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No Ethan it is YOUR TEAMS world championship. The FOUR of you earned the right to wear USA on your back. Win or lose the FOUR of you hold your heads high and play your hearts out.
I am sure the HPP directors are using scare tactics like unless you listen to our intructions you will not have the opportunity to participate in the HPP program in the future.
This part is BS.
I don't care how good Kory Dropkin is. He didn't earn the right, you did, along with your FOUR guys. They are feeding you the juice and I am sure someone will come home and quit curling cause they were not treated fairly. The HPP doesn't care about fair. Fair doesn't matter. This is your life.

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http://www.cbc.ca/sports/curling/sc...-suit-1.1062928

This is for you Derek and HPP........

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http://www.cbc.ca/sports/curling/sc...-suit-1.1062928

This is for you Derek and HPP........

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Agree that Ethan and his team earned the right for all four of them to play at Worlds but I'm sure no one here knows all the details regarding the line up changes. From Ethan's post I think his attitude is great. Give him some credit and don't just assume he and the rest of the team are being railroaded by the HP staff.

I can't imagine being in their spot but if the team is on board and they agreed with the changes then more power to them for having the maturity to handle it.

This makes me wonder even more why Korey wasn't with the Meyers team in Kalamazoo. A week of all 5 of these guys together could have helped a lot. And isn't that why the HP decided to force the Jr. National Champs to play in Men's/Women's??? Too many decisions of the HP program just don't make sense.

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> don't just assume he and the rest of the team are being
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> Too many decisions of the HP program just don't make sense.

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Anyone know why the women's not even finalists, but semi finalists are going to the worlds, when Erika Brown won?

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ETHAN AND KOREY,

1. Some support the HPP and the coaches, many do not support them. Rest assured that all who know you two guys support you fully. You have talent. More importantly, you have character. Good luck

2. Please stay out of curlingzone until after Worlds. I don't care how bored you get between draws. One game a day for some days would get boring, but visit a museum or catch up on classwork. A competitor surfing here is like Payton Manning listening to sports radio call-in shows. Many of us (myself included) are working with partial knowledge at best and only offering opinions. Exercise your free speech feed your curiosity after Worlds.

3. Best of luck to you. Represent us well. I'm sure you will.

I, too, have my opinions for what they are worth. I'll wait for after Worlds to share them if anyone cares to read them. For now, I'll support the team.

Ben Tucker

PS Stoner, we're in our second year of a World Qualifying system. Aileen was the top WCT points team AND finished in the top 3...so she will be representing the USA. Nina got the gold last year, but Allison went to Worlds after getting the silver. These threads have been through this repeatedly.

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ETHAN AND KOREY,

1. Some support the HPP and the coaches, many do not support them. Rest assured that all who know you two guys support you fully. You have talent. More importantly, you have character. Good luck

2. Please stay out of curlingzone until after Worlds. I don't care how bored you get between draws. One game a day for some days would get boring, but visit a museum or catch up on classwork. A competitor surfing here is like Payton Manning listening to sports radio call-in shows. Many of us (myself included) are working with partial knowledge at best and only offering opinions. Exercise your free speech feed your curiosity after Worlds.

3. Best of luck to you. Represent us well. I'm sure you will.

I, too, have my opinions for what they are worth. I'll wait for after Worlds to share them if anyone cares to read them. For now, I'll support the team.

Ben Tucker

PS Stoner, we're in our second year of a World Qualifying system. Aileen was the top WCT points team AND finished in the top 3...so she will be representing the USA. Nina got the gold last year, but Allison went to Worlds after getting the silver. These threads have been through this repeatedly.

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Phil: Ned Ryerson?
Ned: BING!

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This makes me wonder even more why Korey wasn't with the Meyers team in Kalamazoo. A week of all 5 of these guys together could have helped a lot. And isn't that why the HP decided to force the Jr. National Champs to play in Men's/Women's??? Too many decisions of the HP program just don't make sense.

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i notice that korey coming on to the team really hasnt helped the meyers rink at all. at what point does ethan get his regular line up back?

look, i like korey but he's been to the world juniors twice before and done nothing so maybe he's not the wonder kid the USCA thinks he is

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After 6 games, at 2-4 things look...well...actually not as bleak as they could look for the Young Men...

Their remaining games are against Italy (1-5), Estonia (1-5), and Russia (3-3). Very winnable in all three cases. Win all of those games and they sit at 5-4.

As the standings sit right now, 5-4 gets at least a tie for 5th place wtih Russia, and Sweden has a very real chance of going 1-2 in their remaining games (Scotland and Canada are very possible losses), which would put the US in a tie for 4th.

I'm not cognizant of tiebreaker standings for this championship, as CZ doesn't appear to have them posted...so it's possible the US loses out in a 3 way tie for 4th place since WCF appears to only do one round of tiebreakers, so the worst LSD score is out...but...at least there is a chance.

At 2-3 after 5 games, the Young Women's team is also not out of the mix either. Their remaining games are against Estonia, England, Sweden and Switzerland...5-4 is very likely, 6-3 not impossible...and either of those scenarios should put them in the potential for tiebreakers for the Page. 6-3 might even get them there without tiebreaker is other games fall right.

Our *curlers* are doing great. It's our *Management of our curlers* which is failing the nation. For the remainder of this week, I'm pro CURLER. I promise to save the bile towards the USCA for next week.

