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09-11-16 09:07AM |
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tapfreeze
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quote: Originally posted by jamcan
Because, after all, there's no sense having one set of rules for everyone when two will do
The WCF doesn't have any jurisdiction over league play or events outside of its own. It's irrational to think they could rule on every level.
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09-11-16 12:00PM |
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Gerry
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quote: Originally posted by jamcan
As expected the WCF has gone with the wonder fabric and now we await rubber stamping by the CCA.
http://www.worldcurling.org/aga-2016
Ladies and gentlemen, start your snowplows. Lol.
Oh, one final thing to all you club and recreational curlers: No getting pissy when you're playing league games or Bonspiel event finals and you run up against guys with Blackheads chewing up your pebble and making their stones do barrel rolls just to win a toaster and take the fun out of the game.
Because, after all, there's no sense having one set of rules for everyone when two will do
Snowplough all you want, you're just wasting your energy.
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09-11-16 12:36PM |
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Itsjustagame
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quote: Originally posted by Gerry
Snowplough all you want, you're just wasting your energy.
Snowplowing is a waste of energy but sweeping is an efficient use of it? How is that so?
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09-11-16 03:11PM |
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jamcan
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quote: Originally posted by Gerry
Snowplough all you want, you're just wasting your energy.
Oh puhleaze Gerry. I was being funny.
Btw if you have read the summary of the new rules-as I'm sure you have-then you know that the sweeping motion can now be made in any direction with new wonder fabric brooms and it clearly states that the motion does not have to be across the entire running surface of the stone.
Maybe I'm just, as my skip lovingly pointed out, a lazy old fuddy-duddy, but that rings pretty clear as a rule which completely allows plowing.
And btw, just for everyone, I will totally be prepared to enjoy a slice of humble pie next season if this new setup closes the file on directional sweeping. Until then, I'm very content to adopt the same techniques and watch the show at both the competitive and recreational levels of the game.
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09-11-16 03:15PM |
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jamcan
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quote: Originally posted by tapfreeze
The WCF doesn't have any jurisdiction over league play or events outside of its own. It's irrational to think they could rule on every level.
Fair enough tapfreeze. I guess it depends upon what you consider as leadership. IMO the WCF is the mothership and should be calling on a worldwide acceptance of wonderfabric at all levels of play.
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09-11-16 05:29PM |
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dugless_zone 13
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It will be interesting to see how it is enforced by the WCF since the rules state it cant deposit debris and now the new definition of debris includes frost, ice, snow etc.
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09-11-16 06:27PM |
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Alice
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Last year, the elite players and WCF said it was just too darn tough to police sweeping angle and corner sweeping so snowplowing and directional sweeping was dandy. Now, the elites with Wonder Fabric can be trusted to self-police their debris clearing "final" strokes which will leave random debris piles all over the sheets.
I wonder how soon it will take WCF to stop the skips' snowplow (cleaning) sweeping before they shoot. I don't, offhand, recall them regularly doing a "final" debris clearing stroke.
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09-11-16 07:18PM |
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lolar3288
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Well first how WCF became big brother I will never know as there are more Clubs/teams in Ontario than the WCF represents around the world (does this mean all the Europe and Asian teams will leave Canada,Oh Please!) CCA should be speaking up, but I guess that doesn't do anything to increase their grant money and wages, but I digress!
Maybe CCA could have said what Canada is using for sweeping rules and let the world do what they please, which, by the way, would be to fall in line. After all, where is all the curling equipment made?
The big issue is what the clubs now have to do for all their leagues as using OCA rules will clearly cause a riot! This will iron itself out in time but not the short term.
All you club curlers, burn your hair brooms and illegal pads!!!
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09-11-16 07:37PM |
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jamcan
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quote: Originally posted by lolar3288
Well first how WCF became big brother I will never know as there are more Clubs/teams in Ontario than the WCF represents around the world (does this mean all the Europe and Asian teams will leave Canada,Oh Please!) CCA should be speaking up, but I guess that doesn't do anything to increase their grant money and wages, but I digress!
Maybe CCA could have said what Canada is using for sweeping rules and let the world do what they please, which, by the way, would be to fall in line. After all, where is all the curling equipment made?
Unfortunately the WCF is pretty much organized along the one country, one vote democratic model. It can be argued (thanks a bunch FIFA) that this is susceptible to corruption, but if we were to have a representation-by-partipation system is it any better that Canada calls all the shots for the rest of the world? Because I'm not convinced we would do any better as dictators based solely on numbers.
Regardless of my disagreement with the decision, the WCF has made their choice and done so democratically. The rules, at least, are fairly well defined and written so we'll just have to see how this now plays out. While my own opinion isn't positive, I will, as mentioned, gladly feast on crow if proven otherwise.
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09-11-16 10:41PM |
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tapfreeze
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From Curling Canada's website (see link):
Sweeping Moratorium on Brush Head Technology
This goes into effect tomorrow (September 12th). I noticed it covers ALL CTRS events and mentions using only WCF approved brush heads. Does anyone know where the new up to date list is posted? I couldn't find anything on the WCF site, so how does one really know?
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09-12-16 01:29AM |
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JustAnotherHack
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I've seen the Hardline ones, as well as the Balance Plus (for both the LiteSpeed and normal broom heads) out in a few curling shops. I know Goldline has one out there (Oval Pro), and I'm sure a few others will be on the way. Hopefully there will be enough out there in time for some of the lesser spiels... and I hope there will be a contingency plan in place in case there are not.
