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When asked whether Curling Canada ought to revisit the relegation format, Dacey is dismissive.“Relegation’s fine," he says. "I don’t care about relegation. We’re way better than relegation. We’re too good for relegation." Then, he pivots back to where he thinks the troubles are really located, with the NSCA. "They just don’t help us shine.”

I am shocked that there has been little reaction to Mark Dacey and other competitive players from Nova Scotia challenging their association to improve the provincial championships including, ice conditions, rocks media coverage etc.

I read the article and must admit I am in 100% agreement. Also in agreement regarding Mark's quote on relegation, see above.

He realizes that the solution to improving Nova Scotia and other provinces chances for long term success go far greater than expanding the number of teams participating in an event, you need to be there to win.

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Relegation will be too hard ot get out of for some regions. There needs to be a rule that you can only be relegated two years in a row.

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Relegation will be too hard ot get out of for some regions. There needs to be a rule that you can only be relegated two years in a row.

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I think you are missing the point IMHO. Do you want to just get to an event or do you want to make improvements to the system in your province that are going to create meaningful improvements so that when you do get to the event, your chances of succeeding and really competing for a championship, are increased?

I can think of a number of players who earned the right to play in the Brier for example, who maybe only got there a couple of times but each time they competed, they had a real shot at winning, versus some who have participated in multiple Briers, but really never had a shot.....

I think that is Marks' point and the point that many of the "no relegation" side are not taking into consideration.

If your answer is going to be, happy to be there, then carry on..............

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I will keep saying this until the cows go home and then some but the main problem how do you better? Enter in a bunch touring events. How do you do that? Have a lot of cash on you especially for traveling. That may be fine for those who live relatively close to the bigger cities but in rural and especially more remote areas, its very expensive in a hurry to travel. One may said get sponsored but I say good luck with that even if you may have the skills. Back to the problem of curling is getting too elite and not helping out the rural folks who want to be legit and be competitive. Let's ask the Europeans teams on how they atleast get some money for traveling and be able to be off for 2 weeks at a time.

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You've got a solid point. I'd like to see some of those new slam events being held out east next season and maybe including one of the top local teams in the area.

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I will keep saying this until the cows go home and then some but the main problem how do you better? Enter in a bunch touring events. How do you do that? Have a lot of cash on you especially for traveling. That may be fine for those who live relatively close to the bigger cities but in rural and especially more remote areas, its very expensive in a hurry to travel. One may said get sponsored but I say good luck with that even if you may have the skills. Back to the problem of curling is getting too elite and not helping out the rural folks who want to be legit and be competitive. Let's ask the Europeans teams on how they atleast get some money for traveling and be able to be off for 2 weeks at a time.

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I will keep saying this until the cows go home and then some but the main problem how do you better? Enter in a bunch touring events. How do you do that? Have a lot of cash on you especially for traveling. That may be fine for those who live relatively close to the bigger cities but in rural and especially more remote areas, its very expensive in a hurry to travel. One may said get sponsored but I say good luck with that even if you may have the skills. Back to the problem of curling is getting too elite and not helping out the rural folks who want to be legit and be competitive. Let's ask the Europeans teams on how they atleast get some money for traveling and be able to be off for 2 weeks at a time.

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This argument does not hold water.

Let's look at Brad Gushue BEFORE he won Olympic gold. You could easily argue, if anyone had an excuse not to do well, someone from the rock would. However, this was not the case.

Brad was in 6 Junior Championships (95-01) and then went to play in 3 Briers, before Olympic glory. He didn't start playing in Grand Slams until the 2002 Players Championship and really didn't start playing the Slams full until 2004, again, before the Olympics. Sound familiar, see Adam Casey.

The bottom line is funding/sponsorhsip is not necessarily the problem but having the talent is. If you are good enough, you will find your way there.

That no sponsorship argument has been played around for decades, I can't recall ANY team coming out of the gates with tememendous sponsorship, it is gained over time by success. If you think it's easier for a young tema to get sponsors in Toronto, Vancouver or Saskatoon, I would suggest its not.

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while Gushue is a good curler, way back if he had not brought Russ Howard aboard to skip the team, he would never have seen the Olympics, let alone wiin it.

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Mark got it right but also got it wrong yes we need to pull up our socks in Nova Scotia but that does not make relegation right if not Nova Scotia then some other province like BC this year in the Scotties the Brier should be ALL INCLUSIVE that is the point those that oppose relegation are trying to make it should be the best in each province the end. Others think that it should be the top 12 in Canada that is really what all the fuss is about.Nova Scotia will get out of this position then that means another province is on the out side.

