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12-13-13 09:53AM
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Re: O.c.e.

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Terry Kolesar tweeted that if 3 or more teams are tied, the records between them decide.


Assuming that the laws of curling are being followed at this event (probable, but not guaranteed, I guess) a team can not be eliminated other than by a loss on the ice in a tiebreaker game.

Head to Head and LSD results are used to seed the tiebreaker games only.

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There shouldn't be any problems playing out the tiebreakers. With three teams eliminated, they will need at most 2 tiebreakers, and there are 2 tiebreaker slots on the schedule for tomorrow. (They could theoretically put a third tiebreaker on the empty sheet in the women's last draw, but that would require a 6th team tied for a tiebreak slot. They could have even added another tiebreaker when the Men's 1v2 game is being played.)

So even if there are 5 teams standing, they could seed by H2H and LSD first, then play 4v5 in the first tiebreaker, then 3v(4/5) in the second.

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So I wonder...

Consider the possibility of a 4 way tie for 2nd...

given that there is a significant advantage to the 2nd place seed (2 chances to qualify, rather than 1)...who plays for it?

Is it the best vs worst by H2H/LSD? If so, why should the worst of the 4 teams get a chance to get that valuable golden ticket?

Is it the top 2 play for the #2 slot or elimination, and the other 2 play for the #3 slot or elimination? If so, that seems unfair to the #2 team (but awesome for the #3 team).

This is a little more important than the #2 seed advantage in a Page Playoff...this is walking in Sochi or not...

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Does anyone know if the LSD results are available anywhere? I am not finding them


http://oqe.curlit.com has them next to the line scores.

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So...currently the LSD standings Removing the worst draws (as per rules):

NZL (total 29.2cm)
FRA (48.1)
GER (48.8)
FIN (55.3)
JPN (78.7)
CZE (87.1)
KOR (104.0)
USA (105.5)

The worst the teams can possibly do (since anything worse than their current worst would be thrown out)

NZL (total 52cm)
FIN (108.8)
GER (120.8)
JPN (147.7)
CZE (150.2)
FRA (190.5)
USA (200.0)
KOR (256.2)

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5 way tie for first?

What if the top 4 all lose? That. Would. Be. Awesome. Tiemageddon all over again.

But I'd rather see the US win to finish 5-2 and let the chips fall where they may. Tough to count on 3 upsets. I would expect the Kiwis to bring their "A" game as they must beat CZE to have a shot at a tiebreaker.

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Re: 5 way tie for first?

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[B]What if the top 4 all lose? That. Would. Be. Awesome. Tiemageddon all over again.


9. (FIN, NZL, FRA, JPN) - 5 Way Tie between CZE, GER, KOR, NZL, USA. GER gets the 1 seed by 3-1 H2H, CZE, KOR, USA, and NZL Playoff to get the 2 and 3 seeds

Chaos reigns, 4 teams playing for 2 playoff spots...

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In that scenario, CZE would get the 2 seed due to their 3-0 against USA, KOR, and NZL, right? If so, then USA would be the top seed of the three remaining teams (2-0 vs. KOR and NZL).

So assuming I understand the tiebreak process correctly, you'd have:

1) GER
2) CZE

Tiebreak #1: KOR vs. NZL

Tiebreak #2: USA vs. (KOR/NZL)

That makes sense to me. Both GER and CZE would be 3-1, and since the 1 and 2 seeds are practically identical, that's the best outcome. Since the U.S. has the best H2H record of the remainder, it's reasonable for them to have one less tiebreaker.

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Meanwhile, the women's side has the most irrelevant "marquis" game ever in the final draw. Ten ends for (assumedly) the hammer in the 1v2 game? Might as well just have skip draws. (Mostly kidding.)

Norway is at least in a tiebreaker, and you have to like the chances for both Germany and the Czech Republic to win, causing a three-way tie for 3rd.

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USA vs FIN is on WorldCurlingtTV?

Is that correct? I guess I assumed it wouldn't be since all other games are either China or Japan.

