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AlanMacNeill
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Americas Challenge - Brazil vs Minnesota?
I realize that folks think that unless it's Minnesota curling, it's crap...but really...shouldn't it be Brazil vs USA?
Just thinking out loud here...
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| 01-27-17 11:00AM |
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Gerry
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You didn't hear Minnesota was seceding from the Union?
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| 01-27-17 11:34AM |
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nelsosi
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Originally posted by sussman
you could also say it's Minnesota vs. Canada
Did I read somewhere that the Brazil men's team is from Sherbrooke, Quebec?
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| 01-27-17 05:19PM |
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birvin
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Yes, but there is talk of Quebec separating from Brazil.
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| 01-27-17 05:31PM |
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Three
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The Brazilian women just gave up an 8-ender. This is dumb and a waste of time and some federation's money. It would be much better if the Brazilian team was given high level coaching for the week-end and tons of ice-time to practice. Getting blasted in a series of games won't make them better. Good coaching and lots of practice will.
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| 01-27-17 05:31PM |
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fanofcurling
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Originally posted by sussman
you could also say it's Minnesota vs. Canada
You could say it's Duluth vs Canada! for the guys 
Three out of the four guys curl out of the Duluth Curling Club
The games are video streamed at duluthcurlingclub.org or TESN or Youtube. In any event, you can watch the games online.
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| 01-27-17 07:31PM |
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Gerry
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Originally posted by Three
The Brazilian women just gave up an 8-ender. This is dumb and a waste of time and some federation's money. It would be much better if the Brazilian team was given high level coaching for the week-end and tons of ice-time to practice. Getting blasted in a series of games won't make them better. Good coaching and lots of practice will.
Have to start somewhere. The Brazillian Men were at that point a few years ago when they last challenged and now they're much closer. 8-6 loss to Shuster in the first game.
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| 01-27-17 08:50PM |
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CaptMorgan
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quote:
Originally posted by Three
The Brazilian women just gave up an 8-ender. This is dumb and a waste of time and some federation's money. It would be much better if the Brazilian team was given high level coaching for the week-end and tons of ice-time to practice. Getting blasted in a series of games won't make them better. Good coaching and lots of practice will.
I agree, but....giving up an 8 ender in 6 with the score 8-2 means nothing.
In fact, I look at it and see they did not throw any hits and were trying to get rocks in play.
They failed but like Gerry said: "Have to start somewhere."
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| 01-27-17 09:20PM |
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misty1
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I don't know that these games will ever go anywhere. I don't see Brazil ever defeating the united States in this challenge. Either the world's format will change at some point and the Americas will get a 3rd spot or this goes on for a while , eventually Brazil gets tired of losing all the time, gives up and this ends.
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| 01-27-17 09:37PM |
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CaptMorgan
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Originally posted by misty1
I don't know that these games will ever go anywhere. I don't see Brazil ever defeating the united States in this challenge. Either the world's format will change at some point and the Americas will get a 3rd spot or this goes on for a while , eventually Brazil gets tired of losing all the time, gives up and this ends.
You really think that the Brazilians, who all live in Canada, (except Sergio) and curl during the winter, are going to give up? They are leading the next generation of Brazilian patriot's children who are born in Canada and are growing up curling.
You are not a curler. Everyone loses in curling. Everyone.
If you can not handle losing, don't curl.
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| 01-27-17 10:15PM |
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misty1
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quote:
Originally posted by CaptMorgan
You really think that the Brazilians, who all live in Canada, (except Sergio) and curl during the winter, are going to give up? They are leading the next generation of Brazilian patriot's children who are born in Canada and are growing up curling.
You are not a curler. Everyone loses in curling. Everyone.
If you can not handle losing, don't curl.
I just wonder how long this is going to go on. Winning one game would be a good sign in this challenge but they haven't been able to do that so far and until they can we can't even talk about them winning this challenge and we don't send know how long it'll b before they are at the level where the can win a game.
But you talk about theseteams leading the next generation. What breeds interest in a sport in any country is success and the belief that they can compete at the highest level. If kids back home don see their countrymen having success then what are the odds that though will be inspired to pick the sport up.
I would like t think I'm wrong and at some point Brazil will win a challenge because it's always good to see growth and this sport reach new countries. but I don't know that the chances of brazil winning ae are very good. Yes Brazil will be getting better but it's like the US will be standing sill.
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| 01-27-17 10:56PM |
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sussman
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Before the 8-ender, I recall the Brazilian women's skip making a hit and stick against four to score a single point, and the team hugged in celebration. That's where they are now, and hopefully they can come out tomorrow, relax a little bit, and keep it close.
The Brazil men, I have to say, can play a damn game. Their skip bailed them out with some great shots, especially throwing up weight. Too many half-shots throughout the matches but I would not be surprised if they won the third game.
What will be *really* interesting is next year, with USA as the host nation, Brazil would have to challenge Canada. Who wants to tell Kevin Koe what he has to spend a weekend doing?
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| 01-27-17 11:07PM |
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CurlingPiper
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Originally posted by sussman
What will be *really* interesting is next year, with USA as the host nation, Brazil would have to challenge Canada. Who wants to tell Kevin Koe what he has to spend a weekend doing?
The WCF could be in a tough position next year. With the Americans hosting the Worlds in Vegas, they would receive an automatic bye. However, the defending champs also get a bye to next year's championships. Should Canada win the Worlds this year in Edmonton, they would also be guaranteed a spot at the Worlds in Vegas. How then would Brazil even playdown to qualify? With the Europeans, going directly into the C division? With the growing Pacific-Asia qualifier? I personally wouldn't be surprised to see the WCF begin transitioning to a different qualifying system should this be the case next year...
