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quote:
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Brad was on fire for the Brier...the whole team was totally focused, I had no doubt they would win. Teams practice to peak for certain events...i.e. Jones & Jacobs for the Olympics. Homan for the Worlds this year. While I would love to see Canada win the World Men's this year, I have a feeling it will be Edin. JMO.


Totally wrong just as I ensured you would be.

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Mostly due to Russ yes, while brad is a good shooter, a better shooter in those Olympics was Mark Nichols.

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Went from the greatest golf match of the modern era; Sergio Garcia vs. Justin Rose (Garcia wins his 1st major btw) to perhaps the greatest curling game of same era.




ML, recency bias at work! I'm going to assume by "Modern" you mean since the move from persimmon wood to metal "woods" and from balata to 4-piece balls (though you might be old enough to go back to hickory : )

Stenson vs Mickelson at the Open Championship last year was pretty unbelievable. Not sure if I'd put yesterday ahead of that one.

Woods v Duval v Mickelson at the Masters in 2001 was an exciting battle.

Phil v Monty v Ogilvey at the US Open in 2006 was pretty good.

Sergio v Harrington at the '07 Open and the '08 PGA are up there as well.

Woods v May at the 2000 PGA. Woods v DiMarco at 2005 Masters and my vote perhaps....

Woods vs Rocco at the 2008 US Open

...and there are many more.


And Greatest Curling Game? Not even in the Top 10 for me.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: The Greatest Game of All -

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Are you kidding- just a passenger? The Olympic Gold medal in NL is all due to Russ!



Certainly not all, but a big part indeed.

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Re: sadly I missed the curling match on T.V.

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BUT I knew the outcome would be this nice, I just what to say that finally NO MORE having to listen to"Mr COMMERCIAL" Vic Rauter until next curling season


Vic is the best! He's Canada's Ron Burgundy!

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Re: sadly I missed the curling match on T.V.

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BUT I knew the outcome would be this nice, I just what to say that finally NO MORE having to listen to"Mr COMMERCIAL" Vic Rauter until next curling season


so you won't be watching the mixed?

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ML, recency bias at work! I'm going to assume by "Modern" you mean since the move from persimmon wood to metal "woods" and from balata to 4-piece balls (though you might be old enough to go back to hickory : )

Stenson vs Mickelson at the Open Championship last year was pretty unbelievable. Not sure if I'd put yesterday ahead of that one.

Woods v Duval v Mickelson at the Masters in 2001 was an exciting battle.

Phil v Monty v Ogilvey at the US Open in 2006 was pretty good.

Sergio v Harrington at the '07 Open and the '08 PGA are up there as well.

Woods v May at the 2000 PGA. Woods v DiMarco at 2005 Masters and my vote perhaps....

Woods vs Rocco at the 2008 US Open

...and there are many more.


And Greatest Curling Game? Not even in the Top 10 for me.



Have to agree with you - Edin was so hot at the beginning and in the semi agains the Swiss...yet his front end faltered in the final and he missed a few himself. Credit to Gushue and his team, they made some excellent shots.

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Have to agree with you - Edin was so hot at the beginning and in the semi agains the Swiss...yet his front end faltered in the final and he missed a few himself. Credit to Gushue and his team, they made some excellent shots.



Nothing new there, Edin tends to crumble vs. Gushue, that and or it's just a bad matchup, I think it's at least partly mental with that team though, lost to Gushue 3 times in a row here.

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So as far as men and women (since 1973) only four teams have won without losing a game. Rick Folk (1980), Kerry Burtnyk (1995), Brad Gushue (2017) and Rachel Holman (2017)

It has truly been a remarkable year for Canadian curling.



Definitely a year to remember for CDN Curlng Fans, and especially for Team Gushue. Couldn't have written it any better for them.

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Definitely a year to remember for CDN Curlng Fans, and especially for Team Gushue. Couldn't have written it any better for them.



If only they had won the juniors too, would have been the greatest year ever for Canada I think.

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These sweeping violations aren't new. Replay any televised game and you will find several instances where sweeping rules were technically broken. Every team does it, and as I mentioned in the USA thread, it's a matter of playing within accepted norms.

How many sports are there without rules that are have tolerances before they're called? By the book, you could call holding on every play in football; traveling and/or carrying/palming the ball in basketball; holding, grabbing, flopping in soccer; the variable strike zone and being in the zip code of second base on double plays in baseball; marking and replacing of balls in golf, etc.

The problem is that for most sports there are officials (and for golf, people sitting at home watching on TV) who call penalties or fouls when someone goes beyond the accepted tolerances.


With the possible exception of golf, doing anything to win is the goal of all the sports you mention. They employ the unfortunate approach of "If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'."
In curling, however, sportsmanship, fair play, and respect for one's opponent is the philosophy, and is expected. Therefore, any breach of a rule in order to gain an advantage should not be accepted.

If a little finger is released from the rock when the rock is touching the Hogline by just 1/8 of an inch, though this has a questionable influence on the shot's outcome, it is nonetheless deemed an infraction of the rules, and is not permitted.
Sweeping an opposition stone above the t-line will usually influence the outcome more than will the previously mentioned infraction - and therefore should not be tolerated.

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, fair play, and respect for one's opponent is the philosophy, and is expected. Therefore, any breach of a rule in order
This was part of the original aspects of "clubhouse" curling. Given the commitment, investments, sacrifices and amount of money and trips available to this sport, it has become a "win first" attitude. Us fans view it as a friendly game, it has changed substantially.

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Eriksson's 4th end sweeping. If Gushue's rock had not been swept so vigorously in front of the T-line would they have scored 2? Doesn't matter because of the win. No matter who does it it is wrong.

