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02-21-17 05:56PM |
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misty1
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quote: Originally posted by decade
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They are also fawning over, Englot and Galusha, w/o JJ, they have turned their attention else where, Did you complain about JJ last year? I know ML didn't
They are t going on about those 2 as much as they are Homan. And yes, I did
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02-21-17 07:24PM |
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curlerbroad
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Less chatter from the peanut gallery so I can listen to the curlers. Although Stacy's (NL Skip) constantly saying sorry was grating. Was the team threatening to slap her everytime she missed?
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02-21-17 07:46PM |
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MostlyLurking
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quote: Originally posted by Manitoba Legend
Curling.ca has screwed up their stat system so positional reports are not available. Guess the people who run the curling are lazy or couldn't find a dupe to run the stats?
Hmmmm. This looks suspiciously like positional stats to me:
http://www.curling.ca/scoreboard/#!...tage_comparison
Lots of stuff under that Reports link
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02-21-17 08:12PM |
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Deliverer
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quote: Originally posted by Squiggsy
In the 2016 final McCarville shot 86% and Carey shot 88%. Based on a 4 point scoring system, and 20 rocks thrown by each, McCarville received 69/80 points, and Carey received 70/80 points. How is 69 average and 70 superb?
Here are the skips' percentages from the past few finals:
2015 Winner: 85% Loser: 88%
2014 Winner: 89% Loser: 71%
2013 Winner: 93% Loser: 84%
2012 Winner: 83% Loser: 78%
2011 Winner: 83% Loser: 68%
2010 Winner: 81% Loser: 78%
From 2010 through 2016, only Sweeting in 2015 had a higher shooting percentage than McCarville in 2016 did for a losing skip. McCarville's shooting percentage was better than 4 of the winning skips in the same time period. She did not come up average.
Interesting analysis. Can hardly wait for Legend's
explanation.
Hope you understand the Legend has never been particularly
strong either stating or interpreting actual facts. ( He
seems to be more in the world of 'alternating facts' like our
friends south of the border.) So even although he typically
pumps out blurbs day and night on an hourly basis, do not
expect any comprehensive response from him any time soon,
if at all!
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02-21-17 10:48PM |
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maybo
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A loss but this Manitoba outfit sure knows how to come from behind. That was entertaining!
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02-22-17 01:30AM |
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Three
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quote: Originally posted by maybo
A loss but this Manitoba outfit sure knows how to come from behind. That was entertaining!
Entertaining in an almost unsatisfactory way if that's possible. Seeing so many misses and half shots is tiresome. Teams are scoring not because of great shot making but because their opponents are missing more shots than they are. This is supposed to be our National Championship, not Tuesday night C Division. This reminds me a lot of last year's Scotties. Lots of suspect curling and questionable strategy. To me it was disappointing that somebody gets a win even though both teams had bad overall games.
The gap between Ontario and the next best teams is enormous. Anything can happen in a one game final but Manitoba, Alberta, Northern Ontario and Canada seem to be getting worse as the week progresses. Should Team Homan not somehow end up winning this the World's will be a disaster for Canada.
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02-22-17 04:32AM |
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GregJP
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Russ and Cheryl can't figure out why there are so many stolen ends. The answer is quite simple. It's a combination of the following factors.
1. four rock rule
2. terrible strategy
3. terrible execution
The four rock rule usually gives the team without hammer a big advantage after the leads have played their rocks. At this point the better mens teams know when to go on the offensive and when to bail when they have hammer.
Almost every team in this competition (maybe all except Ontario) should be bailing sooner and opening up the front because they can't throw up weight accurately enough to do so later in the end.
Or when they actually do use the correct strategy they just aren't executing well enough to leave themselves a reasonable shot to not give up a steal.
So basically you are giving the team without hammer a head start and then both teams are crappy so the head start sometimes is too big to be negated by having last rock.
The overall level of strategy and shot making has been very low. How Mallett and Barker could have won their provincials boggles the mind. Is this the best that B.C. and Saskatchewan have to offer?
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02-22-17 09:15AM |
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Three
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quote: Originally posted by GregJP
Russ and Cheryl can't figure out why there are so many stolen ends. The answer is quite simple. It's a combination of the following factors.
