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Skid
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Unfair TSN Brier Broadcast schedule

I was looking forward to watching some other team beside NL on TSN.

NL 5 televised games
MB 5 televised games
CA 4 televised games
NO 4 televised games
QC 4 televised games
SK 3 televised games
BC 2 televised games
ON 2 televised games
NS 2 televised games
AB 1 televised games
NT 1 televised games
NB 1 televised games

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sorry, bud - dont recall a pick that i disagreed with

totally happy with all. games

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Stumpy
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Re: Unfair TSN Brier Broadcast schedule

quote:
Originally posted by Skid
I was looking forward to watching some other team beside NL on TSN.

NL 5 televised games
MB 5 televised games
CA 4 televised games
NO 4 televised games
QC 4 televised games
SK 3 televised games
BC 2 televised games
ON 2 televised games
NS 2 televised games
AB 1 televised games
NT 1 televised games
NB 1 televised games



They are looking for viewership. This means showing meaningful games between well known teams. The top 5 teams in televised are the top 5 in the standings. How can you possibly be shocked? People want to see the top teams. Did you really want to see more of NT and NB play meaningless games?

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Registered: Feb 2013
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Re: Unfair TSN Brier Broadcast schedule

quote:
Originally posted by Skid
I was looking forward to watching some other team beside NL on TSN.

NL 5 televised games
MB 5 televised games
CA 4 televised games
NO 4 televised games
QC 4 televised games
SK 3 televised games
BC 2 televised games
ON 2 televised games
NS 2 televised games
AB 1 televised games
NT 1 televised games
NB 1 televised games



I have no problem with watching the contenders playing in a meaningful game whoever it is as opposed to two also rans playing for drinks in the patch. Just wish they would update all the games every end consistently.

Two things can happen......One is bad

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Television is in business to make a profit.

They do that by selling ads.

Advertisers pay for ads on the assumption that the TV network will schedule to have as many eyeballs on the screen as possible.

Some provinces have teams that are really, really good and play interesting games and have interesting personalities and a nationwide following.

Some provinces have 5 guys who won a tournament, are having a great time, but aren't in the mix for the championship, and their games are at risk of being ugly to watch.

Ugly games lose viewers.

As such, broadcasters are going to focus their attention on the games involving that first group over that second group.

Every team got their moment on the screen. Even that isn't guaranteed.

I see no problem.

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Could they go back to covering multiple games. TSN1 cover the "bigger" teams game and TSN3 show the "lesser" teams game. Did they try this already last year or couple seasons ago? I remember they jumped from game to game and that was a horrid idea but not sure if they showed separate games on separate channels.

I too would rather watch some new teams play instead of Gushue VS Jacobs and McEwen VS Koe for the 73rd time this season.

There would probably be an additional cost for TSN to have more people working a second game so that could be a reason why they wont do it.

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Could they go back to covering multiple games. TSN1 cover the "bigger" teams game and TSN3 show the "lesser" teams game. Did they try this already last year or couple seasons ago? I remember they jumped from game to game and that was a horrid idea but not sure if they showed separate games on separate channels.

I too would rather watch some new teams play instead of Gushue VS Jacobs and McEwen VS Koe for the 73rd time this season.

There would probably be an additional cost for TSN to have more people working a second game so that could be a reason why they wont do it.



TV stations are in the business of making money. If showing multiple games, or different teams was a better financial decision, then that's what they would be doing. Since they are not, you can guess that the extra cost versus the extra revenue tells them that 1 game is the way to go this year.

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Be happy with what you get, it is better than yeas ago, that being nothing.

I personally want to see the best game on each draw, if that means getting one team 11 so be it.

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quote:
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TV stations are in the business of making money. If showing multiple games, or different teams was a better financial decision, then that's what they would be doing. Since they are not, you can guess that the extra cost versus the extra revenue tells them that 1 game is the way to go this year.



exactly!

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Trying to sell ad time for a lesser game: "The only thing I know for sure is that it won't be a meaningful game in determining the champion. No, I can't guarantee you that it will have a team from one of the more populated provinces."

It's impossible to sell ad time for that type of lesser game, as ad booking has to be done well in advance. Advertisers rely on knowing at least roughly the anticipated audience. And networks base their ad buy cost on expected viewership. An unimportant game with unknown teams...it just doesn't work in terms of selling advertising or attracting advertisers, And wthout advertising, there is no broadcast.

