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12-26-16 10:13AM
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Manitoba Scotties - Jan 24-29, 2017 in Charleswood

Now that the field's been set, here's a guess at the seeding:

1 - Jones
2 - Einarson
3 - Englot
4 - Robertson
5 - Birchard
6 - Overton-Clapham
7 - Meilleur
8 - Peterson
9 - Brown
10 - MacKay
11 - Kilgallen
12 - Menard
13 - Armit
14 - Reed
15 - McLean
16 - Briscoe

First 3 were pretty easy, but then there's a pretty even bunch after that.

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It's at the Eric Coy Arena, right next to the Charleswood CC: http://www.curlmanitoba.org/scotties#.WGFdSkS-cbw

The Charleswood CC is the host club.

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M.L. While most Manitoba fans might not remember when the Scotties were last played in The Peg, many still remember vividly when 'the great jones', as you call her, was competing as the overwhelming favorite in the Gimli Scottie Provincials.
Playing against a bunch of school kids who were incapable of winning a game, let alone a couple of ends, she accused one of them of burning a rock. When the kid said she had not, Jones refused to accept her word and actually refused to play on - tapping her toe, and when the embarrassed kid still refused to cave in, Jones demanded that the Director make a decision!!
To make along sad story short, Jones became, hopefully, the only skip in Scotties history to be booed by the fans as she walked off the ice after the game.

A disgraceful, classless act, which at best, no fan in Gimli
will ever forget or forgive.

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the incident with the juniors took place in morris, not gimli

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Jennifer and Team

Since then, I have heard of Team Jones curling somewhere in a spiel and winning in just a few ends. The next sheet over where some juniors Jen had been watching. Since they were done early, the whole Jones team went and helped the juniors, with some strategy, sweeping, delivering....I bet those Juniors were thrilled. Kudo' to Team Jones, they could have just as well went home.

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Re: Deliverer

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M.L. While most Manitoba fans might not remember when the Scotties were last played in The Peg, many still remember vividly when 'the great jones', as you call her, was competing as the overwhelming favorite in the Gimli Scottie Provincials.
Playing against a bunch of school kids who were incapable of winning a game, let alone a couple of ends, she accused one of them of burning a rock. When the kid said she had not, Jones refused to accept her word and actually refused to play on - tapping her toe, and when the embarrassed kid still refused to cave in, Jones demanded that the Director make a decision!!
To make along sad story short, Jones became, hopefully, the only skip in Scotties history to be booed by the fans as she walked off the ice after the game.

A disgraceful, classless act, which at best, no fan in Gimli
will ever forget or forgive.



Those "juniors" were skipped by Kerri Flett, now Einarson...

Bob Weeks' take on the story in 2008:
http://bobweeksoncurling.blogspot.c...e-splainin.html

Paul Wiecek wrote about it the follow year as well:
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sp...some_noise.html

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the incident with the juniors took place in morris, not gimli


Where there 2 incidents since the press clippings supplied by gerry said Gimli?

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All true! Although I've never read the Weeks article before. He really takes the strap to Jones - and seems to be unable to stop slapping!

So it was 8 years ago - which makes Flett/Einarson about 22 give or take - certainly not a group of junior hi-skool fawns like some indicate - but a group of hot graduated juniors - out to put Jones scalp on a stick!


Actually, according to the Wiecek article linked to, Kerri was 21 in 2009, making her 20 in 2008
("But it remains to this day a going concern for the 21-year-old Flett, who was a freshly graduated junior playing that night in front of the biggest crowd of her curling career and on home ice in Gimli.")

And if Jones is 42 now, that made her 33 in early 2008.
So, Jones at 33, and well established in the curling world, vs. Flett/Einarson at 20 and playing in front of the largest crowd she's ever played in front of.

I didn't see the event, either, of course... but it certainly seems, based on the various descriptions, as well as the facts (like respective age and experience), it certainly seems that Jones very knowingly and deliberately tried to intimidate both her younger, less experienced opponent, and intimidate the official(s), as well, to her own advantage.
That's not being "hyper-competitive" - it's being selfish, disrespectful, immature, and a poor sport.

