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03-15-13 04:42PM |
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jhcurl
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Team USA at Women's Worlds
quote: Originally posted by tuck
Time to start cheering for World Womens and the Brown-Tetley rink. I thing a good way to start out would be to read the newspaper article about their fifth:
http://www.delcotimes.com/articles/...3924.txt#photo1>http://www.delcotimes.com/articles/...3924.txt#photo1
While mostly about the Anderson twins and Sarah's pending trip to Latvia, you can also get a feel for Erika's graciousness from her quotes.
At the risk of being repetitive, I really like this team's chances of bringing back medals to the USA...and gold is not out of the question. I like Canada, Switzerland, Scotland and America to make the playoffs.
Ben Tucker
Starting a separate thread for this because I can.
For those that have access to TSN, CAN v USA is on Monday around Noon ET. There will also be some games shown on the WCF channel on youtube for the USA. Go to the WCF website for the details.
GO USA!!!
JH
again, just a bad week to be traveling and away from the satellite dish.
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03-16-13 06:57PM |
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jhcurl
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A really good start today. Italy allowed Erika and the team to get comfortable with the ice and then USA put the hammer down (without the hammer).
Canada not looking as strong as advertised. Lost to Scotland with the 2nd on Scotland shooting 20% on draws. All bright points for US to make the final.
JH
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03-16-13 08:27PM |
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by jhcurl
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Canada not looking as strong as advertised. Lost to Scotland with the 2nd on Scotland shooting 20% on draws. All bright points for US to make the final.
Dreaming in technicolor me thinks. Scottish second probably only threw 4 draws and Homan is way better than advertised.
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03-16-13 10:40PM |
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Ice looks tricky with a shade of brutality.
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03-17-13 12:45AM |
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chubb
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I spoke with Erika about the ice and it has been starting about 20 seconds for draws and breaking in from there. Once broken in short times have been about 3.65. Problem is if you need to make a draw down a path that is not fully broken in, it can make you look rather silly.
I am not sure who is doing the ice but I assume all these guys know what they are doing and making great arena ice has become more commonplace. I know Russ and Linda eluded to the rocks but IMO it is more likely the ice maker is running the ice temp a little too cold and we are not seeing great playing conditions yet. Only time will tell.
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03-17-13 01:31AM |
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quote: Originally posted by jhcurl
A really good start today. Italy allowed Erika and the team to get comfortable with the ice and then USA put the hammer down (without the hammer).
Canada not looking as strong as advertised. Lost to Scotland with the 2nd on Scotland shooting 20% on draws. All bright points for US to make the final.
JH
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Sounds like you don't follow Curling very carefully. Canada won 30 games in a row in qualifying; 8-10 of those teams were as strong if not stronger then most of this field.
If you base a game against Italy to get pumped up, prepare for potential disappointment. I don't follow the US team closely but surely they'd have won a big tour event to justify your strong opinion about their chances ? Homan was winning some cash events on the women's tour when she was a junior. I truly don't remember Brown winning anything big before, but maybe I'm biased because some of the ex-pats that I knew here moved to the US and won national titles ( eg Lank and McCormick and they were never close in Canada to even a provincial title ). So its kind of a show me thing when any new US team is touted.
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03-17-13 09:57AM |
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tuck
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JHcurl doesn't follow curling closely??? Dude, you've gotta be kidding me.
New USA team? Dude, you gotta be kidding me.
JH may be a hopeless homer and an unabashed cheerleader, but you'll be hard pressed to find a more knowledgeable curler nor a fan that follows the sport closer.
Tight loss today to a German team that they should beat. I think they should bench Erika and bring in Young Anderson (just kidding).
Chubb, thanks for the inside information on the ice. I really appreciate it. Tell the gals that we are really cheering for them and that they have a ton of support from back home.
Ben Tucker
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03-17-13 10:24AM |
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quote: Originally posted by Nine Ender
Sounds like you don't follow Curling very carefully. Canada won 30 games in a row in qualifying; 8-10 of those teams were as strong if not stronger then most of this field.
If you base a game against Italy to get pumped up, prepare for potential disappointment. I don't follow the US team closely but surely they'd have won a big tour event to justify your strong opinion about their chances ? Homan was winning some cash events on the women's tour when she was a junior. I truly don't remember Brown winning anything big before, but maybe I'm biased because some of the ex-pats that I knew here moved to the US and won national titles ( eg Lank and McCormick and they were never close in Canada to even a provincial title ). So its kind of a show me thing when any new US team is touted.
Erika has been around for years!!!! Perhaps you are catching some of ML's foot in mouth problem.
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03-17-13 02:29PM |
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jhcurl
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Watching the streaming and they are showing the occasional US throw from Erika. Noticing a similar bit of "shakiness" in Erika's delivery. Is she injured, new shoes, other??? Just does not seem to have that same rock solid slide that has been there in the past.
JH
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03-17-13 03:33PM |
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CaptMorgan
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quote: Originally posted by Nine Ender
Sounds like you don't follow Curling very carefully.