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There would probably be an additional cost for TSN to have more people working a second game so that could be a reason why they wont do it.



You think so? Of course there would be an extra cost. Are you willing to pay more for that privilege or do you expect the advertisers to jump at the idea of telecasting 2 bottom feeders?

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It is my understanding that TSN is not paying for this anyway, it is being paid for by the Curling Canada.

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By the understanding of some of you Brendan Botcher who has been in the a few slams and been to a few international competitions. Is less worthy of watching than team Saskatchewan who there now skip never heard of his team mates and had to google them. Or Quebec that puts the team together once year for the provincial play downs and wins is better to watch than Team Cotter that also play in the slams.

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quote:
Originally posted by Skid
By the understanding of some of you Brendan Botcher who has been in the a few slams and been to a few international competitions. Is less worthy of watching than team Saskatchewan who there now skip never heard of his team mates and had to google them. Or Quebec that puts the team together once year for the provincial play downs and wins is better to watch than Team Cotter that also play in the slams.


Based on the final standings, the answer to your somewhat rhetorical question is, "Yes." QC and BC ended up with the same record in the end, but QC was still playing for a possible playoff spot as recently as this morning's draw and did not fall back into a tie with BC until they lost to MB this morning.

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quote:
Originally posted by Skid
By the understanding of some of you Brendan Botcher who has been in the a few slams and been to a few international competitions. Is less worthy of watching than team Saskatchewan who there now skip never heard of his team mates and had to google them. Or Quebec that puts the team together once year for the provincial play downs and wins is better to watch than Team Cotter that also play in the slams.


If Bottcher was 0-3 at a Slam, they wouldn't show his game on TV. It's the same thing at the Brier. Bottcher was pretty much that way at the Brier nowhere near the top. Bottcher was eliminated Tuesday afternoon from playoff contention while Casey was only eliminated Wednesday morning (I know Vic said that they weren't until the afternoon, but they were eliminated after their loss on Wednesday morning because Canada and Newfoundland were facing each other later that sam enight with one guaranteed to get a seventh win.)

Also you're using things like slams. If at the Players' Championship this year Homan faces Englot in round robin and both teams are 0-4, the game won't be shown on TV, because there is a better game on the ice with playoff implications. Even though on paper, it's a compelling match with the trilogy they had at the Scotties. But if they are 0-4, the match is between two teams that won't make the playoffs. There is probably a better match somewhere where two teams are trying to make the playoffs.
It's the same thing at the Brier. They don't care or should they care on how much you saw Bottcher and Morris at Slams this year and how you never saw Casey and Ménard at Slams. Because they only care about results and games that are important for playoff implications. If Bottcher was in the running, we probably see him more than once on TV, but he didn't deliver in the win column this week so he wasn't shown.

I do agree that BC was unlucky because 2 of the 3 games against the top 4 were at the same time as clashes between teams in the top 4 and the other one was at the same time as the opening match and it would have been hard to not start with Newfoundland for your first match.But then again, they look at records and BC had a worse record than the other two teams clashing.

If Jacobs, Gushue, Kevin Koe or McEwen went 3-8 at a Brier, how many games of these teams do you think they would show? 1, maybe 2 if they get lucky, nothing more.

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TSN decided on which team they will be showing way before the Brier started. There broadcast schedule for which teams are they are showing for the brier was decided Feb 24.

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quote:
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TSN decided on which team they will be showing way before the Brier started. There broadcast schedule for which teams are they are showing for the brier was decided Feb 24.


You're an example of people that won't be happy no matter what. You don't have a single person agreeing with you in your thread and your point above is just plain wrong.

If your true complaint is really that you want to watch other teams, such as a curling game of the same quality as NT or NB, go down to your local club. My club easily has 3 to 4 teams that would beat them 8-9 times out of 10.

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Google 2017 brier broadcast schedule and check the date.
FEB 24

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It is my understanding that TSN is not paying for this anyway, it is being paid for by the Curling Canada.


If that is the case, then this is not a great thing for the state of curling in Canada. In the US, ESPN is buying the rights to things like drone racing to fill their airwaves (because drone racing carries such a low rights fee not a lot of income from ads is necessary to offset the cost), so I would hope that curling draws enough in Canada that Curling Canada at least gives it away for free, and does nto have to pay someone to broadcast it.