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Wasn't it Einarson who benefited from a burned rock at last years Scotties?? I think it was Kerri that used the rules to her advantage in resetting the house, and that played a big part in her winning the game. If it was Kerri, then she learned how to show no mercy when a stone is touched.

(apologies to Kerri if it was someone else - I couldn't find a video to check)

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I'd agree with the seeding for the most part but i think id have birchard, overton clapham and robertson in that order for 4, 5 and 6 seeds.

englot, jones and einarson are the 3 teams we should be looking at to win this. birchard and overton clapham if she gets on a roll are really the only 2 teams i see with any kind of chance of winning this or causing some upsets in the playoffs and making a final appearance.

of the big 3 i'd actually say that einarson is the most likely to miss the playoffs of the 3. she's just so up and down in general. you know whats coming with englot and jones in general but einarson is unpredictable. she could play brilliantly like she has the last 2 events or she could play poorly and struggle to win games.

how the einarson rinks does depends largely on how kerri herself curls.kerri is another one of those skips in the class of epping. they can win matches on their own because they can make every shot and they can make those circus shots look easy. if kerri is off during this week i dont think team einarson makes the playoff.

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Yes, Jones did have an exceptional junior career winning her 1st Manitoba Junior title as a skip in '93 and her second in'94.

I am surprised, however, you failed to note that her current Third, Lawes, had a far superior record. E.G. She won both the Manitoba Provincial AND the Canadian Junior Championship in 2008 and repeated in 2009. Additionally, she won silver and bronze at the Worlds. No comparison really. And jones' junior record does not compare favorably with Homan's either. Check it out. Two Provincials, 1 Canadian Junior Championship, plus 1 Silver at the Worlds.

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Wrong

"Jones remains the only Canadian junior skip ever to be denied a go at worlds."


No. See 1993 Shawn Adams.

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DEAD WRONG, AGAIN.

" Jones remains the only Canadian junior skip ever to be denied a go at worlds"

Every single Canadian junior skip who has competed and who subsequently failed to win has been justly denied a go at the Worlds.

Jones was given not one but two chances to beat Mackenzie. She failed. She lost both games.

Cheated? Please M.L. think before you post.

P.S. It was Mackenzie - not McKenzie.

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Re: Deliverer

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M.L. While most Manitoba fans might not remember when the Scotties were last played in The Peg, many still remember vividly when 'the great jones', as you call her, was competing as the overwhelming favorite in the Gimli Scottie Provincials.
Playing against a bunch of school kids who were incapable of winning a game, let alone a couple of ends, she accused one of them of burning a rock. When the kid said she had not, Jones refused to accept her word and actually refused to play on - tapping her toe, and when the embarrassed kid still refused to cave in, Jones demanded that the Director make a decision!!
To make along sad story short, Jones became, hopefully, the only skip in Scotties history to be booed by the fans as she walked off the ice after the game.

A disgraceful, classless act, which at best, no fan in Gimli
will ever forget or forgive.



Wasn't that young skip - Kerri Flett - now Einarson? That made all of the sports shows btw, I remember watching that on TV.

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Actually, according to the Wiecek article linked to, Kerri was 21 in 2009, making her 20 in 2008
("But it remains to this day a going concern for the 21-year-old Flett, who was a freshly graduated junior playing that night in front of the biggest crowd of her curling career and on home ice in Gimli.")

And if Jones is 42 now, that made her 33 in early 2008.
So, Jones at 33, and well established in the curling world, vs. Flett/Einarson at 20 and playing in front of the largest crowd she's ever played in front of.



That's not being "hyper-competitive" - it's being selfish, disrespectful, immature, and a poor sport.




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M.L. has stated that he put a certain amount of the blame on the 'designated game official'.

Obviously he is not aware that the 'game official' originally made a decision in favour of the Flett team, a decision that absolutely infuriated Jones to such an extent that she doubled down and Demanded that the Director ( a famous Canadian curler) come to the ice and rule on the official's decision!

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quote:
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M.L. has stated that he put a certain amount of the blame on the 'designated game official'.

