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12-16-18 11:54AM
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curious what ratings will be for mens final

probably hardcore 20,000 men and 700,000 bored widows

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Mens final up against NFL countdown to playoffs coverage. Also features a fairly new group of relative unknowns vs. the Young Mouat group of Scottish conquerors who served up perennial supermen Koe, Goo & Jacob's heads on a platter. Wonder if the new kids on the block can hang with Cousin Brucie.

Women's final might be a preamble to the Scotties playoffs w/ Homan vs. Einarson. Homan suddenly powered up vs. Jen Jones and put the 6-time STOH & 9-team Slam champs down with relative ease. Einarson managed to navigate a slightly closer win vs. Tirinzoni - even with Paetz making every double in the book.

Form chart says Emma & Rachel are just too consistent & high percentage pelters to allow Einarson a slam win.

Einarson is an emerging superstar, no question - but she squanders too many basic shots and doesn't have the superb team communication & power-brushing Homan has. At this point they are the 2 best women's teams in Canada and amongst the top 5 in the world.

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1. Hasselborg, 2. Homan, 3. Einarson, 4. Jones, 5. ???

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Not having a Canadian team to cheer for, the championship game has lost much of its appeal to me.

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With skips both shooting 60% ,seems neither is in winning form.

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Mens final up against NFL countdown to playoffs coverage. Also features a fairly new group of relative unknowns vs. the Young Mouat group of Scottish conquerors who served up perennial supermen Koe, Goo & Jacob's heads on a platter. Wonder if the new kids on the block can hang with Cousin Brucie.

Women's final might be a preamble to the Scotties playoffs w/ Homan vs. Einarson. Homan suddenly powered up vs. Jen Jones and put the 6-time STOH & 9-team Slam champs down with relative ease. Einarson managed to navigate a slightly closer win vs. Tirinzoni - even with Paetz making every double in the book.

Form chart says Emma & Rachel are just too consistent & high percentage pelters to allow Einarson a slam win.

Einarson is an emerging superstar, no question - but she squanders too many basic shots and doesn't have the superb team communication & power-brushing Homan has. At this point they are the 2 best women's teams in Canada and amongst the top 5 in the world.

World rankings:

1. Hasselborg, 2. Homan, 3. Einarson, 4. Jones, 5. ???



think muirhead is still in the top 10. she is, as you'll remember recovering from surgery and adjusting to life without longtime third anna sloan.

even still , while her euros were disappointing she's had good results elsewhere. 3rd in the world cup and was the only one to beat fujisawa there. if not for a disastrous 8th end in her first game against fujisawa she could have even been in the final. then quarterfina here with wins over homan and scheidegger. when she's back in peak form look out.

rounding out the top 10 would be fujisawa, tirinzoni, eun jung kim and then ..it's tough. if we base it off of peak play then sidorova and roth .though sinclair, shceidegger, wrana , kovaleva and min ji kim are all close. and i'm really interested in seeing how elena stern and ursi hegner develop for switzerland. stern has had a great season and hegner is quielty racking up wins with former world junior champ and reigning mixed double champ michele jaggi throwing last.

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think muirhead is still in the top 10. she is, as you'll remember recovering from surgery and adjusting to life without longtime third anna sloan.

even still , while her euros were disappointing she's had good results elsewhere. 3rd in the world cup and was the only one to beat fujisawa there. if not for a disastrous 8th end in her first game against fujisawa she could have even been in the final. then quarterfina here with wins over homan and scheidegger. when she's back in peak form look out.

rounding out the top 10 would be fujisawa, tirinzoni, eun jung kim and then ..it's tough. if we base it off of peak play then sidorova and roth .though sinclair, shceidegger, wrana , kovaleva and min ji kim are all close. and i'm really interested in seeing how elena stern and ursi hegner develop for switzerland. stern has had a great season and hegner is quielty racking up wins with former world junior champ and reigning mixed double champ michele jaggi throwing last.



Some post-Boost observations:

1) Homan squashed both manitoba teams with her assertive shot-pelting and return to prime defensive curling. Neither Jones nor Einarson had much of a chance. I would have thought at least one of them would have given them a test.

2) Casey Scheidegger's stock has fallen a tad since her hot start - not getting the finish on her shots and team seems a bit shaky. I'm sure she'll get form back prior to Alberta provincials - advantage won't have to work her way thru Valberta Sweeting and/or the recently retired gal.

