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Re Earle - I recall it was probably the last game that he coached her when she was doing well and called a time out which brings out the coach. As he made his way out, she said to her team, "I really don't need him, I just want to tell him what I'm going to do". Have not been a fan of hers ever since. I felt embarrassed for Earle who is such a gentleman who has given much to curling.

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It was with some trepidation that I visited curlingzone after a successful female team lost a game they were favoured to win.

I never imagined it would descend to this level of disgrace. Just horrible.

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It was with some trepidation that I visited curlingzone after a successful female team lost a game they were favoured to win.

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It was with some trepidation that I visited curlingzone after a successful female team lost a game they were favoured to win.

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Why did you bold type the word female?

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Re: A new era.

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Successful women get far more criticism than successful men, especially for stuff like demeanor. It happened with Jennifer Jones, it even happened with Colleen Jones and yes it happens with Homan too.

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The venom spewed in the original post easily betrays that the original poster was simply waiting - perhaps for years - to write it, and so in his/her own mind claim a twisted sort of 'victory'.

It's ironic (and hopelessly transparent) that the original poster accuses others of pro-Homan bias when he/she displays a decided, pent-up (perhaps for years) very, very anti-Homan bias - and even an irrational anti-Homan rage.

As for the 'new era' claim... Yes, obviously this is the end of the Homan team as we knew it. Never again will they win anything beyond a tiny club championship. They have, alas, been revealed for the very weak team that they are, having been merely lucky to have won so much over the past 10 years or so, going back to their time in Juniors.
Indeed this is a 'new era' - one where the Hanna team will carry the Ontario torch for the next decade - at least -, and where the Homan rink will never again represent Ontario or Canada at any level of competition.
Such is how the original poster's dream script goes, in any case.

In reality, the Homan team lost today because they played poorly and their opposition played better and deserved to win. To see any more than that into it is to have a personal agenda.

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The venom spewed in the original post easily betrays that the original poster was simply waiting - perhaps for years - to write it, and so in his/her own mind claim a twisted sort of 'victory'.

It's ironic (and hopelessly transparent) that the original poster accuses others of pro-Homan bias when he/she displays a decided, pent-up (perhaps for years) very, very anti-Homan bias - and even an irrational anti-Homan rage.

As for the 'new era' claim... Yes, obviously this is the end of the Homan team as we knew it. Never again will they win anything beyond a tiny club championship. They have, alas, been revealed for the very weak team that they are, having been merely lucky to have won so much over the past 10 years or so, going back to their time in Juniors.
Indeed this is a 'new era' - one where the Hanna team will carry the Ontario torch for the next decade - at least -, and where the Homan rink will never again represent Ontario or Canada at any level of competition.
Such is how the original poster's dream script goes, in any case.

In reality, the Homan team lost today because they played poorly and their opposition played better and deserved to win. To see any more than that into it is to have a personal agenda.

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I don't know how I feel about this post, let me start out by saying I am one of Team Homan's biggest fans, but I have to agree to the fact that they come off as really standoffish girls. I don't think they mean to come across the way they do but they just do. I feel like when they lost Alison, they really lost the heart and soul of their team, as Ali was the one people loved because of her sweetness and likability. They picked up Courtney who is pretty much a robot in my opinion and lost a bunch of fans and team chemistry. Their team used to seem like four good girls who genuinely loved each other and curled awesome, now it seems they are more business like and no one likes to see that. I felt really torn watching the final today because I always cheer for Homan but I can honestly say I was genuinely happy that Hanna won. I'm fully onboard with this team becoming a legit dynasty, I just wish they would give a little more back to their fans and show a little more appreciation for the legacy of Canadian Curling.
That being said....Best of luck Team Hanna at the Scott, and best of luck to Team Homan the rest of the season.

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Successful women get far more criticism than successful men, especially for stuff like demeanor. It happened with Jennifer Jones, it even happened with Colleen Jones and yes it happens with Homan too.

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The venom spewed in the original post easily betrays that the original poster was simply waiting - perhaps for years - to write it, and so in his/her own mind claim a twisted sort of 'victory'.

It's ironic (and hopelessly transparent) that the original poster accuses others of pro-Homan bias when he/she displays a decided, pent-up (perhaps for years) very, very anti-Homan bias - and even an irrational anti-Homan rage.

As for the 'new era' claim... Yes, obviously this is the end of the Homan team as we knew it. Never again will they win anything beyond a tiny club championship. They have, alas, been revealed for the very weak team that they are, having been merely lucky to have won so much over the past 10 years or so, going back to their time in Juniors.
Indeed this is a 'new era' - one where the Hanna team will carry the Ontario torch for the next decade - at least -, and where the Homan rink will never again represent Ontario or Canada at any level of competition.
Such is how the original poster's dream script goes, in any case.

In reality, the Homan team lost today because they played poorly and their opposition played better and deserved to win. To see any more than that into it is to have a personal agenda.

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A male team was subject to some vitriol last year - Team Kean from the behavior of some of the team members towards the skip to the time his team left him after the Brier...I think Homan's loss was a shock to most. I will agree with the poster who noted that when Ali K left the team, some spark went out. They'll rebound and learn from this...IMO I think the heavy schedule before the Provincials (skins, Continental Cup) may have played a factor.

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well said, "on the nose" - Team Homan is indeed a paradox. The @friendly points add up harshly. The team seems well liked and respected among the other athletes. She got funding for many years and that always helps. Among the men, I find Simmons similarly standoffish in his demeanour and so have trouble cheering his team on as well. I think we expect a different charisma from champion curlers. Our expectations are, however, irrelevant. I hope team Hanna has a good event so those who dismiss their wins as two losses by stronger teams, are proved incorrect. I get a charge from the posters that remind us of teams like Thompson, Hanna, Fletschler and others who work full time, curl without funding, and still hit the provincial (or world) podium.