Obviously he is not aware that the 'game official' originally made a decision in favour of the Flett team, a decision that absolutely infuriated Jones to such an extent that she doubled down and Demanded that the Director ( a famous Canadian curler) come to the ice and rule on the official's decision!




Is anyone really surprised that Jones did this?

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quote:
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M.L. has stated that he put a certain amount of the blame on the 'designated game official'.

Obviously he is not aware that the 'game official' originally made a decision in favour of the Flett team, a decision that absolutely infuriated Jones to such an extent that she doubled down and Demanded that the Director ( a famous Canadian curler) come to the ice and rule on the official's decision!



Too bad that the Director didn't tell her that he/she stood by the official's decision and to play the game!

Still puzzled by the extensive kowtowing to Jones in curling world...does she have dirty photos?

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replacing Cathy

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I wonder what other 'incidents' have occurred to 'KowTow' to Jones, as curlerbroad so eloquently states?

The only one I know for sure is JJ requesting NOT to be placed in same sections or quadrants as Cathy O or any team Cathy O is playing with. Not a bad suggestion - but prolly cuts into crowds looking for Cathy O to avenge matters.

Other than the slam-dunking of a designated game official the only other matter where Jones takes in substantial criticism is where she replaced COC w/ Kaitlyn Lawes.

Jones deserves a certain level of criticism for the Gimli burn incident - but in the case of Lawes replacing O, that was a simple case of Jennifer realizing Cathy could not stand up to the shot-pelting of one Emma Miskew - Rachel Homan's long-term 3rd. One Canadian championship gold, Olympic gold and a couple silver or bronze at STOH I think JJ made the correct decision. Anyone who thinks Cathy O could have stood up to Miskew doesn't understand the game. Heck, Kaitlyn was brought in and even she barely stands up to Emma.

So JJ lost her mind once when someone burned a stone. Deserves criticism to be sure - but are there any other examples - other than seemingly never being satisfied with completed shots by Lawes or herself.




That is not the reason the Jones replaced Cathy O at all. Did you you ever think that Jones took the flack for replacing Cathy, but perhaps Jill and Dawn had a very, very huge roll in that decision, in which Jones has kept quiet about?

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You might be right - its all water over (or under) the bridge at this point. My own belief is that JJ saw the writing on the wall vis a vis Cathy being unable to stand up to the rising threat of Emma Miskew. Perhaps she simply brought in Dawn & Jill to make it seem unanimous - and both front-enders rubber-stamped Jen's pre-made decision!



Nope, maybe the front ender's went to Jennifer??

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Can't believe what I'm reading. j.j. has regularly requested Bonspiel Officials to not place her in the same grouping as xxxxxxx or yyyyyyy? No matter how you slice that, M.L., that's just not right, that's not honest, that's not honourable and it's certainly not ethical. And you say 'not a bad suggestion'? Are you kidding? It's as bad as it can get!

And I would question what kind of an official would entertain her requests. Shame on them; Shame on her.

With respect to the Gimli fiasco, you say Jones 'deserves a certain amount of criticism". Ridiculous. She deserves 100% of the criticism. She had ample chances to diffuse the situation. She didn't take advantage of any of them. Even worse she actually escalated the situation to the nth degree until she got the decision she wanted.

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LET IT GO

Every year skips will mix it up and change players. Martin, Morris a few times, Stoughton, Gushue, KOE, Howard, Howard, Homan, Lawton etc etc. This one just had more exposure due to the team's popularity and success at the time, and the unceremonial "dumping" of COC. Sometimes it hurts but you have to move on.

With the burnt rock incident, agree with above posters she should have accepted the on ice official's ruling. The end. I can't recall ANY OTHER incident where it was not settled on the ice and some grand puba had to come in and impose their own decision. Can anyone else recall any other time this has happened? Bueller?? Bueller?

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Every year skips will mix it up and change players. Martin, Morris a few times, Stoughton, Gushue, KOE, Howard, Howard, Homan, Lawton etc etc. This one just had more exposure due to the team's popularity and success at the time, and the unceremonial "dumping" of COC. Sometimes it hurts but you have to move on.


