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The Alberta Cub Pack (Bottcher) sneaks by the favoured Jacobs Wolf Pack w/ Ryan Harnden in tow.

Amazing curling game - one of the finest I've seen other than a myriad of Jennifer Jones games.

The last couple ends were magnificent. Wolfman Brad still playing at the height of his powers but Cubber Botchman kept torqueing up the pressure - and when you do that - EVEN THE GREAT ONES CAPABLE OF CRUMBLING!

Thought Jacobs could have played his final stone a bit tighter - even if he crashes on the angle freeze - he probably advances his own stone a few inches - to the winning spot on the button.

Anyways, its over - NO JACOBS VS GOO FINAL.

If I were Goo or Epping I wouldn't want to lose the 1-2 game - then fall into the moshpit - with a bunch of wolf cubs who have suddenly morphed into full-fledged killer wolves.

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ya his third was choking big time and he still won the game lol.

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Ice is still tricky .. thought brads was ok. Took 8 inches less ice and was maybe 6 ft heavier .. 4 was martin dragging Brendan’s past the guards

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It’s aslippery game ..



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and no one can EVER convince me that sweeping brads last rock helped - - let it die or pick
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Then why would they bother with that "placement" game for the teams 9-16?



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feel for brad. he had that one. just a touch lighter and he'd have made that one.

the match overall wasn't that great for me. were a couple picks and neither team really picked up on the spots in the ice.

feel like it was more about the mistakes other than the shots actually made

i feel like the chances of an alberta/canada final are pretty good. i'd like to see ontario win it but i'm not sue epping can beat this gushue in a final..or at all. i know alberta beat him in the round robin but that was quite easily the worst game canada has had all week and it was still close. not sure how alberta would fair if canada curled they way they have the rest of the way

having said that if you asked me who had the better shot at taking gushue down in the final i'd lean more to alberta. there's this quiet confidence to bottcher that actually reminds me of kevin martin in a way.

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gold - alberta
silver - canada
bronze - ontario

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Then why would they bother with that "placement" game for the teams 9-16?



The teams 9-16 get money depending on their position so the lower you fini, the less you get.

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Handicapping Brier Final

I had predicted Goo would be taking on Jacobs in the final, so apologies to those who bet on my prediction (about 55% of the board)

Goo vs. Epping - this might be the most foregone conclusion of any; if Goo could curl over 100% he would - now showing supreme curling dominance - and unlike a zombie like Koe, Goo is a curling craftsman; amazing rock placement torments all opponents. Goo should be 80 to 83% favourite to win this potential matchup.

Goo vs. Bottcher - this will be close. The Alberta Wolf-Pack has quickly graduated from cubs to werewolves (minus the obligatory curling beards). Lots of shots, and they have something few teams have - spirit inter-twined with hope. I'll put Goo as 60 to 62% favourites to win this potential matchup.

Truth be told if Jacobs gang had made their way into the final - I'd still be on Goo - but only 56 to 59% favourite to win.

Team Goo is supremely confident. If they win 2 straight briers - I'd place them up there with some of curling's greatest teams:
(Mainly due to Goo already winning an Olympic and world title:

1. Team Richardson
2. Team Howard Wood
3. Team Matt Baldwin
4. Team Jeff Stoughton
5. Team Kerry Burtnyk
6. Team Rick Folk
7. Team Russ Howard
8. Team Brad Jacobs

Still a couple teams Gushue is a bit behind immo:

Team Kevin Martin
Team Ron Northcott
Team Randy Ferbey
Team Don Duguid
Team Glenn Howard
Team Ken Watson
(all of above obviously in their primes)

If Gushue wins Brier & Worlds this year I\d put him slightly ahead of G. Howard, D. Duguid & R. Northcott.

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this event ends tonight about 9 pm


elite 10 starts thurs at noon

same teams less botcher plus edin and shuster

a lot of curling ....

thx for the tip on gushue ml - never saw that coming

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Just a reminder to the few posters that were adamant that the "burnt rock" rule meant, "burn and remove", without exception . Having watched every televised briar game, I've seen about six burnt rocks and they were all left in place or replaced. Since only a quarter of games are shown, assume there may have been about 25 burnt rocks without a removal. That is how the rule was intended to be interpreted .

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and epping's out. i knew it. he had a great and somewhat unexpected showing here but it's over.

john was in a good position in this semi. controlled proceedings, ontario was all over alberta but bottcher kept them in it long enough for john to blink and he did, big time.

i don't really care who wins the final now. and to be honest i doubt i'll watch but good luck to both teams in the final

i need a little break.

