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03-01-19 10:55AM
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Brandon Brier

bottcher 5 - epping 7 ee

soon the wc will win and there will be 4 super curlers playing for 2 wc spots

and then ...... well you know ..

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seeds
b pool
1 koe
4 gushue canada
5 ont macdonald
8 ns thompson
9 bc cotter
12nwt koe
13 nb odi
16 nu st lois


b pool

2 jacobs
3 wc what a joke
6 mb mcewen
7 sask muyres - my fav
10 q crete
11 nl symonds
14 pei likely
15 yk solberg

my big hope is a non wct wins before i croak

seems to be designed to have outcome determined

why would koe and gushue be on same side

if seeding is required by the poobahs
in the brier defending champ gushue shud be first , wc 1 and 2 shud not be seeded higher than alberta or ontario as they didnt exactly qualify - they shud be in a sock with all other unseeded 12 teams and drawn randomly .. kind of known as the fair way

if wc game ends in brawl tonight and ml gets wc berth is he still 3rd seed ?

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How is the seeding determined for the Wild Card team?

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I believe it goes to the two teams with the most CTRS points this season who didn't also win a provincial, and the one with more points gets to make the first choice about having hammer or not when they start.

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appears to be wct pts

result of tsn and rsn buying curl canada years ago

the best thing about seeding ( and there is nothing good about it ) is if joe average knocks off #1 or 2 then there is a bit of a path for joe ..

usually they have enough class to seed 4 or 8 teams but these guys cant even spell the word

funny thing is no matter what they do a million people watch every draw

ee scot final they show lead rocks in 1/4 screen

cameramen dont zoom out to show hog line and guards with overhead camera

switcher shows faces way to much -- rock moving down ice with cam zoomed in and no context is quite frustrating to a real fan - might as well watch grass grow

we are watching last year final on tsn now

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More beer and cold cuts gonna go thru that little hamlet of only 65,000 folks next 9 or 10 days.

And some great curling to boot.

The monsters are always ready - ie. Gushue, Koe, Jacobs but some very good teams that can win on any given level half-tier below
McEwen, Muyres, Cotter, McDonald, Crete, Bottcher or Epping.

And until the parties take their toll, Jamie Koe.

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The 16 teams have been seeded into two pools using CTRS rankings.

The Wild Card game winner tonight will automatically receive the No. 3 seed in pool A.

After Wednesday the top four teams ( W/L record ) from each pool will advance to the Championship round. On Saturday the top four teams ( W/L record ) will proceed to the Page playoffs.

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the best thing about seeding ( and there is nothing good about it )



fresca, what's wrong with the seeding? It's done CTRS standings, with the exception of the Wild Card getting the 3rd seed, which they likely would be by CTRS. How would you seed them?

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Also, WC is determined by CTRS not WCT.

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seeding is handicapping

would be like giving Brady a softball - oops bad example

its a national championship for FUN - - the full time sponsored , paid , travel supplied - ex private jet , brooms and equipment supplied 24 brooms at a time , lots of time to practise plus 8 games a week against worlds top players in slams , cups , briers and worlds - shud be enough advantage that starting saturday everyone should be treated equal -

$100,00o a year plus training exp for a team for 2 years if u win scot or brier - now thats just plain cheating

golf - no handicap at masters
world series - nope
stanley cup - nope
nba - nope

sailing - nope - except when fast classes race slower classes
ping pong - nope

corrupt olympics - dope

and for the younguns - its easy to watch on tv - but trust me it was way more fun to watch at the arenas 50 years ago - the folks in brandon at the barn will have the most fun of all viewers this week - plus they have the "patch "

- and the curlers curled 90% with straw brooms then - so00 quality hasnt changed much -

sooooooooooo
is it fair that kevin #1 plays #16
and Gushue #2 plays # 15

certainly not to #16 and #15

sorry you asked ?

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As predicted by most (in the know) Brandon Bottcher & The Popcorn Man (Darren Moulding) routinely dissect an under-powered John Epping; 4 down coming home w/ hammer!

Bottcher now pretty much assumes the #3 seeding, after Gushue & Koe.

Wonder where Laing plies his trade next season?

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fresca, I don't understand how it makes the playing field unlevel? Please explain. Also, how youd you have the pools divided up then?

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is it fair that kevin #1 plays #16
and Gushue #2 plays # 15

certainly not to #16 and #15




This comment here makes me think that you have no idea how the Brier is even run.

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we were switching between curling and jets v Nashville so perhaps I missed something that your keen eye perceived ...

Looked like a pretty good game to me - about 2 shots in early going made the difference ... epping got about 5 bad breaks in a roll ( hit and roll that sadly set up a double ) etc

Was fun to watch - my prediction appears to have come more from heart than brain - Bottcher was in last years final - like to see everyone get a chance

Both teams curled well and we will see lots of both

If John’s last quad run back was lined up about an inch better here and there he might have got a 3 and tied it up coming home - it’s a slippery game - and that reminds me

Why did John’s draw in first run straight instead of curling 2 ft behind the guard like previous rocks - remember how puzzled he looked -
Ice in arenas with tv lights is always affecting results - not a level playing field as in other sports

As to seeding I just like previous winners getting a head start - tv wants joe v Gushue final - and they do what it takes to get their way ...