Indeed, it is not uncommon for players to leave a team - or to be be let go from a team. In most of these cases, we soon see the player in question surface with another top-end team, and, if there was any animosity within the parting, it is usually soon forgotten... And so, it's not a big deal.

What made the Jones - Overton-Clapham situation a big deal was the manner in which it was apparently done. While most of us don't know the intricate particulars of the circumstance, it was widely reported at the time, by several credible sources, that Overton-Clapham was given no advanced notice that she may be cut from the team, that it was done suddenly, and that no reason was given to her, other than that they wanted to shake the team up (I believe I recall hearing Overton-Clapham say that she was given no reason for being let go... and she further said that she didn't see any indication of a problem within the team, and that she considered the other 3 members of the team to be good friends of hers, and so this hurt her a lot).

The fact that the animosity remains between Jones and Overton-Clapham today, several years after the situation occurred, is another indication that something rather radical was said/done when Overton-Clapham was cut from the team. And, given that it was Jones who initiated the situation, and who, as the Skip of the team, was ultimately responsible for Overton-Claphap being 'fired' from the team, the onus for the 'bad blood' between the two certainly seems to be on Jones.

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quote:
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heh - if you get let go or are traded and you arent given notice and you cant "understand" why - it was probably the lobotomy ...

in curling its because you missed key shots
or
arent a team player
or
you drink or do drugs
or
you dont practise, are cheap and dont pay your share of breakfasts,
or
your personality is abrasive,
or
your deodorant breaks down consistently

its never because you are a delight and curl 100% every game and make the rest of the team look bad., or the others players dont like the decor in your Gulfstream.......

its easier to say nothing and do the deed than have the non fitting member selectively spill the beans ....


And yet, Overton-Clapham seems universally liked and respected by other curlers - to the point of her often being asked by numerous teams to spare for missing players. This would suggest that she is not only not "abrasive", but is very capable of blending in with most people.

Jennifer Jones doesn't seem nearly as well liked or respected for her personality as is Overton-Clapham.

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As usual, you failed to grasp the essence of the post, namely:

that 'O is consistently asked to sub for super competitive

world class teams and, that your 'Look At Me Now' heroine

doesn't seem to be nearly as well liked or respected. Period.

Full stop.

Your 'purist' point of view has nothing to do, whatsoever,

with the subject at hand. And if you do not understand this,

it may be worthwhile to read the paragraph above one more

time.

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M: Canadian Mixed Doubles Curling Championship
Fredericton, NB
Teams | Scores | Standings | Playoffs
Draw: 6 -- Mon, Mar 18 -- 7:00pm AT
Gagn/Mori Final
Rees/Ches (EE)
Sand/Crai Final
Gamb/Kalt (8)
Arms/Grif Final
Pete/Gall (7) Watch Live Curling!
Zhen/Piet Final
Gion/Desj (7)
Wasy/Koni Final
Jone/Lain (EE)
Wise/Smit 12  Final
Weag/Eppi (6)
Lott/Lott 12  Final
Bouc/Char (7)
Krev/Math Final
Whit/Whit (6)
M: Aberdeen International Curling Championship
Aberdeen, SCO
Teams | Scores | Standings | Playoffs
Draw: CF -- Sun, Mar 17 -- 2:45pm GMT
Mouat Final
Shuster (7)
D: WCT Slovakia Mixed Doubles Cup II
Bratislava, SVK
Teams | Scores | Standings | Playoffs
Draw: CF -- Sun, Mar 17 -- 12:00pm CET
Han/Zou Final
Paul/Paul (7)
Cihl/Mace Final
Yang/Tian 10  (6)
: NWTCA Mixed
Yellowknife, NT
Teams | Scores | Standings | Playoffs
Draw: 4 -- Sun, Mar 17 -- 10:00am MT
Delorey Final
Koe (5)
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Canadian mixed doubles championship starts in Fredericton on Sunday

Canadian mixed doubles championship starts in Fredericton on Sunday

Marlee Powers and Luke Saunders of Halifax, Nova Scotia won 6-5 over Papley/van Amsterdam in the opening draw streamed on Curling Canada's Plus platform.

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