...some of the ex-pats that I knew here moved to the US and won national titles ( eg Lank and McCormick and they were never close in Canada to even a provincial title ). So its kind of a show me thing when any new US team is touted.
So tell us 9, you know Lank & McCormick personally?
Did you know McCormick left Canada before she was a curler and competed as a junior for the US and won silver?
So who isn't following curling very carefully?
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03-17-13 03:35PM |
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quote: Originally posted by Nine Ender
...some of the ex-pats that I knew here moved to the US and won national titles ( eg Lank and McCormick and they were never close in Canada to even a provincial title ).
I don't agree w/ JH's rosy predictions for the US ladies--I expect we will finish middle of the pack, well behind Homan et al.--but your comments about Team Brown are stupid. Brown and her vice, Deb McCormick, have won 11 medals in int'l play. That includes McCormick's WCC gold in 2003 and silver in 2006, as well as the multiple medals they earned together as juniors in the early and mid-1990s, when they won the US junior title four years straight. (Brown also represented the US in curling at the '88 Olympics, before Rachel Homan was even in diapers.)
This year Team Brown won two tour events, including the International Bernese Ladies Cup. They have wins against Crystal Webster and Maryanne Arsenault, as well as Anette Norberg and Silvana Tirinzoni.
To summarize for you, Nine Ender, they're not new.
BTW, according to her own bio, McMormick moved to the U.S. from Sask. as a very small child; she learned to curl in Wisconsin. So you are right about one thing: Deb McCormick has never been close to winning a Canadian provincial championship.
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03-17-13 03:42PM |
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misty1
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Didnt they lose the semi to tirinzoni in the bernies ladies cup?
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03-17-13 03:53PM |
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Frykenstein
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quote: Originally posted by misty1
Didnt they lose the semi to tirinzoni in the bernies ladies cup?
They beat Tirinzoni in Brantford, but you're right, they lost to her in Bern. (The "CF" they won there was actually for the bronze.) My bad.
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03-17-13 04:28PM |
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jhcurl
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My friend Frykenstein defends me as well as calls me an idiot for thinking the US can do well at the Women's Worlds. To me, the most impressive team so far is Sweden. Canada won today because Denmark could not make a shot (yes, I watched the whole game). Latvia had a chance against Japan. Germany crapped the bed against Scotland. Switzerland seems lost at times but somehow wins. China seems to have forgot how to curl. I think I noticed the first of probably many lineup changes for Russia.
I know this never happens but could see someone finishing first and then a 14-way tie for second. Really, I think the top "4" is really about the top 8 or 9. There is something happening that is an equalizer - ice, rocks, snow storm, whatever.
JH
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03-17-13 05:48PM |
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quote: Originally posted by CaptMorgan
So tell us 9, you know Lank & McCormick personally?
Did you know McCormick left Canada before she was a curler and competed as a junior for the US and won silver?
So who isn't following curling very carefully?
Nineender may be referring to Heath McCormick not Debbie
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03-17-13 06:04PM |
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Frykenstein
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quote: Originally posted by curlerbroad
Nineender may be referring to Heath McCormick not Debbie
Good point. OTOH, that wouldn't help his/her argument. At all.
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03-17-13 06:58PM |
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misty1
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quote: Originally posted by jhcurl
My friend Frykenstein defends me as well as calls me an idiot for thinking the US can do well at the Women's Worlds. To me, the most impressive team so far is Sweden. Canada won today because Denmark could not make a shot (yes, I watched the whole game). Latvia had a chance against Japan. Germany crapped the bed against Scotland. Switzerland seems lost at times but somehow wins. China seems to have forgot how to curl. I think I noticed the first of probably many lineup changes for Russia.
I know this never happens but could see someone finishing first and then a 14-way tie for second. Really, I think the top "4" is really about the top 8 or 9. There is something happening that is an equalizer - ice, rocks, snow storm, whatever.
JH
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I agree with you it is a very even field. Sweden looks deadly and could very well go one better this year
The denmark that played tonight was not the team that has been present at past events. Lene was godawful..her strength is the draw game and she couldnt make any tonight
Actually everyone seems to be having trouble with draw weight. Its not just denmark or china, its everyone, even canada. The only team that seems to have it under control is sweden. Individually it seems like claire hamilton of scotland and erika brown of the US have it down but the problem is their teams dont.
It doesnt suprise me one bit that switzerland looks a little lost at times. Silvana herself is a wonderful curler and can probably make every shot in the game. Problem may be..as it might always have been is that she doesnt have a reliable 3 playing infront of her
This kind of ice might favor a more defensive game
what was the lineup change for russia?
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03-17-13 07:21PM |
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tuck
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Team USA really needed to start out 2-1, but we're sitting at 1-2. Suddenly a game against Denmark is a Must Win before we face Canada and the Swiss.
Alas, the schedule does us no favors we'll catch the Scots late (when they've figured out how to draw) and China late (when they've remembered how to curl).
