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Unforced Errors
The TSN folks have just brought up the subject of "unforced errors" as a statistic. By "unforced", we're talking about hits that don't roll out when trying to blank or missed free draws/open hits that roll out when trying for multiple scores that result in taking a single and giving up hammer. There may be others-I think that they're onto something.
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| 03-28-14 05:05PM |
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I think Forced vs Unforced situations and how often players are throwing in them would be a big stat on game calling......
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| 03-28-14 09:01PM |
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Re: Unforced Errors
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Originally posted by Jimbobogie
The TSN folks have just brought up the subject of "unforced errors" as a statistic. By "unforced", we're talking about hits that don't roll out when trying to blank or missed free draws/open hits that roll out when trying for multiple scores that result in taking a single and giving up hammer. There may be others-I think that they're onto something.
Obviously they are borrowing this term from other sports. Years ago golf announcers tried using the term during broadcasts and it never caught on - some viewers and golfers even objected to its use.
The term makes sense in sports where there is real time interaction between opposing teams, or competitors (basketball, tennis, etc), but not in curling where teams take turns playing.
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Obviously they are borrowing this term from other sports. Years ago golf announcers tried using the term during broadcasts and it never caught on - some viewers and golfers even objected to its use.
The term makes sense in sports where there is real time interaction between opposing teams, or competitors (basketball, tennis, etc), but not in curling where teams take turns playing.
Is that not what "unforced" error can mean though? Yes in tennis an unforced error is when the player hits it into the net or hits it wide/long when the ball comes back to them without any huge pace or hitting corners, etc. So yes, in this instance an unforced error did have a direct interaction with the opposition. However, unforced basically means there was no pressure by the opposition. So I believe that in curling this can be said of an open hit that is flashed, a blank attempt that doesn't roll out, a free draw for an extra point, a guard that slides into the rings...etc. There is no pressure being put on by the opponent to make these shots...it's not a delicate tap back on a rock that is fully buried.
You're above comments don't really make sense to me.
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| 03-29-14 12:13PM |
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Re: Re: Re: Unforced Errors
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However, unforced basically means there was no pressure by the opposition. So I believe that in curling this can be said of an open hit that is flashed, a blank attempt that doesn't roll out, a free draw for an extra point, a guard that slides into the rings...etc. There is no pressure being put on by the opponent to make these shots...it's not a delicate tap back on a rock that is fully buried.
You're above comments don't really make sense to me.
So if there is a single opposition rock in the rings, with no guards, you are saying the opposition is not putting pressure on the other team. And you think my comments don't make sense. 
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So if there is a single opposition rock in the rings, with no guards, you are saying the opposition is not putting pressure on the other team. And you think my comments don't make sense.
That's exactly what I'm saying. Pressure of making a difficult/delicate shot.
When comparing [A] an open hit (that gets flashed) vs [B] a tap on a rock that is fully buried that is almost made but doesn't get shot rock....you would say those errors are equal or you don't have the ability to classify them?
No. Scenario A is an unforced error. Scenario B is a forced error.
Does it make sense to keep these stats in curling, perhaps not. But the semantics of how the terminology is used, is very clear and easy to understand.
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| 03-29-14 08:28PM |
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Unforced Errors
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That's exactly what I'm saying. Pressure of making a difficult/delicate shot.
When comparing [A] an open hit (that gets flashed) vs [B] a tap on a rock that is fully buried that is almost made but doesn't get shot rock....you would say those errors are equal or you don't have the ability to classify them?
No. Scenario A is an unforced error. Scenario B is a forced error.
Does it make sense to keep these stats in curling, perhaps not. But the semantics of how the terminology is used, is very clear and easy to understand.
Given the current use of the terms "forced/unforced" in sports broadcasting it is not clear.
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