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elite 10 starts thurs at noon

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a lot of curling ....

thx for the tip on gushue ml - never saw that coming



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Just a reminder to the few posters that were adamant that the "burnt rock" rule meant, "burn and remove", without exception . Having watched every televised briar game, I've seen about six burnt rocks and they were all left in place or replaced. Since only a quarter of games are shown, assume there may have been about 25 burnt rocks without a removal. That is how the rule was intended to be interpreted .


You noticed that did you, Ajay?
First fall back on a burnt rock is confession from the offending team that they burnt it.
Second fall back is NOT immediate removal - that some of the posting hacks yapped on about BUT
Option of the non-offending team to place the burnt rock or series of effected rocks in their rightful places (estimate, but fairness dictates fairness)

The Homan decision was a strict interpretation of "letter of the law".
Similar to a drunk or violently disturbed provincial court judge telling a 1st time Jay-Walker that he's giving them 6 months in the hoose-gow vs. a simple warning or small fine.
What Homan did was allowable - but against the spirit of the game!

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and epping's out. i knew it. he had a great and somewhat unexpected showing here but it's over.

john was in a good position in this semi. controlled proceedings, ontario was all over alberta but bottcher kept them in it long enough for john to blink and he did, big time.

i don't really care who wins the final now. and to be honest i doubt i'll watch but good luck to both teams in the final

i need a little break.



John was in a bit over his head vs. the ferocious young wolf pack - the question tonite is whether Mr. Bottcher can return all the torment Mr. Gushue will be heaping upon him. If he does - he'll have a chance to win the Brier.

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The skip from Alberta has a lot of class.Hope he wins.

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You noticed that did you, Ajay?
First fall back on a burnt rock is confession from the offending team that they burnt it.
Second fall back is NOT immediate removal - that some of the posting hacks yapped on about BUT
Option of the non-offending team to place the burnt rock or series of effected rocks in their rightful places (estimate, but fairness dictates fairness)

The Homan decision was a strict interpretation of "letter of the law".
Similar to a drunk or violently disturbed provincial court judge telling a 1st time Jay-Walker that he's giving them 6 months in the hoose-gow vs. a simple warning or small fine.
What Homan did was allowable - but against the spirit of the game!



Once again Legend is wrong. The strict interpretation he refers to is one of the options a non-offending team has. As such it is totally acceptable, within the spirit and intent of the rule and not unsportsmanlike.

What is unsportsmanlike are those who complain about any option the non-offending team makes. Especially if you're a player on the team that broke the rule.

Only curlers would think negatively about the non-offending team selecting an option completely fair and available to them under the rules. They also conveniently forget the reason for the current rule is to prevent teams from purposely burning stones when a miss was about to improve their opponents situation. Something that happened a lot more frequently than you think.

If a pro golfer breaks a rule and doesn't own up, they can be turned in by their playing partner. Does that make the other golfer unsportsmanlike for seeing that rules are adhered to? A football head coach often has a choice to accept or decline a penalty called against his opposition. Is he unsportsmanlike when he selects the option best for his team?

You may have the right to your opinion on what you might do in the situation. But you don't have the right to criticize or label any other teams choice if it's one clearly allowed under the rules.

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Once again Legend is wrong. The strict interpretation he refers to is one of the options a non-offending team has. As such it is totally acceptable, within the spirit and intent of the rule and not unsportsmanlike.

What is unsportsmanlike are those who complain about any option the non-offending team makes. Especially if you're a player on the team that broke the rule.

Only curlers would think negatively about the non-offending team selecting an option completely fair and available to them under the rules. They also conveniently forget the reason for the current rule is to prevent teams from purposely burning stones when a miss was about to improve their opponents situation. Something that happened a lot more frequently than you think.

If a pro golfer breaks a rule and doesn't own up, they can be turned in by their playing partner. Does that make the other golfer unsportsmanlike for seeing that rules are adhered to? A football head coach often has a choice to accept or decline a penalty called against his opposition. Is he unsportsmanlike when he selects the option best for his team?

You may have the right to your opinion on what you might do in the situation. But you don't have the right to criticize or label any other teams choice if it's one clearly allowed under the rules.



Homan could have showed a little more class than just banging her broom on the rock and removing it. She could have conversed with the other skip, and within her right been much nicer about it.

I wonder if she has watched the replay and now knows that the rock she removed really did not move much at all...certainly not enough to make a difference.

But she was within her right - nicer is better.