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After 6 games, at 2-4 things look...well...actually not as bleak as they could look for the Young Men...

Their remaining games are against Italy (1-5), Estonia (1-5), and Russia (3-3). Very winnable in all three cases. Win all of those games and they sit at 5-4.

As the standings sit right now, 5-4 gets at least a tie for 5th place wtih Russia, and Sweden has a very real chance of going 1-2 in their remaining games (Scotland and Canada are very possible losses), which would put the US in a tie for 4th.

I'm not cognizant of tiebreaker standings for this championship, as CZ doesn't appear to have them posted...so it's possible the US loses out in a 3 way tie for 4th place since WCF appears to only do one round of tiebreakers, so the worst LSD score is out...but...at least there is a chance.

At 2-3 after 5 games, the Young Women's team is also not out of the mix either. Their remaining games are against Estonia, England, Sweden and Switzerland...5-4 is very likely, 6-3 not impossible...and either of those scenarios should put them in the potential for tiebreakers for the Page. 6-3 might even get them there without tiebreaker is other games fall right.

Our *curlers* are doing great. It's our *Management of our curlers* which is failing the nation. For the remainder of this week, I'm pro CURLER. I promise to save the bile towards the USCA for next week.

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wow. so italy just pasted the US men 10-1.

so now that the US mens playoff chances are officially done now does korey get sent back to the bench?

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I see that Steven SZEMPLE got to play his 2nd game out of 7. This reeks of poor coaching and leadership. I sure hope they enjoy themselves off the ice.

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In positive news....the US Junior Women's team just obliterated England 14-3 to move into 5th at 4-3. They are very much alive as their last two games approach.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by tuck
[B]ETHAN AND KOREY,

1. Some support the HPP and the coaches, many do not support them. Rest assured that all who know you two guys support you fully. You have talent. More importantly, you have character. Good luck

2. Please stay out of curlingzone until after Worlds.


Tuck, wiser words have rarely been spoken!

Similar advise might also apply to player parents and other loved ones who are tempted to read who is saying what thoughtlessly about whom!

Our athletes give all they have to give. (Coaches do as well.) Sometimes the results are not as desired and/or not within their control. Regardless, let's applaud their commitment and effort.

And please think about one more thing. Freedom of speech is a two-way responsibility. We each have the right to express our thoughts in a public forum. But we also have the responsibility to do so in a manner that is not at other's expense. And if we choose to violate that trust, we should at least identify ourselves clearly so that those impacted know who to hold accountable!


Keith Dropkin,
Proud Parent, Devoted Coach, Committed Supporter of the Spirit of Curling

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It's probably a safe bet that Szemple is not cool with being benched after helping his team get to Worlds.

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so i spoke to soon. There is a scenario where 5 losses gets you something..

sweden has to lose their last 2. russia has to lose their last 2 and korea has to lose one more

all very possible

switzerland, canada and scotland are in. this much we know'

as of now everyone but estonia is still alive

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okay now US men are eliminated. if norway wins their final game and they lose to russia then does that mean they get relegated next year? i thought it wasnt a concern but with norway lighting up now it might be

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Teams that finish 7 - 10 are relegated to the B pool. Next year's junior worlds will include this year's top 6, plus the host country, plus 3 qualifiers out of a B pool qualifier to be held in early January 2016. I believe both of our junior teams are in need of a win in their last game to avoid relegation.

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It's a bad day today.

My beloved Junior Girls take a loss to the Swedes. My thinking about keeping the negativity to the HPP thread has failed and criticism (most justified but some not, in my opinion) is seeping into every thread. This thread meant for excitement and cheerleading feels less and less supportive with each passing page. Now VAcurler is taking cheap shots at me in another thread.

It's a bad day.

Dropkin The Ancient, make sure you tell Dropkin The Younger that I called his Mixed Doubles team "cute as kittens". He'll get a laugh out of that.

Ben Tucker

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So yes, a loss would likely relegate the US on the Girl's side.

However...let's look positively...

A win would put them at 5-4, and if any one of Korea,Scotland, or Sweden lose their game (and one of them is playing the undefeated Canada...so...I'm just sayin...it's possible...), then it's tiebreakers for the Page.

So yes, they are dancing on the razor's edge...but...as they say, the Gypsy word for Danger is the same as the word for Opportunity.

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Tuck - apologies if you thought that was a cheap shot. I was actually giving Melvin a hard time since his idea would benefit the coasts and not the states in power.

Go USA
Jason

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The decision to make changes with the Men's team is not an easy one. It would have been easy to leave them be, and with the expected struggles to come, watch them lose to a point where they can't get out of relegation. As a staff the HPP group could point to them being the wrong team and have more ammunition for changing the system.

Instead the staff took a team who did struggle at Nationals and if you understand the Junior field, would know this team was not strong enough to compete as is. I personally feel the same way. The HPP staff made tough decisions that they knew would be unpopular at home for the best of the program.

On top of the kids, a situation like this will not ruin anyone that needs to be part of the program. Or playing sports for that matter. Sports are littered with stories of players benched, cut, etc who rose up to see it as a challenge to get better. If being benched in a situation like this is what it takes to give it all up, I'm not sure that's the mental fortitude of a player you want in the lineup anyways, as this kind of "give-up-ness" doesn't bode well for bouncing back after a couple of missed shots.

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