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04-12-15 01:33PM |
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UCF
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Way too much celebrating!!
I don't know about these over exagerrated celebrations by the Jacobs team. Am I the only one who saw Middaugh give R. Harnden a shove? Good on him for doing so, I mean chest pumps.......come on. Curling is not the place for this behaviour. Even football has penalties for over celebrating and maybe it's time for the CCA and the WCT to do something. I know I am not the only curler who feels this way however I know that some folks think the Jacobs team reactions and attitude are good for the growth of the sport.
Any thoughts??
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04-12-15 01:52PM |
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rick8end
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I actually turned it off after the double so I wouldn't have to watch their celebration. All teams celebrate big shots, including McEwen. But IMO, the Jacobs rink takes it to the extreme at the end of games especially and they're almost disrespectful at times. If they did chest bumps as you suggest, that's quasi-ridiculous as they were dominated throughout the game. They should have been sheepish and wiped their brow, as opposed to 'we're superior' chest bumps. But that's who they are and they won't be changing anytime soon. As for it being good for the sport, poor sportsmanship is never good for any sport.
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04-12-15 01:53PM |
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Claire Marie
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Yes, let them celebrate however they want...I don't find it offensive at all.
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04-12-15 02:09PM |
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brier1
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If looks could kill , with the shove and the look that Wayne game Harden after the game . I don't think Wayne will be getting any taps on his shoes when his knees are one the ice when they meet again or their might be fireworks .
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04-12-15 03:03PM |
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Claire Marie
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Sour grapes on Middaugh's part. If anyone makes a shot like that to win a game, they should be allowed to let loose a bit.
I've seen it happen before and not by the Jacobs team either. The pot shouldn't call the kettle black.
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04-12-15 03:14PM |
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misty1
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i mean...let them celebrate. they REALLY want a grand slam . its the one thing missing on their resume
I guess if i was a fellow competitor on the ice i could see how others might not love seeing that
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04-12-15 03:21PM |
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BMalc
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First of all, I don't think Wayne actually pushed Harnden. Harnden was chest bumping Jacobs and backed into Wayne, who was trying to exit the sheet. The celebration by the Jacobs squad was over the top. It is getting a little old. If you listened to Kevin and Mike, it wasn't that hard a shot for that level as he had so many ways to make it. Don't get me wrong, it was a good shot, but I think most skips at that level expect to make it.
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04-12-15 03:34PM |
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JustAnotherHack
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Celebrations are great. Love 'em when it's for something really meaningful like winning a Gold in the Olympics, or winning the Brier/Worlds or maybe even the Player's Championship.
Acting like pricks are not. The Hardens (and Team Jacobs as a whole, but I think Fry and Jacobs are slightly more reserved) are sliding over that line quite a bit these days. Sometimes I wonder if they're trying to become a bit of a parody of themselves with the over-the-top celebrations.
A semi-final means you haven't won anything yet... save the hooting and hollering for later. Even if it was a "tough" shot, which really, it wasn't that hard at that level.
I probably would have given the Harden's a bit of tap if they got into my face. Good for Wayne, even if it was "accidental".
(And if I ever EVER catch anyone doing this during a league/club curling game... I will call you out. And you might get more than a tap from me.)
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04-12-15 04:16PM |
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Prawnpuller
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They were outplayed most of the game and very lucky to get the W . For goodness sakes show a little respect and composure.
They have to realize that as Olympic champs they are a role model for kids coming into the game. I'm old school..in my day after being outplayed all game and squeaking out a win we would have tapped the opposition on the bum ( oh sorry that's not cool in this era ) , looked em in the eye and gave them a good handshake. Respect.......I have visions of kids in our junior programs thinking these actions are cool.
So sorry In my opinion they are being as@es.
Two things can happen................One is bad
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04-12-15 04:31PM |
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misty1
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i think people need to cool down here. these guys wear their hearts on their sleeves and like i said they want a grand slam title badly.
they do go overboard at times but they are passionate abiut this game.
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04-12-15 04:42PM |
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HotRocks
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Copy That
quote: Originally posted by Claire Marie
Yes, let them celebrate however they want...I don't find it offensive at all.
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04-12-15 05:02PM |
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albetts
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Re: Copy That
quote: Originally posted by HotRocks
Yes. let them celebrate. Good luck tonight guys.
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04-12-15 05:07PM |
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guido
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quote: Originally posted by Claire Marie
Sour grapes on Middaugh's part. If anyone makes a shot like that to win a game, they should be allowed to let loose a bit.
"a bit" is the key part of your statement.
I use to be a big fan of Jacobs team. I am gradually losing interest in them with every over the top celebration. I can see that when you win the Olympics or the Brier. But a semi-final in a G.S.??? In Jacobs words, come on.
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04-12-15 05:19PM |
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HotRocks
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Who Cares?
Why does anyone get affected by how a Team reacts to winning a game..a tournament, a gold, whatever? ..
THEY do all that hard work.. probably Daily..Staying fit..Throwing rocks... working their tails off brushing in games.. spending endless time away from family and friends to compete and work on getting to the top...
Good Athletes celebrating has never and never will
"bother me".. what I don't like is the losers that break brooms, tear off their shirts, punch lockers and throw temper Tantrums
The lack of Support for one of the Top Teams in the world is actually quite amazing....sounds a little jealous....