It's easy enough to tell what are the approved ones... they're all a nice ugly yellow (the Hardline ones are only yellow on the portion that contacts the ice).
Tried out one on a LiteSpeed broom... I think it'll actually hold up for a few games, if you rotate and clean them properly. I'll hold my judgement for now though until I can get a team (or myself) use them over a weekend or two and then see.
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09-12-16 03:15PM |
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dugless_zone 13
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My question(s) to Gerry, because he may have easier access to the information than others on this forum is; What company or companies are supplying the new legal material for head covers and does the WCF or any executive of the WCF or CCA have a stake in that company?
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09-12-16 03:47PM |
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jamcan
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Just so no one is confused by the statement posted on the CCA website, they have made a typo. The new rules are in full effect right now and not, as written, for the 2017-18 season.
If you need further clarification on any questions surrounding the new rules, contact Danny Lamoreaux at the CCA.
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09-12-16 04:12PM |
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Gerry
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quote: Originally posted by dugless_zone 13
My question(s) to Gerry, because he may have easier access to the information than others on this forum is; What company or companies are supplying the new legal material for head covers and does the WCF or any executive of the WCF or CCA have a stake in that company?
Not that I know of. I don't believe the fabric is specific to a company but a specific name which describes what the weave/pattern is. I would have to check to be sure though.
What I heard was the original fabric they tested came from Performance and was sitting in their shop for years as it ended up not being something they wanted to make heads from because it didn't perform very well. It's not their fabric but something they sourced from another company, just to make that clear.
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09-12-16 05:11PM |
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jamcan
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quote: Originally posted by dugless_zone 13
My question(s) to Gerry, because he may have easier access to the information than others on this forum is; What company or companies are supplying the new legal material for head covers and does the WCF or any executive of the WCF or CCA have a stake in that company?
According to the WCF website the product is called Nylon Oxford 420D.
The only source information I could find was a Chinese textile manufacturer.
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09-12-16 05:14PM |
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hogginsheets
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The only approved fabric heads I can track down so far available in the lower mainland is Hardline, and Goldline you can't even order on their website.
So until the equipment is widely available there will obviously need to be some time allowance, otherwise everyone has to buy all new brooms for the season.......notta.
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09-12-16 05:17PM |
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dugless_zone 13
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I think you should all buy Hardline brooms, then see what excuse the governing bodies come up with this time to ban them.
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09-12-16 07:50PM |
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Alice
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Don't the new broom rules say whatever WCF requires must be widely available for sale to be enforceable?
Is corn still allowed? Those at least are widely available being in every hardware store.
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09-12-16 11:36PM |
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jamcan
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quote: Originally posted by dugless_zone 13
I think you should all buy Hardline brooms, then see what excuse the governing bodies come up with this time to ban them.
I just did today.
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09-12-16 11:39PM |
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jamcan
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quote: Originally posted by hogginsheets
The only approved fabric heads I can track down so far available in the lower mainland is Hardline, and Goldline you can't even order on their website.
So until the equipment is widely available there will obviously need to be some time allowance, otherwise everyone has to buy all new brooms for the season.......notta.
LOL. How's that crow tastin' skipper?
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09-13-16 11:39AM |
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Itsjustagame
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quote: Originally posted by dugless_zone 13
I think you should all buy Hardline brooms, then see what excuse the governing bodies come up with this time to ban them.
Dugless: I just LOVE your comment.
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09-13-16 12:56PM |
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Bugman
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Alice asked an interesting question ...
ARE corn brooms still allowed for use in WCF-sanctioned competitions?
In 2016, I sincerely doubt that any team would consider corn to be a viable competitive option. That said, is there a prohibition against four brawny folks going out and pounding corn into the ice?
Jim Corrigan
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09-13-16 01:55PM |
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dixarone
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No corn
Part One, section 3:
"Hair brooms and corn brooms are banned for use as sweeping devices".
Other interesting bit, I thought, was that if a player is injured or has to leave, and another player takes that person's place, the incoming player has to use the outgoing player's broom. (i.e. 4 "declared" sweeping devices are allowed per game, period, notwithstanding extraordinary circumstances like breakage for example).
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09-13-16 02:23PM |
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JustAnotherHack
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quote: Originally posted by hogginsheets
The only approved fabric heads I can track down so far available in the lower mainland is Hardline, and Goldline you can't even order on their website.
So until the equipment is widely available there will obviously need to be some time allowance, otherwise everyone has to buy all new brooms for the season.......notta.
I've been told that Richmond CC (in BC, not the Richmond CC in the OVCA) had the approved broom heads from Balance Plus (for both the regular oval pads and for the LiteSpeed pads). Plus the Hardline ones.
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09-13-16 04:02PM |
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MB Tucker
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quote: Originally posted by hogginsheets
The only approved fabric heads I can track down so far available in the lower mainland is Hardline, and Goldline you can't even order on their website.
So until the equipment is widely available there will obviously need to be some time allowance, otherwise everyone has to buy all new brooms for the season.......notta.
If anyone needs this fabric please message me. I can get you Approved heads/pads for Hardline, Performance, Balance Plus and Olson.
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