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10-27-18 09:49AM
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Anna Hasselborg showed this morning that Kerri Einarson's powerful start in 2018 w/ the all-skippy team may have been an anomaly.

Team Einarson was slaughtered across the board. Einarson's best player was Brie Meilleur at 83% - yet she was manhandled by Mabergs by 13 pts. Val & Kerri wimped out in this one - Kerri didn't make 50%, Val barely over.

Now, Hasselborg should easily subdue the puzzling & ineffective Jennifer Jones and should meet Casey Scheidegger in event semi.

The other semi - should feature Rachel Homan vs. the winner of the only QF that might go deep. Kaitlyn Jones vs. CC Carey.

Final should feature Homan vs. winner of Hasselborg/Scheidegger

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In their prime several years ago, Savill and Laing were arguably the best front end in curling.

Difficult not to notice this season to date their percentages are still among the very best in the world.

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Carey's best days are behind here. No way she matches Jones' mid life career stats.

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Carey's primary weakness is she's not nearly as mentally strong as some of the past and present super-skips:

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Schmirler,
Colleen "Coco" Jones
JJ Jones
H. Nedohin
H. Houston
K. Scott
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Homan


Still has a very good team underneath her - but her road to the STOH is clear

Has to hope Homan snares the Ontario spot and Carey can either upset Scheidegger in Alberta or accumulate enough pts. to snare a berth in the STOH play-in game!

Not nearly as mentally strong as her prime competitors this year, those being Homan, Scheidegger, McCarville, Einarson. Perhaps on par w/ Jones as Jones is now a far lesser threat than ever before. Still mentally strong but shot-weak!

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Surprised CBC chose the Jones/Hasselborg game for their QF feature this afternoon. Yes, these teams are 1-2 in world standings - but Hasselborg is ascending while Jones descends.

Surprised JJ was able to give Anna Hass a decent game - as she barely hit 50% of her shots - only in it cuz Kaitlyn hung with Sara and Hasselborg was slightly off herself.

None of the other games were barn-burners - Jones was only 2 down coming home w/ hammer cuz Anna soiled a sure 3 spot in 7, turned it into a deuce.

Thought Jill Officer did a fabulous job in her first CBC assignment - outstanding!

She hung in with vets Husky Harris & K Mart w/ Bruce Rainey on the mike. Laid back funny - very descriptive. She'd make a great replace for Joan when Joan calls it a day. Not as rat-a-tat talky as Cathy Gauthier makes it clear she's in it for the long-term.

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Looking forward to Homan and Hasselbourg at 5:00 pm. Not sure about the Koe and Epping game. It starts at 1:00 pm. Wonder if it'll be over by 5:00pm. Indecision is Koe's biggest problem. Sometimes it works, on occassion it doesn't. Hoping Homan/Epping are the winners of this spiel.

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That’s a game that in my opinion, Hasselborg did not win , but rather Homan lost it.

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Peak Curling for viewers ended about 2011

If you leave 6 -12 rocks in play you better play 95% the last end


That 8th was totally predictable

Cool that epping won earlier

Anyone ever hear how many viewers curling has for these events ??

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Hasselborg gave us a master-class in defeating Homan.

Gotta answer great shots with more great shots. Can't escape with a W by relying on Raytch, Emma, Courtney & Lee missing shots - - - - have to make tons of your own!

They did - and Rachel was pelting her with all she had, too!

Hasselborg used the 5 rock rule perfectly in the 8th to collect a routine 3-spot

Didn't like Joan & Harris yapping about Agnes & Courtney being the strongest brushers in the game.

Didn't they ever see Jill Officer work?

Actually, Agnes is an outstanding player - she's basically a 3rd or skip playing 2nd stone. Incredible brusher! Great on-ice demeanor, too!!!

She seemed to be providing Anna with more support & ideas than the very reserved Sara McManus!

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That’s a game that in my opinion, Hasselborg did not win , but rather Homan lost it.


Nope Hasselborg won it by making her shots when she needed to. The chance was there and she made them. Just as the chance was there for Homan and she missed.

That his how you win in any sport, by making what you need to.

Congrats Hasselbor for winning!

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Exciting game for sure! No doubt the 2 strongest women’s teams right now. Hasselborg entire team has a great demeanour. If they were Canadian they would be the most marketable curlers ever. Very likeable.

Also enjoyed Epping winning another.

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That’s a game that in my opinion, Hasselborg did not win , but rather Homan lost it.


If I were part of the winning team yesterday and some witless person suggested that we didn't actually win the championship, the other team lost it, I'd tell that dolt to Take One In The Hat,

You need to hit the reset button, fella.

