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let's not forget that the US champions regardless of points still receive a berth in the Champions Cup, which will be almost certainly an equally strong field as worlds

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Tuck I agree that some points need to go to Continental Teams. But moving away from that argument, here is a quick synopsis of how Team USA for worlds works right now. It was changed for this year, and I think that it is better than it used to be, could be better still, but OK for now.

First Situation
As of January 24 (or when OOM pts are updated for this weekends events), if you are Top 25 in OOM YTD points, then it is Win at nationals and you go to worlds. This is based upon 8 events, like OOM uses. Looks like for this year that will only apply to McCormick and Roth, with Brown having an outside chance needing to at least make the playoffs this weekend. Sinclair seems to have lost that by going to the Continental Cup rather than going to Europe last weekend.

Second Situation
National Champ was not in first situation (win and go). They award points for the US Nationals (First – 110 points, second – 85 points and third 65 points). Then they look at Top 3 finishers at Nationals. Whoever has most OOM points is team USA for world champs. However, there is a slight catch. OOM normally uses best 8 events. But if we get to this, they look at only a teams best 6 events, and of those 6, only 4 can be US based events.

So no one has to click to find it, here are the current US standings (I don’t think that I missed anyone but apologize in advance if I did).

Men
McCormick – 19 – 159pts
Brown – 26 – 117pts
Shuster – 29 – 109pts
Clark – 32 – 97pts
Fenson – 76 – 40pts

Women
Roth – 19 – 154pts
Sinclair – 29 – 113pts
Christensen – 32 – 92pts
Shultz – 69 – 46pts



So if Sinclair defeats Roth in the finals they don't get to go to the World's. Crazy. By my math Roth's top 5 OOM = 125.9 and Sinclair's is 94.1 (both include at least two non-USA events). Throw in the 25 pt differential for the Nationals and Sinclair can't catch Roth if she beats Roth in the finals. Wow, say what you will about a Champions Cup entry but can you imagine what that would feel like before the game started? You'd be sick in the pit of your gut knowing the win gets you a paper title at best.

Top level US curling is pretty good. They should just let the Nationals winner go to the World's no questions asked. The chances of some "unknown" team winning it is pretty slim. At this point USA curling is getting in the way of its own HPP program by having one HPP team potentially "rob" another HPP team of its world's birth. Just my two cents.

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So if Sinclair defeats Roth in the finals they don't get to go to the World's. Crazy.



It's possible the same could happen if Shuster beat McCormick in the finals on the men's side. (Current gap between the two is 50 points.)

Shuster is at 109 OOM points year to date. 25th place is 120 points, but it's almost certain to increase this weekend, as a number of teams in th3 25-40 range are in action in Arizona and Germany.

The Arizona event should have an SFM rating of around 5, meaning the winner would get around 35 OOM points. If Shuster can make the finals of the event, he should make it to the top 25. If he loses in the semifinals, it's dicey.

Shuster vs. McCormick is scheduled for 11:00 a.m. Mountain time on Friday. Hopefully it will be available for streaming. The winner gets a big edge in qualifying out of the round robin.

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