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01-31-18 12:58PM
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I have to agree about the attendance. CC really needs to rethink their strategy of the host clubs. Only rabid fans would trek to Penticton, others would rather spend the money on a cruise which might be cheaper than travelling to BC.

The women's worlds are in North Bay, let's hope seats fill up there although those curlers are used to empty arenas.

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Wow, this Scotties is actually worse than last year's and that's saying something. Execution has been brutal overall. The number of complete misses and half shots is really disturbing. Overall, most (but not all) of the wins by the "good teams" are because of terrible execution on the part of the other team. There have been some brilliant shots but really few and far between.

Even I'm tired of hearing Russ & Cheryl question strategy. The skips go off the board so often they might as well not mention it anymore. At this point it is just a given.

Hoping things get better in the "Championship Round" but that's doubtful at best.

As for the format it is a disaster. Carrying over team records against the three teams not advancing is dumb. Apples need to be compared to apples but no doubt Curling Canada hopes for less tie-breakers this way (should a championship pool team happen to lose to a non-championship team in the round robin). Why even bother giving the Friday morning games to the non-championship teams. I guarantee it is NOT for seeding (as is done in Juniors & Seniors). Let's say Gushue does not win the Brier this year and represents NFLD at the next Brier. I guarantee he does not take NFLD seed garnered this year. It has to be done by CTRS pts every year or the whole thing is just a crap shoot. Same thing for Homan....say they win Ontario next year, no way they are going to be the #9 seed or whatever. Since CC didn't want to fund fifths this year they should have sent all the eliminated teams home Wed night. Saves a bunch of hotel rooms since we are in penny pinching mode.

Really hope this one year experimental format is not carried forward for another train wreck next year. TSN should have a say in this...lack of a true Round Robin means it is harder to find good matchups Saturday through Wednesday. That's the biggest problem with this format.

And don't get me started on Nunavut/Yukon/etc....

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well that and the screaming - unbearable to watch - and i dont - a few shots max

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So once a team is eliminated from the Pool Play, they get to hang out and have a mini vacay on CC. Remember Montreal when the flu swept through all the curlers - 5ths were playing quite a bit then! Just imagine this year if that had happened - what a disaster. I have to agree, eliminated teams can be sent home once Pool play is done.

Nunavut has been playing for around 3 - 4 yrs now in this and the Brier - I still see lopsided scores and the same faces. Is curling really progress and are we doing those teams a favour by letting them have a trip to the Scotties while teams like Sweeting, Birchard, Carey (although she had her chance), Harrison, Flaxey stay home because they don't have a sign up and go qualifier?

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Bizarre final shot from JJ. Was pretty clear Shannon didn't think that shot was there. For what it's worth (not much) I didn't think it was there either.

Was really interesting to hear her say she didn't like her chances in an extra too.

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Someone needs to show Jennifer Jones that statistic Cheryl Bernard recited about how >50% of teams without the hammer win the extra end in past Scotties/Briers. She should never have played that ridiculous double raise takeout attempt in the 10th end against NOnt. No upside at all, and now she has lost the game outright. Her teammates really should have argued more than they did.

Also, could the TSN commentators be any more patronizing to the underdogs? "What a shot by Team Yukon!" They drew the eight foot for a single, settle down.

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I wish there was a mic on Kaitlyn Lawes (if she was watching...could be on a plane to Korea by now) during that debate. I’d love to know what she was shouting at her TV.

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I have had ML on ignore for a very long time. I highly recommend it.



Adding people to the ignore list isn’t working for me right now. I tried to put him on it the other night and got broken links.

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Bizarre final shot from JJ. Was pretty clear Shannon didn't think that shot was there. For what it's worth (not much) I didn't think it was there either.

Was really interesting to hear her say she didn't like her chances in an extra too.



She went for the glory shot that was never there. Front end should have spoken up. Shannon was right.

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JJ isn't the first nor will she be the last to try a hero shot for the win. the fact is that , against top teams stealing a win is very hard and i think jen knew that. it's no harm done. she's 5-1 and they did play well .

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i just hope we get a different match tonight then the one im expecting , which is einarson/jones.

seen enough of manitoba and einarson really. we know both will be in the championship pool, it has no meaning

show one of the teams fighting to get in. northwest territories hasn't had any air time, pout them on against northern ontario. that game is more interesting. can koe play spoiler, can fleury win her 5th straight.

if not that show nova scotia/saskatchewan. same scenario. without the win streak

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the fact is that , against top teams stealing a win is very hard
the stats show that is false

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That questionable decision by Jones to try the angle raise in the 10th handed an easy victory
to NO.
Can't understand it.The rookie pointed out to her at least 3 times the angle was wrong, the 2nd agreed with the rookie, the Lead chirped in that she was not very good on angles and Coach Wendy when consulted said one word: DRAW.

So Jones ignores everybody! Game over, Lights Out.

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the stats show that is false


i said top teams not all teams. most of the time those top teams are gonna win when it's tied with hammer. and either way when you are out there curling you aren't thinking about stats. if you don't like your chances in an extra end then you are gonna try anything you can to win. she wasn't that far off from getting 1.

was the shot there, no but like i said she isn't the first to try ridiculous shots for the win

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JJ isn't the first nor will she be the last to try a hero shot for the win. the fact is that , against top teams stealing a win is very hard and i think jen knew that. it's no harm done. she's 5-1 and they did play well .

I hope someone has the actual stats to verify what Cheryl said, but the stat Cheryl quoted was from Scotties and Briers. Those are not ordinary club teams, and I think Northern Ontario represents a pretty good average of the teams who would have been leading in those tournaments. And even if stealing against them was only 20% likely, the shot Jones attempted, even if the angle was better, was an extreme longshot to score 2. It was high risk with little hope of reward.