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Having gifted a sponsor's exemption to Kaitlyn Jones, wouldn't ya think the officials who established the draw schedule might have at least attempted to place her in a reasonably competitive and balanced draw?

Yes? Well think again.

Actually she was assigned to the "shark pool" with Homan (OOM 3), Einarson ( OOM 4 ), Tirinzone ( OOM 5 ) and Fleury ( OOM 6 ). Clearly, they could not have made things any more difficult even if they had to.

So why in the world didn't they throw her into JJ's "goldfish pool" instead where the level of competition is significantly weaker?

While nobody expects her to win this thing, this draw schedule is anything but fair and balanced in my opinion.
It is not unlike the draw schedule in the Autumn Gold Classic earlier this month. Seems to me something is horribly wrong when officials habitually and consistently make it difficult for some teams but provide a relatively easy path for others to reach the playoffs.



Draws in most events are seeded off the Order of Merit. What you are seeing though is the changes that happen between when a draw is created and posted to the time the event runs.

With some teams playing well early and others struggling, it does shake up the rankings pretty quickly too.

Nothing nefarious in either the Masters or Autumn Gold seeding.

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I have noticed. Do we have options?

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Draws in most events are seeded off the Order of Merit. What you are seeing though is the changes that happen between when a draw is created and posted to the time the event runs.

With some teams playing well early and others struggling, it does shake up the rankings pretty quickly too.

Nothing nefarious in either the Masters or Autumn Gold seeding.



In my blurb dated October 16th I listed all of the teams that Homan and Jones defeated on their path to the QF's using the OOM rankings in Week 8. On this basis Jones defeated 5 teams who had an OOM rating totalling 385. Homan defeated 5 teams who had an OOM rating totalling 175. In effect it was 125.1% more difficult for Homan to reach the QF's.

I also referred back to the OOM rankings for all the players involved using using the Week 1 rankings. On that basis Jones defeated teams who had an OOM totalling 439 while Homan defeated teams who had an OOM totalling 195. Using this data it was 125.7% more difficult for Homan to reach the playoffs.

So if the "shake up" in the OOM rankings during this 8 week period had virtually no impact, what did cause the lopsided and unbalanced draw?

It seems rather obvious to me that the problem began back on September 1 when the "drawmaster" attempted to create the draw using Week 1 OOM rankings. For some reason a seriously flawed, unbalanced draw was created, as demonstrated by the numbers above, and for reasons unknown it was never corrected. But clearly it should have been corrected, something that could have been done in less than 10 minutes.

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I follow what you're saying but with the new points system this year it makes it more difficult to get the draw correct. With the 2 year total being reduced every 2 weeks for the second year by 10%, and the necessity to try and make the draw early enough for travel arrangements, it's much harder to make the draws equal. However, saying that, if you follow the draws, how and why is it possible to have all the teams on one side of the draw drop down to the SAME SIDE. Again I ask that a set draw be made up for all draws that makes it equal for all, whether in Toronto or Basel. Once you lose a game, drop to next B or C etc based on the EXACT SAME DRAW SCHEDULE WORLDWIDE, not at the whim of the local spiel. WAAAAAAY too many times the locals or even so-called draw experts, have no idea how to make a draw EVEN. WCT or CCA should have rules to follow based on X amount of teams vs X amount of draws. EG 24 team triple knockout draw should be exactly the same in Calgary or Toronto or Glasgow. Set the draw based on the standings, and then follow the EXACT same draw drop down schedule to get the qualifiers. Right now there are 50 different interpretations of how to get to 8 qualifiers. Set the draw in stone based on how many teams and where they are ranked. Make it the same worldwide. Gerry, get on this.

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She just showed the rest of the curling world how NOT to play UP 4 WITH 2 ENDS TO PLAY. Why would you put rocks in play WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO SCORE. 5 rock rule schmozzled.
And then to purposely take 3 extra breaks on the last rock thrown so EVERYONE is watching...... and you missed. Memories of the Scotties in Charlottetown when she raised her arms in the air after the big last shot vs Holland from SK thinking she made it after waiting for ALL the cameras to be on her..... and she lost. Fitting.

Back from China yada yada yada. You're good, but there's 10-15 teams that WILL beat you on a regular basis.

Go Homan. Go young Jones.

Too soon? No.



Don't know if they believe that China trip, 22,000 km, 30-36 hours return, just before the Masters was worthwhile or not.

But I'd bet nobody over there actually fell for that "Are You Watching Me Now" routine.

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Don't know if they believe that China trip, 22,000 km, 30-36 hours return, just before the Masters was worthwhile or not.

But I'd bet nobody over there actually fell for that "Are You Watching Me Now" routine.




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