A loss to Germany or a loss to Sweden isn't any big thing if it is close...but dropping both games with late charges coming up short ain't a good thing. It is a bad thing.
Still, I ain't off this bandwagon yet. Tricky ice should improve our chances because of our experience. I'm still looking for Canada, Switzerland and the USA to be on the medal stand. Scotland, China, Sweden and Germany could make it...but I'm sticking with my original three.
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03-18-13 02:20AM |
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quote: Originally posted by decade
Erika has been around for years!!!! Perhaps you are catching some of ML's foot in mouth problem.
Excuse me, I was referring to this specific lineup. I have a great deal of respect for Deb McCormick but she was a star for a few years then dropped off skill wise a lot ( or was it confidance ? ). Considering that in the interim teams like China looked awesome and are already noncompetitive now it seems illogical to me that some of you think achievements from years ago somehow translates into this EXACT team winning this year.
My previous post was referring to Heath who used to play in our area and was no lock to win any zone title at the time. He moved to the US and became national champion.
And the undercurrent here is I don't think some of you understand how truly talented this Canadian team is. To be quite blunt, this Canadian team IS stronger by a significant margin then most of these teams. It doesn't mean they will win a playoff game necessarily, but their record this year suggests they have the kind of pedigree and poise that makes that very likely.
If the US develops a team on par good for them. Show me.
Cheerlead all you want but to suggest this Canadian team is overrated is absurd given their steller year involving a huge percentage of wins versus numerous accomplished teams.
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03-18-13 04:14AM |
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CaptMorgan
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quote: Originally posted by Nine Ender
Excuse me, I was referring to this specific lineup. I have a great deal of respect for Deb McCormick but she was a star for a few years then dropped off skill wise a lot ( or was it confidance ? ). Considering that in the interim teams like China looked awesome and are already noncompetitive now it seems illogical to me that some of you think achievements from years ago somehow translates into this EXACT team winning this year.
My previous post was referring to Heath who used to play in our area and was no lock to win any zone title at the time. He moved to the US and became national champion.
And the undercurrent here is I don't think some of you understand how truly talented this Canadian team is. To be quite blunt, this Canadian team IS stronger by a significant margin then most of these teams. It doesn't mean they will win a playoff game necessarily, but their record this year suggests they have the kind of pedigree and poise that makes that very likely.
If the US develops a team on par good for them. Show me.
Cheerlead all you want but to suggest this Canadian team is overrated is absurd given their steller year involving a huge percentage of wins versus numerous accomplished teams.
UpYerKilt. You are very entertaining.
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03-18-13 05:23AM |
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quote: Originally posted by Nine Ender
And the undercurrent here is I don't think some of you understand how truly talented this Canadian team is. To be quite blunt, this Canadian team IS stronger by a significant margin then most of these teams. It doesn't mean they will win a playoff game necessarily, but their record this year suggests they have the kind of pedigree and poise that makes that very likely.
Yeah, you're right. All I hear on this forum is how mediocre Homan's team is.
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03-18-13 01:36PM |
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Frykenstein
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quote: Originally posted by Nine Ender
My previous post was referring to Heath who used to play in our area and was no lock to win any zone title at the time. He moved to the US and became national champion.
Heath McCormick went to Ontario provincials five times and was runner-up in 2003. (He was also Canadian Mixed runner-up in 2004.) He did better than win his zone.
And no, he did not move to the US. He was born here and now lives in ONT. He and his team finished fourth at the 2011 US nationals before going undefeated in 2012. So if your point is that a Canadian also-ran waltzed across the Ambassador Bridge and was immediately crowned King of US Curling by the desperate masses, you're wrong. Again.
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03-18-13 03:31PM |
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tuck
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YES!
USA USA USA
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03-18-13 03:52PM |
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Jeopardy Extra End Category: State Nicknames
None of the USA women are from Missouri...which is odd, because isn't their team motto SHOW ME?
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03-18-13 04:45PM |
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tuck
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The Smarties jingle from my youth: (be glad you're not here or I would sing it to you)
When you eat your Smarties
do you eat the red ones last?
Do you suck them very slowly
or crunch them very fast?
Eat that candy coated outsides
but tell me when I ask!
When you eat your Smarties
do you eat the red ones last?
For all of my Canadian neighbors (neighbours in your Queen's English), please don't read too much into our unedited typing.
We all know that Team Homan is something very special. We just like our chances here better than most years.
Now that Canada has lost two games, return to your frozen homeland filled with the nicest people in the world (and Murphy). Over-react like a New York Yankee fan on a two-game losing streak and meth-amphetamines.
Usually we have about a 35% chance of medaling in World Womens and a 5% chance of getting the gold. I think we have a 55% chance of medaling and a 15% chance at the gold this year. So let me dream my dreams without you misreading that we think your team sucks. They don't and we know it.
Beating Canada in an extra end isn't the end...it's the start of my dream.
Ben Tucker
Thrilled about the day and excited for tomorrow
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