WEll played game by Teams Gushue and Edin. Gushue deserves the win. congratulations on a well deserved win.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Greatest Game of All -

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I wouldnt go as far as to say all due, but yes Russ was a huge part of it. The coming years would show Brad still had some learning to do how to skip a winning combination on his own. Russ would have never let him make that crazy call in the 7th or 8th end that cost him and his team the Brier title in 2007 vs Russ's brother.



Have to agree, Russ was a huge part of the team but would of never been in the Trails without the boys, and it was Mark and Brad making the big shots

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the problem with sweeping is that, with every rule in this sport its left up to the players to enforce. officials need to get more involved in making sure the rules are followed.

and yes, eriksson was sweeping to soon .

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Have to agree, Russ was a huge part of the team but would of never been in the Trails without the boys, and it was Mark and Brad making the big shots

okay okay as M.L. previously commented Russ just went along for the ride with Team Gushue

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I do always love the misconception of sweeping here and at the club.

I thought I had always heard that Hebert and Kennedy could carry a rock 8+ feet from beginning to end for the ~114 feet.

And now we have one person sweeping for 6 feet and carrying it out of the house?

I understand if these rocks are barely rolling out of the house, but they are flying out!

It is wrong, against the rules, and shouldn't be done. However, these guys are carrying it multiple feet out of the house?

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I do always love the misconception of sweeping here and at the club.

I thought I had always heard that Hebert and Kennedy could carry a rock 8+ feet from beginning to end for the ~114 feet.

And now we have one person sweeping for 6 feet and carrying it out of the house?

I understand if these rocks are barely rolling out of the house, but they are flying out!

It is wrong, against the rules, and shouldn't be done. However, these guys are carrying it multiple feet out of the house?



Food for thought for sure. One thing is that the house did seam sticky yesterday (trailing white behind rocks). Canada only missed counting two by an inch or so....perhaps sweeping early (when the rock has the most momentum to preserve) made the difference and perhaps not. Since these pros can't seem to follow the rules 10 year olds know perhaps the rule should change to no sweeping of an opponents stone ever. Less is more. I kind of like that rule change actually the more I think about it.

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ML, recency bias at work! I'm going to assume by "Modern" you mean since the move from persimmon wood to metal "woods" and from balata to 4-piece balls (though you might be old enough to go back to hickory : )

Stenson vs Mickelson at the Open Championship last year was pretty unbelievable. Not sure if I'd put yesterday ahead of that one.

Woods v Duval v Mickelson at the Masters in 2001 was an exciting battle.

Phil v Monty v Ogilvey at the US Open in 2006 was pretty good.

Sergio v Harrington at the '07 Open and the '08 PGA are up there as well.

Woods v May at the 2000 PGA. Woods v DiMarco at 2005 Masters and my vote perhaps....

Woods vs Rocco at the 2008 US Open

...and there are many more.


And Greatest Curling Game? Not even in the Top 10 for me.



There were a few Brier "finishes" that were better than Goo vs. Edin - and I'll give you a few:

1981 - 22 yr old Kerry Burtnyk w/ Mark 'The Scoreboard' Olson at 3rd, score a 3 on the final end to put legendary Iceman Al Hackner to the sidelines. Hackner later seen in hotel - only thing hold him up were a cluster of helium balloons affixed to his neck.

Hackner's "Iceman Special" thin double vs. Pat "The Crooner" Ryan to secure the gold.

Don Duguid almost falling on his final stone in round-robin to win 1970 Brier in Winnipeg - Duguid came out shakier than Gary Bettman at a Stanley Cup presentation - Jim Pettapiece fell about half-way down and Duguid made game-winning takeout in front of 11,000 roaring local fans by about 2 inches. But a win is a win.

Memory says Northcott won a couple tense ones.

I'm sure there were others. Just loved how clinical Sergio Gushue was, the great demeanour shown by all members of the team. Edin was fighting like the Dickens to get that deuce - and Brad & The Boys held him off like there was no tomorrow. I look for the game inside the game Milo K; Gushue was astonishing. Very proud to have him represent entire country.

Battle of THE JENS - Jen Jones vs. Jenn Hanna was the most incredible curling finish I've ever seen.

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okay okay as M.L. previously commented Russ just went along for the ride with Team Gushue


Lol literally no point arguing with him. You'll never win. Everyone knows what Russ brought to the team and acknowledges the credit.

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I do always love the misconception of sweeping here and at the club.

I thought I had always heard that Hebert and Kennedy could carry a rock 8+ feet from beginning to end for the ~114 feet.

And now we have one person sweeping for 6 feet and carrying it out of the house?

I understand if these rocks are barely rolling out of the house, but they are flying out!

It is wrong, against the rules, and shouldn't be done. However, these guys are carrying it multiple feet out of the house?


In the Erickson case, he began sweeping Canada's stone a good 2 or 3 feet in front of the t-line, and swept it just far enough (I believe to the back 8 foot) for Canada to score only 1 instead of 2. As 'Western Newbie' mentioned (and as I mentioned earlier), a valid argument could be made that his sweeping sooner than the rules allow robbed Canada of that 2nd point that end.

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, fair play, and respect for one's opponent is the philosophy, and is expected. Therefore, any breach of a rule in order
This was part of the original aspects of "clubhouse" curling. Given the commitment, investments, sacrifices and amount of money and trips available to this sport, it has become a "win first" attitude. Us fans view it as a friendly game, it has changed substantially.


Sadly, you're right. The increased TV coverage and increased money in curling are ruining the informal, respectful nature of the sport at the elite level.

Everyone wants to be a 'rock star'...

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