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To the "Friendly Canuck" who started this thread. You are not a Homan fan and that's fine. It certainly would not be expected that everyone would be. However, the vitriol that you spewed out there was certainly not necessary. I hope those young girls don't read these forums because posts like that are ignorant and hurtful at best. (Certainly not very friendly). And the people who replied that it was a good post....really?! Shame on you.

Team Homan lost that game because they did not play well. Simple as that. But to jump on curling zone and say such negative things about them (mostly Homan) is unfair. She might have lost this game, but she won lots of others and over the time this team provided loads of entertaining shots and memorable curling moments. And strictly from a curling viewer perspective, that is what I look for....I don't know about the rest of you.

These forums should be fun and informative about all things curling. I do not think they should should be about people oozing negativity and posting things that do nothing more than denigrate others. Not cool!!

ALL these curlers that play competitive curling do so for the love of competition and to further themselves in the game. We, as viewers, are fortunate to be able to live in a country that has the most televised curling and some of the best curlers in the world. Yet, we criticize the players, the commentator and the network providers as well. I think we have alot to be thankful for....why spend time knocking it??? Instead, embrace it and bask in the pure entertainment value that it provides.

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I don't think anyone cheapens the accomplishments--and they're many--of Team Homan. And although the poster may have been a tad unfair in citing the few shots Rachel missed or facing a less than stacked field (i mean, you can only beat who they put in front of you)---I think his criticism of her on-ice demeanor and lack of sportsmanship is fair. I know I lost a lot of respect for them in how they handled the Fleury incident. Telling an opponent 'you can take two if you want' is beyond condescending. You think Fleury doesn't know the rules Emma? And the optics of stealing a player from Val doesn't exactly endear them to me as well. Could they not find another player in Ontario, an up and coming junior star? Lastly, if you can't show some contrition and respect for Earle Morris and Richard Hart---both there to help you realise your dreams of winning championships---then something didn't get instilled along the way.

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and today, after " The Loss" we all got out of bed and went about our normal lives, the earth didn't stop turning, the sun still rose and the only thing that happened was one team lost to another in a sporting event...

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well said, "on the nose" - Team Homan is indeed a paradox. The @friendly points add up harshly. The team seems well liked and respected among the other athletes. She got funding for many years and that always helps. Among the men, I find Simmons similarly standoffish in his demeanour and so have trouble cheering his team on as well. I think we expect a different charisma from champion curlers. Our expectations are, however, irrelevant. I hope team Hanna has a good event so those who dismiss their wins as two losses by stronger teams, are proved incorrect. I get a charge from the posters that remind us of teams like Thompson, Hanna, Fletschler and others who work full time, curl without funding, and still hit the provincial (or world) podium.

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The venom spewed in the original post easily betrays that the original poster was simply waiting - perhaps for years - to write it, and so in his/her own mind claim a twisted sort of 'victory'.

It's ironic (and hopelessly transparent) that the original poster accuses others of pro-Homan bias when he/she displays a decided, pent-up (perhaps for years) very, very anti-Homan bias - and even an irrational anti-Homan rage.

As for the 'new era' claim... Yes, obviously this is the end of the Homan team as we knew it. Never again will they win anything beyond a tiny club championship. They have, alas, been revealed for the very weak team that they are, having been merely lucky to have won so much over the past 10 years or so, going back to their time in Juniors.
Indeed this is a 'new era' - one where the Hanna team will carry the Ontario torch for the next decade - at least -, and where the Homan rink will never again represent Ontario or Canada at any level of competition.
Such is how the original poster's dream script goes, in any case.

In reality, the Homan team lost today because they played poorly and their opposition played better and deserved to win. To see any more than that into it is to have a personal agenda.

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I don't think anyone cheapens the accomplishments--and they're many--of Team Homan. And although the poster may have been a tad unfair in citing the few shots Rachel missed or facing a less than stacked field (i mean, you can only beat who they put in front of you)---I think his criticism of her on-ice demeanor and lack of sportsmanship is fair. I know I lost a lot of respect for them in how they handled the Fleury incident. Telling an opponent 'you can take two if you want' is beyond condescending. You think Fleury doesn't know the rules Emma? And the optics of stealing a player from Val doesn't exactly endear them to me as well. Could they not find another player in Ontario, an up and coming junior star? Lastly, if you can't show some contrition and respect for Earle Morris and Richard Hart---both there to help you realise your dreams of winning championships---then something didn't get instilled along the way.

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RE: Pat Simmons

I have attended many Briers and on more than 1 occasion, I have sat down and shot the breeze with Pat. Pat Simmons is an excellent curler and an even better person. Very friendly and extremely sincere. Very stand up guy.

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Simmons seems fairly standoffish? What?

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Simmons seems fairly standoffish? What?

Pat is well-known as being one of the classiest gentlemen there is, I've always enjoyed playing against him, as has everyone else.

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So how do we know that Rachel does not respect Richard Hart?The only way I would be believe that she does not would be if I asked Richard Hart in person if that was the case and if he said it was so. I'm certainly not going to go by any poster on curling zone or believe all of the "he said she said" stuff that gets posted by anyone ready to jump on any team they don't like. Oh and for whomever said on one of these threads that Simmons is too "stern looking" of something like that. Really?? I've curled against him years ago before he went on to bigger and better things and my opinion is that he is a solid guy. You just can't totally judge a person's character by on ice demeanor and performance.

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