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Homan could have showed a little more class than just banging her broom on the rock and removing it. She could have conversed with the other skip, and within her right been much nicer about it.

I wonder if she has watched the replay and now knows that the rock she removed really did not move much at all...certainly not enough to make a difference.

But she was within her right - nicer is better.



I saw exactly what happened and a ridiculous hullabaloo has been made about Homan moving the rock away with her broom.

Honestly people, she barely tapped the rock and then moved it out of play. You're all making it sound like she did a full on, overhead two-hander while cursing in Danish.

And she isn't required to be Miss Manners. She did not break the rule. She did not burn a running stone. She has the right, within the rules to select the option she wishes.

And as long as that decision is within the rules no one has the right to complain. And if you're the offending team and you whine about it, then you're unsportsmanlike.

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John was in a bit over his head vs. the ferocious young wolf pack - the question tonite is whether Mr. Bottcher can return all the torment Mr. Gushue will be heaping upon him. If he does - he'll have a chance to win the Brier.



oh stop. john had full control of that game. ontario was all over alberta and bottcher was the only reason it was close through 5. john threw his last rock in 7 well but it just didn't curl. one end was the difference maker. if john makes that draw for 1 in 7..who knows how it ends up.

take your delusional glasses off and jump back into reality for a second

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Well Jamcan, nobody will obviously change your interpretation of the rule, however , I think I can safely say that 99% of the worlds best curlers would NOT have acted like Homan. But yes one out of a hundred will. I rest my case.

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I saw exactly what happened and a ridiculous hullabaloo has been made about Homan moving the rock away with her broom.

Honestly people, she barely tapped the rock and then moved it out of play. You're all making it sound like she did a full on, overhead two-hander while cursing in Danish.

And she isn't required to be Miss Manners. She did not break the rule. She did not burn a running stone. She has the right, within the rules to select the option she wishes.

And as long as that decision is within the rules no one has the right to complain. And if you're the offending team and you whine about it, then you're unsportsmanlike.




never said she was wrong. I have watched it many times too,

She was representing Canada and could have acted with a bit of class.

But really, how badly was that rock burnt, did it move inches? Hardly noticed the movement.

anyway, I am not a Homan fan, but she certainly could have handled it better.

Yes, I said in my previous post it was her right, as the rules state. But has we have all seen, that rock hardly moved at all. I can bet 95% of skips would have left it there. Olympics or not.

No she did not have to be Miss Manners - but she sure didn't need to be Miss rude and arrogant.

and this is a Brier thread.

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The Goo-Goo Train inflicts first torment of the gold medal game; hiding in the bushes for 2 ends and then inflicting the young wolf-pack with a perfectly played deuce in the 3rd end. 2-0 Gushue playing the 4th.

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Team Gushue is so good, they often succeed in sucking the fun out of a game. It's 4-2, but it might as well be 10-0. You just can't get enough rocks in play against them once you fall behind.

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Alberta Wolf Pack make things interesting.

Moulding & Bottcher torment BamBam & Goo to half-shots, allowing an Alberta deuce in 9.

Goo 1 up with hammer comin' home!

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Great performance all week team Botcher. Today, the best team won.

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Premier of Newfoundland WINS BRIER

Premier Goo sucks one to the Tim Horton pot to win his 2nd straight Brier. Whatta win - only curls 95% to enable an amazingly good & controlled Alberta team to push him to the brink.


Bottcher are going to be fixtures on the Canadian curling scene - on the breach of displacing Koe as Alberta #1 - maybe one more year of Koe before its over!

I've seen the best of the best - and worst of the worst and there's no question Brad and his squad are amongst the best of the best.

Gushue & Bam-Bam - amongst the best 3rd skip combos in Brier lore - other great ones - The Richardsons, Duguid & Hunter, Ken & Grant Watson, Glenn & Russ.

Best 2nd - Brett Gallant; right up there with Bernie Sparkes, Sam Richardson, Laing, Jim Pettapiece. Gallant perhaps the best ever and he's still young.

Best lead - Geoff Walker, right up there with Woody Wood, Fred Story, Buffalo Benny Hebert.

Skip - Gushue right up there with Duguid, Ken Watson, Kevin Martin, The Howards, Matt Baldwin. At rock positioning he is without a doubt the best I've ever seen.

Coach - Jules Owchar is the best of all-time.

Seriously, Brad could run for Premier of Newfoundland tomorrow and he'd win in a landslide! Brad is honest and true - we need more honest and true politicians.

Love the TSN re-cap at the end . . . WONDERFUL

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