1. four rock rule
2. terrible strategy
3. terrible execution
The four rock rule usually gives the team without hammer a big advantage after the leads have played their rocks. At this point the better mens teams know when to go on the offensive and when to bail when they have hammer.
Almost every team in this competition (maybe all except Ontario) should be bailing sooner and opening up the front because they can't throw up weight accurately enough to do so later in the end.
Or when they actually do use the correct strategy they just aren't executing well enough to leave themselves a reasonable shot to not give up a steal.
So basically you are giving the team without hammer a head start and then both teams are crappy so the head start sometimes is too big to be negated by having last rock.
The overall level of strategy and shot making has been very low. How Mallett and Barker could have won their provincials boggles the mind. Is this the best that B.C. and Saskatchewan have to offer?
This entire post is bang on except for the fact Russ and Cheryl know all this but will never bring up these cold hard facts. Somehow curling is like golf and except for Johnny Miller will never call a spade a spade.
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02-22-17 09:20AM |
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FollowingAlong
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quote: Originally posted by GregJP
The overall level of strategy and shot making has been very low. How Mallett and Barker could have won their provincials boggles the mind. Is this the best that B.C. and Saskatchewan have to offer?
I have been thinking similarly for the past few draws as well. It's almost criminal that one of those teams will win a game this week since they will have to play against each other.
It's easy to beat up on these teams from the comfort of my chair at home, so yes, I understand, I'm not there and they are - good on them, but demonstrate some fundamental understanding of the game and execute some basic curling shots....
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02-22-17 09:53AM |
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nelsosi
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quote: Originally posted by GregJP
The overall level of strategy and shot making has been very low.
I've noticed this as well. I've come to expect a higher standard at this level, and it seems to me that the quality of play has been much lower than usual this year.
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02-22-17 10:12AM |
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guido
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Registered: Feb 2011
Location: Winnipeg
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quote: Originally posted by GregJP
Russ and Cheryl can't figure out why there are so many stolen ends. The answer is quite simple. It's a combination of the following factors.
1. four rock rule
2. terrible strategy
3. terrible execution
The four rock rule usually gives the team without hammer a big advantage after the leads have played their rocks. At this point the better mens teams know when to go on the offensive and when to bail when they have hammer.
Almost every team in this competition (maybe all except Ontario) should be bailing sooner and opening up the front because they can't throw up weight accurately enough to do so later in the end.
Or when they actually do use the correct strategy they just aren't executing well enough to leave themselves a reasonable shot to not give up a steal.
So basically you are giving the team without hammer a head start and then both teams are crappy so the head start sometimes is too big to be negated by having last rock.
The overall level of strategy and shot making has been very low. How Mallett and Barker could have won their provincials boggles the mind. Is this the best that B.C. and Saskatchewan have to offer?
Agree with everything said here. And it has been ongoing for years. This is why Canada has not done well at worlds.
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02-22-17 11:16AM |
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rickchic
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Mr. Curling Geek, I tried to go to your website and got this:
502 Bad Gateway
nginx/1.10.0 (Ubuntu)
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02-22-17 11:26AM |
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rickchic
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Now it is working Mr. Curling Geek. Sorry about that!
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02-22-17 11:36AM |
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nelsosi
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quote: Originally posted by guido
This is why Canada has not done well at worlds.
That's a little harsh. Maybe the colour of the medal is 'wrong', but medalling at 13 of the last 17 Worlds is pretty impressive.
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02-22-17 12:41PM |
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quote: Originally posted by Manitoba Legend
From a purely negative slant - yesterday morning's TSN broadcast had to be one of the lowest points of curling sportscasting - IN THE HISTORY OF CULRING SPORTS-CASTING.
Mudryk & Cathy Gee were simply way off their game. Now, don't get me wrong - those two are never outstanding - but usually passable - in a frantic sort of way!
Yesterday, it was simply unwatchable!
Now you know how we feel reading your posts.
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02-22-17 12:49PM |
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guido
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quote: Originally posted by nelsosi
That's a little harsh. Maybe the colour of the medal is 'wrong', but medalling at 13 of the last 17 Worlds is pretty impressive.