Pretty sure if they just drew names out of a hat randomly ( no seeding ). Koe Gushue Jacobs and wc would still be in playoff round ..


Nice to encourage new curlers equal treatment - and seeding isn’t that imho

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It seems like equal treatmen to me by trying to divide the pools up with equal talent...the best way and least biased way you can. Would it be fair to have the top 8 teams in one pool, and the bottom 8 teams in another?

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Laing and Saville are not in the same class anymore as the young gun sweepers and with an erratic skip last nights game was predictable.

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Laing and Saville are not in the same class anymore as the young gun sweepers and with an erratic skip last nights game was predictable.


Savill and Laing were completely outclassed last night by Martin and Theissen.

Never understood why Epping would decide to swap out two top tier sweepers in March and Janssen for two over the hill guys. The idea that they brought experience is silly because John does what he wants to do. Laing hasn't been able to rein him in at all.

While the front ends were a major point of difference I think as always with John his game calling is what did it to him. His classic decision to play a high difficulty shot for the low reward blank instead of the open draw cost him a lot. Until John learns to call a game like a champion he won't ever be one.

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Made it as far as Winnipeg last night. Brandon bound this am. Hope to see some of you there, even you ML!

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Made it as far as Winnipeg last night. Brandon bound this am. Hope to see some of you there, even you ML!


You should have warned me you were coming thru I/O2 - could have stopped off and had coffee at my nursing home.

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Savill and Laing were completely outclassed last night by Martin and Theissen.

Never understood why Epping would decide to swap out two top tier sweepers in March and Janssen for two over the hill guys. The idea that they brought experience is silly because John does what he wants to do. Laing hasn't been able to rein him in at all.

While the front ends were a major point of difference I think as always with John his game calling is what did it to him. His classic decision to play a high difficulty shot for the low reward blank instead of the open draw cost him a lot. Until John learns to call a game like a champion he won't ever be one.



Not as much to do with Laingy & Savvy, they're still fine front end warriors who are no longer superstars, just great curlers. Both were men without countries so Poor John latched onto them after last season. The bigger reason is that Brier curling quickly devolves to CLUSTER CURLING (ie. clusters of frozen angled stones in certain parts of the house) - and the best guys to play cluster-curling are Goo, Koe, Jacobs & now Bottcher.

Epping, Cotter, even McEwen get frustrated and impatient when having to deal with clusters. I've noticed this tendency over the last few years.

The only guy from the past who, if he still had his magical shot-making powers who could handle the current CLUSTER-CURLING GAME is Kevin Martin. Kevin probably had the greatest mind in the history of the game - when his team was on (usually) and he was shooting lights-out, nobody could stop him.

Jeff Stoughton, another name from the past - abhorred the cluster-game and got very impatient when facing those frozen clusters. Same with Vic Peters.

btw - Clusters rarely existed during the halcyon days of Ken Watson, Ernie Richardson, Don Duguid, Matt Baldwin, Ab Gowanlock, Ron Northcott, etc. Clustering started as the 4 and 5 rock rule evolved.

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I didn’t see anyone out class last night by any means they all played well

It was a tight match where Epping is run by a double jammed and he was too down

He kept catching up until the last day in which doesn’t really matter anyways how big it is they were neck and neck Brandon gotta advantage When John had a bit of bad luck five guard rule has a tendency to do that to people
And the ice had a few surprises that hurt epping more than brendan

Both fantastic teams

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The best thing about seeding, there's no good about it. 03/01/19

As a rule of thumb, the top seeded teams will invariably find a way to reach the QF's / Championship round despite which other teams may have been assigned to their pool.

But is this a good reason to eliminate the seeding process altogether?

For example, would it be fair if Gushue had to play Jacobs, McEwen, Koe, Bottcher,and McDonald in order to qualify for the playoffs while Muyers had to play only teams who are further down the food chain like MacKey, Symonds, Likely and Solberg?

And what about those less-than-competitive teams, shouldn't they deserve a chance to play in Muyers' pool and have a minimal chance to reach the playoffs as opposed to playing in Gushue's pool and have no chance whatsoever?

And what if Gushue's team itself did not make it to the playoffs because they were forced to play only the top teams? That's what could actually happen when improper seedings are combined with an unbalanced pool distribution.

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Nice opening ceremonies. Great touch to bring back the Manitoba Champs the last 40 years.

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Nice opening ceremonies. Great touch to bring back the Manitoba Champs the last 40 years.


had to miss it...darn, who threw the opening rock?

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Past 40 means 79 to current:

Barry Fry
Mike Riley
Lloyd Gunnlaugson (dec.)
Orestchuk
Vic Peters (deceased)
Satch Duttiaume
Mark Lukowich
Brent Scales
The Fowlers
Davey-Boy Smith
Duane Edwards
Jeff Stoughton
Mike McEwen
Kerry Burtnyk
Mel Logan

Still some guys from the 50s & 60s. 70s kickin' around. Should have assigned Fresca to round up:

- Don Duguid
- Terry Bronko Braunstein
- Bruce Hudson (dec.)
- Norm Houck (dec.)
- J.D. Lyon (dec.)
- Burke Parker (?)
- Bobby Robinson
- Hersh Lerner (prolly wants nothing to do with Brandon)
- Clare DeBlonde
- Doug Harrison
- Danny Fink
- Rod Hunter (dec.)

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