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quote:
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TSN decided on which team they will be showing way before the Brier started. There broadcast schedule for which teams are they are showing for the brier was decided Feb 24.


They only decided for the first two days. After that they look at who is doing good and bad and pick the matches that look as the most interesting. Menard was in it until the last draw, so he got a lot of TV time that he wouldn't have gotten if he had a bad week. Bottcher would have been a lot more on TV had he won more games. It is what it is. They probably have a good idea in which matches they're going to show, because they know who are the playoff bound teams and who aren't. Because I couldn't find out until 2 draws before who was playing who on TSN's website. I'm sure that if it was the case, that they wanted to show on Thursday morning the match between Alberta and BC and not Saskatchewan vs Northern Ontario, but Alberta was out of the mix, Saskatchewan wasn't so they showed the Saskatchewan vs Northern Ontario match instead.

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For anyone that's been to a CCA televised event, you'll know that the rigging and cameras are there to televise all 4 games at once. Fancy that.

Other than the side camera men/women for the main game, you can at least give the overhead shots and rocks coming down on the non-featured games. That way you can at least see the rocks running down (with or without commentary).

And TSN has 4 channels. Wow that makes sense doesn't it?

And even if they don't want to broadcast all games across all channels, they could always offer that stream on TSN Go or Rogers/Bell online.

But that's just too good of an idea to make sense to TSN.

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quote:
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Google 2017 brier broadcast schedule and check the date.
FEB 24



I know computers are hard to understand and the ability to edit an article seems nearly impossible, so I'll break it down for you.

The article was created on Feb 24th with the matchup column blank. Immediately before the tournament, they listed the matchups for the first two draws, the only draws on day one. Each day, they updated games as they became known as to what would be on television. Until that time, the matchup column was blank for future days. I can 100% confirm this because I used this link to follow what upcoming games would be shown.

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Google 2017 brier broadcast schedule and check the date.
FEB 24



To summarize one final time, that should explain everything and leave no debate, see below. Listed in order of number of televised games.

Team - Televised Games - Final Placing
MB - 5 - 1st
NL - 5 - 2nd
CA - 4 - 3rd
NO - 4 - 4th
QC - 4 - 5th
SK - 3 - 7th
BC - 2 - 6th
NS - 2 - 8th
ON - 2 - 9th
AB - 1 - 10th
NB - 1 - 11th
NT - 1 - 12th

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Instead of showing Canada and Quebec in draw #2, why not show NB and NT battle it out? They combined for two wins, with one of those coming in that game. That's kind of a big game, isn't it?

In draw three they mistakenly showed NL and MB. We watched them then, and now we have to watch them again in the Page 1/2 game. We might have to watch them a 3rd time in the final. Boooooorrring. They had a chance to show SK and AB, both going for their first win. The loser would be out of the Brier by Vic's comments. That is the game that keeps me on the edge of my seat.

McEwen received way too much airtime throughout the week. In draw 17 they showed him again against Quebec. We're going to be able to watch MB on the weekend, so why show him here? Yes, if Quebec won that game there would have been four teams tied at 8-3 for 2nd through 5th place, but who wants to watch that drama?

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Instead of showing Canada and Quebec in draw #2, why not show NB and NT battle it out? They combined for two wins, with one of those coming in that game. That's kind of a big game, isn't it?

In draw three they mistakenly showed NL and MB. We watched them then, and now we have to watch them again in the Page 1/2 game. We might have to watch them a 3rd time in the final. Boooooorrring. They had a chance to show SK and AB, both going for their first win. The loser would be out of the Brier by Vic's comments. That is the game that keeps me on the edge of my seat.

McEwen received way too much airtime throughout the week. In draw 17 they showed him again against Quebec. We're going to be able to watch MB on the weekend, so why show him here? Yes, if Quebec won that game there would have been four teams tied at 8-3 for 2nd through 5th place, but who wants to watch that drama?



It's not about fairness, but about ratings. TSN is in the business of ratings and they're going to show games that will draw bigger audiences.

The Gushue story and the crowds is an easy sell and great to watch. Seeing McEwen and their drive towards 1st place overall is also going to draw viewers.

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