It may be a bit harsh, but I grew up in the days that a gold medal was expected. Maybe I got spoiled.
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02-22-17 12:56PM |
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nelsosi
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quote: Originally posted by guido
It may be a bit harsh, but I grew up in the days that a gold medal was expected. Maybe I got spoiled.
The rest of the world has been catching up for a while now.
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02-22-17 01:02PM |
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darkwing01
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quote: Originally posted by Manitoba Legend
From a purely negative slant - yesterday morning's TSN broadcast had to be one of the lowest points of curling sportscasting - IN THE HISTORY OF CULRING SPORTS-CASTING.
Mudryk & Cathy Gee were simply way off their game. Now, don't get me wrong - those two are never outstanding - but usually passable - in a frantic sort of way!
Yesterday, it was simply unwatchable!
hope someone in the truck turns off her mike during the Brier. sooner listen to the Brads, kevin, Glen and the boys rather than her
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02-22-17 01:11PM |
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Chopper
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Registered: Feb 2012
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quote: Originally posted by guido
It may be a bit harsh, but I grew up in the days that a gold medal was expected. Maybe I got spoiled.
I agree 100%. I remember when the CDN rep (men or women) at worlds would consider it a relief to win worlds. It was expected that CDN would win. Anything but Gold was considered a fail. Times have changed as other countries have upped their game. But they don't try to have 16 great teams, they shot for 1 to 3. This is where we (CDN) differ. We're getting watered down. We have less people curling but we're expanding our national championships to more teams. Next year we'll get to watch R H lay a 42 to nothing thumping on NU or Yukon. You think it's bad now. Letting more teams into the main field that only have to sign a piece a paper to enter is not good. Playing a CDN national championship should be earned. At least the preliminary round made 4 teams work for a spot. I totally disagree with expanding this to include more (weaker) teams. But I'm a curling fan, I'll watch just about anything. Hope it all works out.
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02-22-17 02:36PM |
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guido
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quote: Originally posted by nelsosi
The rest of the world has been catching up for a while now.
Yes, but we have also been falling back.
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02-22-17 03:07PM |
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nelsosi
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quote: Originally posted by guido
Yes, but we have also been falling back.
At the very elite level, I disagree.
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02-22-17 03:17PM |
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jamcan
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News flash:
Someone wins, someone finishes last. Who cares who it is or, for that matter, what part of the country they come from. Get over it and show respect for all the teams there. You expecially Resby/Legend
Also; the rest of the world has caught up and occasionally beats us but we're still the dominant curling nation. Want everyone else weak again? Then you shouldn't have wanted in the Olympics so much.
Get over that as well.
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02-22-17 03:59PM |
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misty1
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quote: Originally posted by jamcan
News flash:
Someone wins, someone finishes last. Who cares who it is or, for that matter, what part of the country they come from. Get over it and show respect for all the teams there. You expecially Resby/Legend
Also; the rest of the world has caught up and occasionally beats us but we're still the dominant curling nation. Want everyone else weak again? Then you shouldn't have wanted in the Olympics so much.
Get over that as well.
yes! this. i agree with everything here.
im so tired of people coming on here and saying canada doesnt do well at worlds. canada always does well at worlds. so we dont win all the time, so what. how about we give some credit to the rest of the world for getting better. and homan isnt a lock for gold anyway. she has had 3 trips to worlds (1 junior, 2 women) and didnt win the gold in any of those trips. gold is not the only color that matters, people need to get that idea out of their head.
i dont want to go back to a time when there were only 1 or 2 teams canada had to worry about that could beat them, i like the challenge that canada now faces.its good when more than 1 nation has a chance to win the title. i've said it before, do we want curling to be like womens hockey in its severe lack of depth.
agree about nationals as well. these teams are chasing their dream and for all the bitching about how bad they are i can almost guarantee they'd whip anyone sitting here.
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02-22-17 04:20PM |
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decade
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quote: Originally posted by misty1
agree about nationals as well. these teams are chasing their dream and for all the bitching about how bad they are i can almost guarantee they'd whip anyone sitting here.
Well isn't that something great to hang on your mantle! 1-15 at next years Brier, but you can beat a senior who likely has had 2 knee replacements, That's something to be real proud of
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