Oh.. and if you think kids don't go nuts when they win big..
watch a few more of their events..
being joyful is a Good Emotion!!
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04-12-15 05:32PM |
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Prawnpuller
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quote: Originally posted by misty1
i think people need to cool down here. these guys wear their hearts on their sleeves and like i said they want a grand slam title badly.
they do go overboard at times but they are passionate abiut this game.
Celebrating a win is fine but act like adults............hell maybe Wayner should of given Harnden a nudge in the nards with his knee and make it a full WWF event.
Two things can happen............One is bad
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04-12-15 05:41PM |
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guido
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Pat Simmons had the best celebration when he won the Brier this year.
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04-12-15 05:41PM |
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lolar3288
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Considering Wayne had them on the ropes most of the game with a very young team, I didn't see any reason for all the show. They were dammed lucky Wayne was a tad heavy on his last shot or they would have been packing and pulling out their bus tickets.
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04-12-15 05:42PM |
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rick8end
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Re: Who Cares?
quote: Originally posted by HotRocks
Why does anyone get affected by how a Team reacts to winning a game..a tournament, a gold, whatever? ..
THEY do all that hard work.. probably Daily..Staying fit..Throwing rocks... working their tails off brushing in games.. spending endless time away from family and friends to compete and work on getting to the top...
Good Athletes celebrating has never and never will
"bother me".. what I don't like is the losers that break brooms, tear off their shirts, punch lockers and throw temper Tantrums
The lack of Support for one of the Top Teams in the world is actually quite amazing....sounds a little jealous....
Oh.. and if you think kids don't go nuts when they win big..
watch a few more of their events..
being joyful is a Good Emotion!!
It has nothing to do with jealousy. This is a team that whacked the back of another player's knees because they didn't like what he was doing on the ice. Meanwhile they're chest bumping into the opposition before even shaking their hands. Yes, that's incredibly classy. I agree it's the front end who are causing this dislike for Team Jacobs.
There's a big difference between using your emotions during a game to motivate you, and egotistically celebrating a (fluke) win and contacting an opposition player before you have even shook hands. If something like that happened on the football field or in a hockey area, Harnden would have been decked. Middaugh at least had the class to realize curling is supposed to be a gentleman's game.
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04-12-15 05:53PM |
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HotRocks
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Over thne Top reaction
(1) the tapping of other players for keeping their knees on the ice.. is wrong and should not happen again.. thats in the past.. yet you relate that to this celebration..
(2) Have you actually competed ON the ice against the Jacobs Team?
You, of course have every right to your POV.. but I dont think many Men.. would be so put off by "chest bumps"..
I remember in days gone by when Wayne Middaugh was not so much of a "gentleman in curling" .. like fingering the crowd...( just sayin)
I like the Jacobs Team.. so I guess we shall see what happens tonight in the Men's Final..
Cheers
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04-12-15 06:42PM |
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rick8end
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You don't have to curl against Team Jacobs to realize they have little to no thought for the team that has just lost as they do their alpha celebrations. If they congratulated the other team first and then went into their routine, fine, do whatever you want. But as long as they do idiotic chest bumps, bumping into opposition players before they have even shaken hands, then in my mind they lack class. And i imagine that most competitive curlers would agree.
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04-12-15 06:49PM |
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jspickle45
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that celebration was over the top considering middaughs miss gave them the game,like going crazy in golf after a guy misses a putt for you to win
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04-12-15 06:49PM |
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misty1
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quote: Originally posted by rick8end
You don't have to curl against Team Jacobs to realize they have little to no thought for the team that has just lost as they do their alpha celebrations. If they congratulated the other team first and then went into their routine, fine, do whatever you want. But as long as they do idiotic chest bumps, bumping into opposition players before they have even shaken hands, then in my mind they lack class. And i imagine that most competitive curlers would agree.
id imagine you are wrong
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04-12-15 07:21PM |
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wsj28
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quote: Originally posted by Manitoba Legend
If Wayne wanted to terminate such celebrations he might be advised to make his last rock (fairly simple angle freeze to side 4) and stop Team Jacobs in their tracks.
Maybe Wayne should play a few more games a year rather than being airlifted in when some kid has to write an exam and the college won't allow him to postpone it a day or two.
I believe it was a graduation - don't think a university will postpone a graduation for one curler to play a G.S. tie breaker.
Think before you speak, ya old fart!
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04-12-15 07:21PM |
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SooCurler
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quote: Originally posted by misty1
id imagine you are wrong
This thread actually made me register. It bothers me that people think it is acceptable for curlers to behave the way the Jacobs team did and do.
Unlike pretty much everyone here I HAVE played against Jacobs and the Harndens even before they made the jump to the national scene. They behaved like spoiled children even then. Imagine all the same screaming, swearing and broom slamming you see from them at the Brier or a GSC event, but during a Tuesday night men's league.
Unfortunately the Soo, being a small town, have idolized these man children to the point of stupidity and they get away with far too much up here and no one is willing to call them on it. Pat Simmons, winning the Brier is a prime example of how to celebrate. Mike McEwen defeating Epping, that is an example of winning graciously. What the Jacobs rink do is embarrassing for Sault Ste. Marie and curling.
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04-12-15 07:32PM |
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curlerbroad
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Sounds like the team is the Bubba Watson of curling...I have to agree a bit over the top for a SF win
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