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The other point I want to make is the CCA can not be trusted to do the right thing I had a lot of faith in this group but the way they dealt with the three way tie was so wrong for a national event they can not be trusted it all about money with this group

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You're wrong. My post holds a lot of water and ice. Gushue had it made especially having Howard during the Olympic run helped him a lot. He's doing quite well now. Casey learned a fair bit from Gushue too. As of 5 years ago, if you want to have half a shot getting out of provincials let alone making a good a run it at the Brier, you absolutely better get yourself playing the Gushue's, McEwen's, Laycock et al a fair bit or you are going get beat quite easily even if one does their homework and watch countless hours of video (now readily available)at the provincials and if you somehow get to the Brier. Back to what I posted of the challenges curling has now.

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The other point I want to make is the CCA can not be trusted to do the right thing I had a lot of faith in this group but the way they dealt with the three way tie was so wrong for a national event they can not be trusted it all about money with this group

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Nope teams knew but for them to decide that the tie breaker would be their draw to the button was so wrong in so many ways.
I did not hear one team an I talked to a lot of them thought that was right should have been a play off at the very least

I will rephrase it they can not be trusted to make the right decision

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Nope teams knew but for them to decide that the tie breaker would be their draw to the button was so wrong in so many ways.
I did not hear one team an I talked to a lot of them thought that was right should have been a play off at the very least

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I think all of this can be cleared up if someone can answer the following two questions.

Define Brier ?

Define WCT Event ?

Enough said. CCA needs to revisit these definitions.

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But never would it be to decide to be in our out it would only ever be used to rank for tie breakers it should have been the first in the draw should have been number one second and third should have played off for the other spot in the final

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I think all of this can be cleared up if someone can answer the following two questions.

Define Brier ?

Define WCT Event ?

Enough said. CCA needs to revisit these definitions.

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It's pretty simple. If you want to have a inclusive event, one that promotes curling broadly, encourages participation, and maximizes opportunity to play against elite competition for all teams you can figure out a way to make it happen.

I cannot for the life of me understand out how a pool system or a 13 team round robin changes things so dramatically for sponsors or logistically. The considerations for these issues seem very minor compared to CCA's mandate, one in which they receive significant federal funding for, of promoting the sport and participation. Here is a breakdown of CCA's funding: http://canada.pch.gc.ca/eng/1414163496704/1414163642902

Any talk of CCA being guided by federal funding provisions, IMO, is very questionable.

It seems clear the only priority here is to not disrupt a 12 team round robin and the CCA is willing to sacrifice a national institution in order to do so.

I would rather see a country who has the most participation in a sport than being a world champion. I would rather see a provincial association prioritize participation than potentially expend its resources on creating arena conditions for a very limited amount of teams.

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You are missing my point, forget the Olympics. Look PRIOR to the olympics, he had been to multiple briers and qualified for grand slams. Did not have exhaustive sponsorship but was able to qualify and play In these high caliber events and all that from Newfoundland.

Look prior to Russ Howard, Gushue was still successful and playing in these events, nobody can discount what happened after going to the Olympics but the point is, he was doing what you suggest can't be done, prior to the Olympic run.

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100% agree. There is a slam in Truro NS next year, Even if they have a couple local teams allowed to play that would be a great incentive. Have a couple winners of local spiels able to qualify and then you will see these teams are able to compete with most of the slam teams.

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What would happen if Halifax got to host the Brier and the NS team didn't make it in? The revenues would take a major hit!

What if a major province like Ontario ended up relegated because of illness/injuries hitting them two years in a row at the Brier and they lose a relegation game on a pick or something and Ontario isn't in the main Brier field? Think of the hit the TV ratings would take.

The CCA is playing with fire on this.

On the other hand, if teams and players don't want to commit like the teams in other provinces, should they be given a free pass to compete in the main Brier?

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for what must be the 100,000th time, the host province ALWAYS is guaranteed participation in the brier. that's not a concern.

what if? what if? what if? those things might happen. seems pretty unlikely, but it very well may. if so, that's a great story. the brier continues as scheduled. not a concern.

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What would happen if Halifax got to host the Brier and the NS team didn't make it in? The revenues would take a major hit!

What if a major province like Ontario ended up relegated because of illness/injuries hitting them two years in a row at the Brier and they lose a relegation game on a pick or something and Ontario isn't in the main Brier field? Think of the hit the TV ratings would take.

The CCA is playing with fire on this.

On the other hand, if teams and players don't want to commit like the teams in other provinces, should they be given a free pass to compete in the main Brier?

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