If it's on, I gotta avoid this site and sochi2012.curlingevents.com for the rest of the afternoon so I can watch when I get home (since youtube is blocked where I work

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Sure looks like it's USA-FIN. I can verify once the game starts, but that's the way it's labeled on YouTube.

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Yup. USA-FIN it is.

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i'm not seeing the draw LSD for any of the matches. (using chrome). did anyone see the LSD for this one and/or for KOR?

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Looks to me like in the Womens event: China and Japan have qualified for the Olympics, even though the Fussen round robin is not over. They are both at five and oh (5 wins no losses). and the next in rank has three losses.. so bye bye Andrea. However, I predict a short game between China and Japan in the last game of the RR. Japan does not seem strong to me... from what I've watched.

EDIT: I made a mistake here: There a playoffs to come. duh. myBad. So last round of the RR will tell us if there is a sole team in 3rd of the PAGE or if there'll be a tiebreaker. But, Jpn Chn finish 1-2.

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On the men's side it is Au Revoir M. Dufour...and a 4 way fight for first place along with second. NZ better start winning or they will be on the outside looking in.

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Neither China nor Japan played rock solid so far. The two upcoming matches between them could easily be coin-flips. Japan is technically stronger, China a bit more experienced.

And, in fact, despite the rankings, neither China nor Japan were head-and-shoulders ahead of the rest of the field. Both Japan and China were extremely lucky in several of their matches. I think Germany would be a really tough opponent against China, and both Norway3 and Czech could take advantage of Japan's overly aggressive game style.

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Kinda sad to witness the demise of a once great curler in Andrea Schopp. Too bad German curling can't develop a top flight skipp although Imgogene Coca or Stella Hess might be their future. Saw a few ends of Andrea and she reminded me of the latter days of Connie Laliberte where the form was still there, the intensity was there but the results paltry.




As a transition and in order to save the little that's left for the German Women Curling as obviously Andrea does not want to leave gracefully I would suggest to give a call to Melanie Robillard... she is still eligible to play for Germany even while living in Spain.They did very good on short noticed in the 2012 Worlds. Just an idea;-)

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Looks to me like in the Womens event: China and Japan have qualified for the Olympics, even though the Fussen round robin is not over. They are both at five and oh (5 wins no losses). and the next in rank has three losses.. so bye bye Andrea. However, I predict a short game between China and Japan in the last game of the RR. Japan does not seem strong to me... from what I've watched.


Oops. Didn't do my research. I guess Japan / Korea have qualified for the playoffs - hope they win!! But maybe Andrea is NOT OUT yet. We'll see. More to come. LOL.

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USA wins, but so do the other 4-2 teams, so it's a 4 way tie.

US ends up the #3 seed, so having to play Korea in a PLayoff Tiebreaker to get to the L1/2 v 3 game.

Germany v Czech in the 1v2 game.

That loss against Germany really, really hurts now.

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That draw Germany made to beat Japan in the extra end was probably the most important shot of the tournament. Had they slid 2 inches further they would have been out. now they qualify top.

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With The US getting the #3 seeding, do they begin with the hammer in the first end against Korea,,,,,,,,or will they still draw before the match begins to decide who starts with the hammer??

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again 7th hitting when korea shud be tapping


Shooting percentages pretty close but US winning tactical game.

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Now it is official - bye bye andrea.

I think Norway can beat Japan in the 2-3 game. I bet China will beat Japan in the 1-2 game.

Sending Norway and China to the Oly's. We'll soon see.

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Now it is official - bye bye andrea.

I think Norway can beat Japan in the 2-3 game. I bet China will beat Japan in the 1-2 game.

Sending Norway and China to the Oly's. We'll soon see.



Norway's probably not winning. Japan has a good chance to beat China.

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Now it is official - bye bye andrea.

I think Norway can beat Japan in the 2-3 game. I bet China will beat Japan in the 1-2 game.

Sending Norway and China to the Oly's. We'll soon see.



Now Andrea should hang her broom once and for all and let the young generation otherwise it will be the dark ages of curling in Germany for the women.

That's what happens when you don't know when to retired:-)

Hope the young girls will reorganized as soon as possible and that Andrea will take full responsibility for this demise!

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