3) Speaking of Val Sweeting and outside of Team Homan's dominance she was the outstanding performer at this event. Coming on strong. If they can improve team communication and round out Einarson's rough edges I suspect they'll make it to Final 3 in Manitoba with an assortment of Fleury, Robertson, Spencer, etc. Kristy McDonald is also back on the trail - but she meeked out badly at a Scotties qualifier this weekend. Still has more chances.

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Wish you would at least watch the game if you are going to be commenting on it, ML. In the game I watched most of Homans points (the few she had) were stolen points because Kerri missed routine shots for this level of curling. Furthermore, Homans 60% does not do much "pelting" and would have lost to any team there with normal shooting percentages. Yes, Rachel at her best is very good but she was not even close in the championship game.

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Ajay about right.

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Wish you would at least watch the game if you are going to be commenting on it, ML. In the game I watched most of Homans points (the few she had) were stolen points because Kerri missed routine shots for this level of curling. Furthermore, Homans 60% does not do much "pelting" and would have lost to any team there with normal shooting percentages. Yes, Rachel at her best is very good but she was not even close in the championship game.


...and I'd wish you'd actually know the stats before you act superior to anyone else's posts. Really tough ice yesterday as evidenced by the struggles in both the men's and women's finals. So, given that situation, Homan's 70% was enough to get the job done. Congrats to both teams for making it to the final.

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Joanie McCusker lost a ton of credibility - with me anyways when she kept fawning praise on Kerri Einarson - referring to Einarson as a seasoned, CONSISTENT performer.

If anything it true - its the opposite. Einarson can be infuriatingly INCONSISTENT.

Jones can be erratic due to her level of difficulty, calling a hyper-aggressive game unless she's up 3 or 4. Jones also miffs the odd open shot or draw for extra points but she's capable of curling 48% in the first half of a curling game - then suddenly picking herself off the floor and going nuts the final half of game with amazing shots.

Einarson doesn't do that!

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For me the game was basically decided in the third end with strange calls on both of Einarson's rocks. She could have taken one at least with a draw to the eight foot to tie. But she seemed intent on trying a low percentage shot for a bigger end. Then they start pressing and it just got worse from there. However they have had a great run so far this year and I do want some of the Canadian teams besides Jones and Homan to elevate their game.

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Pretty average women's game yesterday - lots of misses and poor decisions. Fun to watch though. I didn't watch the men's game none of my favorites where playing and I had brunch plans.

Yes Joan does lavish lots of praise sometimes...I also saw Einerson be rather inconsistent against Jones in the Canada Cup.

Just a thought, maybe it's time Kaitlyn threw last rock while JJ calls the game? Would we ever see that happen?

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Pretty average women's game yesterday - lots of misses and poor decisions. Fun to watch though. I didn't watch the men's game none of my favorites where playing and I had brunch plans.

Yes Joan does lavish lots of praise sometimes...I also saw Einerson be rather inconsistent against Jones in the Canada Cup.

Just a thought, maybe it's time Kaitlyn threw last rock while JJ calls the game? Would we ever see that happen?



I would actually go further than you curlerbroad - I'd put JJ down to 2nd or lead while still letting her call the game cuz she's in no condition to brush more than a handful of stones!

In the past if you made the move then you'd have the problem of replacing Kaitlyn - Jill was never a nuanced curler and Dawn is mostly a draw specialist. However, with Peterman on board the problem is solved.

Our gleeful speculation aside we'll never see this happen. Jones is the boss pure 'n simple, whether she curls 88% (rarely) or turns in putrids (50 to 68%)

I fear if Jones & Einarson continue their inconsistent play Homan may have little to no problem burying both at the Tournament of Hearts. If Scheidegger powers up again, she'll present more of a problem to Rachel than either of the Manitoba super-teams!

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A rules question. In hockey, if a goalie is having an "off" game, they put in the backup. If a skip has an "off" game, can players be switched during a game. Would be readily doable by Einarson rink since the are all skips.

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A rules question. In hockey, if a goalie is having an "off" game, they put in the backup. If a skip has an "off" game, can players be switched during a game. Would be readily doable by Einarson rink since the are all skips.


I've wondered about this, I think there's no rules against it per se, and would work out fine for them, I would think. I know (to no luck) Team Homan experimented with a bit of team position change in the Player's Championship (to no luck).

I would think it would depend on how comfortable the player is playing a position (along with ability). Some temp changes could work; say for example if BJ Neufeld gets a bit hurt but still otherwise able to play (maybe Scott would be unavailable for some reason or another), he could prob skip just fine (he has temporary skipped Team McEwan for an event), and Koe could play third (who has experience). If not him, Colton who was skip in his former team.

