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02-18-18 11:13AM
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Yeah, only giving them 2 years notice is hardly enough warning... except Wada banned it in 2015 and officially banned it 2016. It appears it is used to transport more oxygen to the muscles when used by athletes. Similar to blood doping.

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Assuming the B test confirms that the Russians were running modified instead of stock, two conclusions come to mind:
Norway should get the Bronze.
China should have been in the playoffs. Too late to remedy this.

If the IOC had any cojones they would send the Russians home today.

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you would have to be pretty stupid to think more oxygen and muscle would make much differencein curling

in mixed you might be able to jump up and dust the rock a few strokes - knowing that you are doing nothing much anyway on most shots

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How does an athlete not know? Norway gets bronze. Bad for China. Probably bad for couple's relationship too. Innocent until proven guilty - but pendulum has swung. #whyCurling?! #OhWhy?!

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you would have to be pretty stupid to think more oxygen and muscle would make much differencein curling

in mixed you might be able to jump up and dust the rock a few strokes - knowing that you are doing nothing much anyway on most shots


It helps the body recover quicker after exercise . Could have been in his system from before competition start.

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Why why would this story be out when it is subject to confirmation of a second test? Seems rediculous .

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I thought all the Russians were tested before they were allowed to compete.....because they were the CLEAN ones.

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I read a story where he said he thinks one of the other Russian men who didn’t make the team slipped him something in his drinks at their Japan holding camp just before the event.

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I feel sorry for China who got screwed out of the playoffs

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I read a story where he said he thinks one of the other Russian men who didn’t make the team slipped him something in his drinks at their Japan holding camp just before the event.


Why would a player that didn't make the team be with the team pre event. That is a Trumpian level excuse.

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It helps the body recover quicker after exercise . Could have been in his system from before competition start.



This, right here.

Think about it, curling is the longest Olympic Competition per medal event.

Even in mixed (shorter than 4's), the medaling teams played 9 2 hour long games, that's 18 hours of effort to win their medal.

Yes, it's not like it's 100% cardio effort every second of that time (or even most seconds), but it is stop/start cycling (which is physically taxing), uneven schedules (physically taxing), stressful mental situations (physically taxing), the list goes on.

Frankly, some PED's would likely be *more* beneficial in curling than other sports *during the run of the competition*.

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I read a story where he said he thinks one of the other Russian men who didn’t make the team slipped him something in his drinks at their Japan holding camp just before the event.
No, no ...I have it on good authority that it was Ben Johnson and he slipped something into Krushelnitsky's "Sarsaparilla and Ginseng" drink.

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An interesting article in Washington Post on the incident ...

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The article fresca mentioned:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...m=.56dfe581ced2

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There was another article too Alan .. but this one has the 62 comments which are interesting
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During the men's game last night, or early this am, they said the B result would be in 5 hours. It's been 12. Anyone hear any updates?

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I've read that the B sample tested positive for meldonium too.

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I read a story where he said he thinks one of the other Russian men who didn’t make the team slipped him something in his drinks at their Japan holding camp just before the event.


The specific levels determined in the lab tests would be telling. While meldonium has an initial half-life of 4-6 hours, detectable levels remain in the body for up to 60-90 days after dosing. The therapeutic dosage is very high, 1500-2000 mg per day. It can be used for about 4-6 weeks, then its effects wane, and you need to take a break before getting a therapeutic benefit again. Meldonium is an inhibitor of carnitine biosynthesis, which has complex indirect effects on glucose metabolism that can temporarily improve cellular energy production. This would of course benefit any athlete.

The amount found in the athlete sample would likely give a clue to the possible timing of therapeutic dosing.

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During the Sharapova (tennis) doping scandal, I read numerous posts from reputable eastern European people that meldonium is a very common over-the-counter medication, as common as Vitamin C would be over here. I have no sympathy for the Russian curler though as, whether the medication is innocuous or not, there's no good reason for him not knowing that it was banned a year ago and that its ingestion had caused a lot of grief for many athletes from various sports and he had to stay far away from it.

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