tour
2017 European Masters
Rock Talk
Costly Loss at Worlds
Rock Talk
It's time to crack down on International teams ( 1 2 3 )
U.S.A. Curling
USA Curling Trials (lodging, tickets, rental cars)
World Curling Tour
continue broadcasting Gushe game at 6-0
Rock Talk
Access on I Pad
Rock Talk
Team Homan Raffle
U.S.A. Curling
Bucks County Improvements
Gear Zone/Classifieds
Goldline Quantum X Men's Curling Shoes - Size 9 for Sale
Rock Talk
Which skill is most important ( 1 2 )
Rock Talk
Curling in Canada 1937 lecture by Gordon Hudson
Playdowns
Mixed Doubles Playdowns ( 1 2 3 )
Rock Talk
Is there a consensus best ever ( 1 2 )
World Curling Tour
2017 Players' Championship ( 1 2 3 4 )
Rock Talk
Senior Woman - Looking to join a team
U.S.A. Curling
World Men's and Women's ( 1 2 3