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Can't change midgame

It IS in the rules. Once the lineup is submitted 30 minutes prior to the game, it cannot be changed. Players can come out and be replaced by their 5th in the same position only. I'll dig and see if I can find the link.

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Short answer in NO. There are circumstances shown where players come in or out or join late, but still must maintain original order.






The delivery rotation declared by a team prior to the start of a game shall be followed throughout that game except as provided for in Rule 5(5), 5(6) or 5(7).

(5) Unless otherwise specified in the special rules of the competition:

(a) A team shall include a minimum of two (2) players from the original team and a substitute player(s).

(b) A substitute player shall be:

i) A team’s designated alternate;

ii) A player from a players’ pool, or;

iii) Other eligible player as provided for in the rules of the competition.

(c) A team may play with three (3) players with the first two (2) players each delivering three (3) consecutive stones in each end. Under no circumstance may a team play with fewer than three (3) players delivering stones.

(d) A substitute player who joins a team prior to the start of a game may deliver stones in any position of the delivery rotation of the team. The team shall declare their delivery rotation at this time.

(e) A substitute player who joins a team between ends may deliver stones in any position of the delivery rotation of their team. The team may re-declare their delivery rotation at this time.

(f) During an end in play, if a player(s) is unable to complete the delivery rotation declared by the team at the start of the game, the team may activate a substitute player(s) subject to:

(i) A substitute player may only enter a game during an end if they deliver a stone within that end.

(ii) A substitute player(s) who enters a game during an end shall replace the sidelined player(s) in the team’s delivery rotation for that end.

(iii) At the beginning of the next end, the substitute player may deliver stones in any position of the delivery rotation of their team.

(iv) The replaced team member may not return to the game.

(6) A team that commences a game with three (3) players and expects the fourth player to join the team, the fourth player may enter an end already in progress providing they are able to deliver a stone within the team’s established delivery rotation. Prior to the next end, the team may re-establish the delivery rotation.

(7)
(a) If a player delivers their first stone of the end and is unable to deliver their second stone of the end and the rules of the competition allow the team to continue play with three players and the team chooses to play with three players, the following procedures shall be followed:

(i) If the lead player, the second player shall deliver the stone;

(ii) If the second player, the lead player shall deliver the stone;

(iii) If the third player, the second player shall deliver the stone;

(iv) If the fourth player, the third player shall deliver the stone.

(b) If a player is unable to deliver both their stones during an end and the rules of the competition allow the team to continue with three players and the team chooses to play with three (3) players, the following procedures shall be followed for the end in progress:

(i) If the lead player, the second player shall deliver both of the lead player’s stones and one of the second player’s stones, and the third player shall deliver one of the second player’s stones and both of the third player’s stones.

(ii) If the second player, the lead player shall deliver the first of the second player’s stones, and the third player shall deliver the second of the second player’s stones and both of the third player’s stones.

(iii) If the third player, the lead player shall deliver the first of the third stones and the second player shall deliver the second of the third player’s stones.

(iv) If the fourth player, the second delivers the fourth’s first stone and the third delivers the fourth’s second stone.

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That's interesting, had no idea it was that stringent.

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Wrong. You can reshuffle the delivery order when the substitute comes in (assuming they come in between ends). Rule 5(5)e shown above says explicity that.

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Wrong. You can reshuffle the delivery order when the substitute comes in (assuming they come in between ends). Rule 5(5)e shown above says explicity that. [/QUOTE




The original question was using Einarson as the example, as all 4 are skips can they switch positions mid game. NO. One player would have to come out of the game, not to return, and then they could insert their 5th player at the point, following all of the above criteria.

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Correct, they would need to make a substitutition, I guess I misunderstood the question

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Correct, they would need to make a substitution, I guess I misunderstood the question


So the substitution enables the re-setting of positions?

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So the substitution enables the re-setting of positions?




For the love of GOD Gerry fix this. Just spent 5 minutes replying only to have it vanish!!!!

I give up

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In off

For Gods sake take a pill and buy a new commodore

Btw. No one ever reads these posts except the poster to see how Her post is recieved

Or send $10 to the site for programing - didnt think so

You remind me of that polish kid trying to ground ever airline
- $2400 claim for luggage on a $200 flight - every slimeball in Canada will be ripping them off

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I’ve had similar posting problems In Off.

Fresca, these are problems with this forum’s software, not with our computers. They started when Gerry did an “upgrade” in the summer off-season last year. The fact it’s been that long with no fixes makes me conclude we may as well complain to a brick wall.

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