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| 01-27-17 11:17PM |
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CurlingPiper
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Thanks, you're right! Having cleared that up, I'm surprised that the defending champs aren't guaranteed a spot... look at last year - had Denmark beaten Canada in the final, they wouldn't be back to defend their title this year.
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| 01-27-17 11:47PM |
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CaptMorgan
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These teams are representing a country. A COUNTRY!
Not a club, not for fun not for a round of drinks.
A Country.
Chances are there is no one here that has represented a country curling.
If you would get tired representing your country, then you should not be the representative.
Misty you have no clue. ZERO.
I said it before, they are doing it for the future of Brazilian curling.
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| 01-28-17 01:45AM |
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Alice
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Brazilian Men lost by just 2 8-6 v. Shuster? That's very good and at this rate Brazil will be in World's sooner than later.
Did anyone on say the Chinese should not bother trying to qualify for World's when they first appeared on the scene and were lucky to win a few ends? It is thanks to all these countries new to curling that this sport got to the Holy Grail of the Olympics.
Vamos! Forca Brasil!!
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| 01-28-17 08:40AM |
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nelsosi
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The US women won the first two games 16-2 and 12-2.
The men's games are closer, but this still feels silly.
Shouldn't there be some minimum standard of play that is required in order to enter the challenge?
Who pays the expenses to run the event and pay for travel?
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| 01-28-17 11:40AM |
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dbsdbs
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quote:
Originally posted by CurlingPiper
The WCF could be in a tough position next year. With the Americans hosting the Worlds in Vegas, they would receive an automatic bye. However, the defending champs also get a bye to next year's championships. Should Canada win the Worlds this year in Edmonton, they would also be guaranteed a spot at the Worlds in Vegas. How then would Brazil even playdown to qualify? With the Europeans, going directly into the C division? With the growing Pacific-Asia qualifier? I personally wouldn't be surprised to see the WCF begin transitioning to a different qualifying system should this be the case next year...
Forgetting TV money, there is no good reason for any country to automatically qualify for World Championship. Put the host country into the championship and determine a qualification path that applies to all other countries regardless of geography.
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| 01-28-17 01:55PM |
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Gerry
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I would be interested in seeing where it says the returning champions is guaranteed a spot. European teams, Asia-Pacific teams still have to re-qualify each year. I believe only USA is guaranteed a spot next year as host in Las Vegas.
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| 01-28-17 02:50PM |
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CaptMorgan
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Originally posted by nelsosi
Shouldn't there be some minimum standard of play that is required in order to enter the challenge?
Who pays the expenses to run the event and pay for travel?
This is exactly what this is. They are not in the worlds, they are at the qualifying level.
The best team advances.
You think they should be barred from entering a qualifying event because someone's opinion is they do not belong, they are not good enough?
Pretty sure the Brazilian players are self funding. Perhaps a small amount from Sport Brazil.
There was big opposition to the preliminary rounds in the Brier for teams like The Territories or NS that suck at the Brier.
Perhaps they should just make room for them at the Worlds?
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| 01-28-17 03:00PM |
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BDure
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The Brazilian women played really well today. Lost a close one.
That said, maybe the "Pacific" of "Asia-Pacific" should extend this way, just so it's more of an event? Or perhaps have an Americas-Oceania event?
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| 01-28-17 03:31PM |
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Alice
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Originally posted by BDure
The Brazilian women played really well today. Lost a close one.
That said, maybe the "Pacific" of "Asia-Pacific" should extend this way, just so it's more of an event? Or perhaps have an Americas-Oceania event?
World Curling Federation now has only 3 zones: Americas, Euro, and Asia-Pacific. Each Olympic cycle we get more teams playing down to get to Worlds such as Tawian, Hong Kong, and Kastakstan in Asia-Pacific; and Israel and Qatar in Euro. Americas zone is stuck still with just Canada, USA and Brazil.
Because WCF has capped the Asian-Pacific zone at 2 slots for worlds for mens and womens, there are more Euro countries with Olympic points than argueably better Asian teams. Euro with its A, B and C divisions has been a successful place for new curling nations to get experience.
Would more countries south of USA curl if they could join a Southern Asian-Pacific-South of Canada zone? Might that get India, South Africa and Argentina to curl?
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| 01-28-17 05:51PM |
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CaptMorgan
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Originally posted by misty1
I just wonder how long this is going to go on. Winning one game would be a good sign in this challenge but they haven't been able to do that so far and until they can we can't even talk about them winning this challenge and we don't send know how long it'll b before they are at the level where the can win a game.
But you talk about theseteams leading the next generation. What breeds interest in a sport in any country is success and the belief that they can compete at the highest level. If kids back home don see their countrymen having success then what are the odds that though will be inspired to pick the sport up.
I would like t think I'm wrong and at some point Brazil will win a challenge because it's always good to see growth and this sport reach new countries. but I don't know that the chances of brazil winning ae are very good. Yes Brazil will be getting better but it's like the US will be standing sill.
You are a sheep. A follower. You lack incentive. You find excuses to bring down people achieving their goals.
The teams from Brazil are leaders. They saw an opening and jumped at it.
They moved from their birth country to Canada, took up one of Canada's most poplar games, assimilating with one of Canada's traditions, hoping to lead generations to come and you and other trolls here can not see they are pioneers and call them losers.
YOU ARE WRONG.
They are leaders.
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