Also, there is considerable harm done if losing this game pushes Jones from #1 to #2 in the standings at the end of the week. That's last rock advantage in the 1-2 game.

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I hope someone has the actual stats to verify what Cheryl said, but the stat Cheryl quoted was from Scotties and Briers. Those are not ordinary club teams, and I think Northern Ontario represents a pretty good average of the teams who would have been leading in those tournaments. And even if stealing against them was only 20% likely, the shot Jones attempted, even if the angle was better, was an extreme longshot to score 2. It was high risk with little hope of reward.

Also, there is considerable harm done if losing this game pushes Jones from #1 to #2 in the standings at the end of the week. That's last rock advantage in the 1-2 game.



no, the teams at the scotties and brier are are not club level. however it's also fair to say that they are not top teams . i would curious how the stats break down in those stolen wins. i would bet though that the odds of stealing a win over a mcphee or anderson are higher than stealing against a team like fleury or einarson.

in the grand scheme of things, sure this loss might cost them the number one seed but what i meant was they are qualified for the championship pool so taking a loss here is okay.

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Bizarre final shot from JJ. Was pretty clear Shannon didn't think that shot was there. For what it's worth (not much) I didn't think it was there either.

Was really interesting to hear her say she didn't like her chances in an extra too.



Methinx Miss Birchard got a full dose of JJ Jones curlonomics this afternoon. WOW! Jones did what she's done on numerous occasions over her storied career - she squandered a solid 4-1 lead with her team (3rd and lead anyways) playing great. Just a series of half-shots, poor rock positioning, etc. The typical Jones slip-ups.

In my pre-game banter I knew Jones wouldn't be fully into this match. And she wasn't. The half-shot festival was disheartening. I don't think Birchard expected it either. Dawn & Jill have been around long enough to know when Jones goes into "Doubting Jenny" mode all bets are off. She was in that mode today!

If she remains in "Doubt" mode I suspect its just a matter of time before she's run out of the competition.

Clearly, two reasons for Jones loss today. Tracy Fleury was clearly the superior woman. And JJ showed those lingering doubts that her A-game has left the building and she's trying to survive on guile and reputation!

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i said top teams not all teams. most of the time those top teams are gonna win when it's tied with hammer. and either way when you are out there curling you aren't thinking about stats. if you don't like your chances in an extra end then you are gonna try anything you can to win. she wasn't that far off from getting 1.

was the shot there, no but like i said she isn't the first to try ridiculous shots for the win



Young Shannon's instincts on the impossible shot was correct. The shot played out exactly as Shannon said. Jones knew Fleury was the superior woman today - and that an extra end against a near 100% curler was nigh on impossible to win. So she basically went out in a ball of flame. Didn't even want to play an extra end without hammer!

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i would bet though that the odds of stealing a win over a mcphee or anderson are higher than stealing against a team like fleury or einarson.


True, but you also need to consider the team trying to do the stealing. JJ has proven to be one of the best in the world at stealing over the years. To hear her doubt her ability to steal in 11 is really strange.

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True, but you also need to consider the team trying to do the stealing. JJ has proven to be one of the best in the world at stealing over the years. To hear her doubt her ability to steal in 11 is really strange.



From end 5 to 10 Jen was getting over-powered by T. Fleury. . . . . even though her team was superior to the N. Ont side. Fleury was making everything - and some great shots to boot - Jones was half-shotting or missing the odd one completely!

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simple explanation

like ml - jj had a brain fart moment

AND she missed the shot she was trying ..

btw - observer lose the smilie - its like listening to ( or kissing ) an announcer with the flu

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AVOIDING THE KEY =

Most teams already clinching playoff spots know where they'll be. JJJones will spend an inordinate amount of time analyzing the Final 8.

Key thing is trying to avoid two teams.

1. Scheidegger - the perceived young monsters of this event, all shots are makeable, nothing is impossible to these young bucks. Would you want to play them in the 1st round of playoffs? I sure wouldn't

2. Fleury - coming on like gang-busters - but due to her 2 losses out of the gate she could take on one of the front-runners in the first round

Obviously Jones has the big reputation but anyone with half a brain can see she's starting to become clouded with doubts. When this happens, its almost impossible for Jones to win.

Jennifer Dice-Jones is really the wild card of the event - if she's on her game and disposes of her tendency to half-shot takeouts and misjudge draws she'll torment anyone in the field.

Einarson is the other real wildcard. No coaching, very little training, no 5th player. A team of unpolished tryers to be sure. Their form chart is to miss there share of shots and make their share of really tough shots.

Englot has the exceptional curling mind but her physical limitations hinder her team's opportunities - and she seems to be in sulk mode last couple games - being vastly outcurled by Holly Duncan of Ontario thus far tonite.

For Jones - the ideal 1st round matchup - if she can somehow manipulate it is Scheidegger vs. Fleury. One hot team will go down if this happens. One less threat to Jones.

But the real question - if Jones regains her Olympic gold form - she'll win her 6th STOH.

If she continues rolling dice and half-shotting - she may not even medal.

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Attendance summary to date http://www.curling.ca/scoreboard/#!/competitions/3426/reports/attendance

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Attendance numbers can be a bit misleading. That's tickets sold rather than bums in seats. With all the corporate and sponsor seats the go mostly unused, you can cut the actual attendance almost in half of the 1500-2500 per draw. Don't forget the 100's of kids for the morning draws.

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How does the 8-team playoff work?

Once the tie-breakers are out of the way:

Does the top-rated team from Pool A cross over to play the bottom rated team in Pool B?

2nd in Pool A play 3rd in Pool B?

etc.

Those four winners then get seeded into a FInal 4 Page situation?

Or is there another explanation?

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