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01-23-16 01:19PM |
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CurlingGeek
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2016 Canadian Juniors
Canadian Juniors are starting in Stratford, Ontario.
We've got geeks lined up for Newfoundland and BC, so expect lots of coverage of those two teams. First up NL vs ON for the women.
https://games.curlinggeek.com/broadcast/563
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01-23-16 05:09PM |
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misty1
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that manitoba/nunavut mens game is outrageous. 33-1?
i think that rule about playing 8 ends should be reduced 6 . its not fair to make them keep playing. i cant see any benefit in it..of course they could have wanted to go on but i dont see the point in that either
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01-23-16 08:10PM |
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curlerbroad
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ajay
God forbid we let common sense over rule political correctness. [/]
Well said...maybe the MB coach should have advised his team to play a bit more simpler...
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01-23-16 09:18PM |
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A moral skip does not have to be told by his coach how to handle the situation.
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01-23-16 09:55PM |
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curlerbroad
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Good point Decade
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01-23-16 10:24PM |
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quote: Originally posted by misty1
that manitoba/nunavut mens game is outrageous. 33-1?
i think that rule about playing 8 ends should be reduced 6 . its not fair to make them keep playing. i cant see any benefit in it..of course they could have wanted to go on but i dont see the point in that either
The team from Nunavut has very little experience on arena ice conditions and they're going to take every chance they can to gain experience and get better.
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01-23-16 10:31PM |
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curling canada and associations
What about Curling Canada and the Associations in question just being realistic and saying, hey we're not ready yet, we'll let you know when we are. Yes it's all about federal funding and inclusion but is anyone benefiting from this schmozzle? Certainly not the teams getting beaten by 32 nor the teams winning. There should be something similar in place to the 10 run mercy rule in baseball. Stop the misery once there's a 10 point difference regardless of which end.
I have no problem with MB scoring that many points, the last thing you want to do is change your style of game which could possibly affect your game vs better opponents. Who knows, they may have just put rocks in the rings hoping they could hit them but couldn't. With a score this lopsided, the fault lies not with the kids on the ice but with those that allowed this to happen.
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01-23-16 10:35PM |
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quote: Originally posted by misty1
that manitoba/nunavut mens game is outrageous. 33-1?
i think that rule about playing 8 ends should be reduced 6 . its not fair to make them keep playing. i cant see any benefit in it..of course they could have wanted to go on but i dont see the point in that either
In junior zones in Thompson, MB a long time ago, my team got destroyed just as badly as Nunavut got beat by Manitoba.
I had the misfortune of skipping a team who was put together a couple of weeks before zones and had a bad coach. I was very solid skip and curler who even spared a few times with the Mens league. Due to some lack of communication, we didn't get any practice time before our first game. Our first opponent. A team which been to provincials for a few years in a row. They did solid when they were at provincials. It was game over in the 3rd end. My team didn't trust me in knowing the ice was very straight and fast. The other team coach motioned to the other skip to back off after the 3rd end. I was able to relax and be casual with the skip of the other team but trust me, I wanted to get off the ice and beat it.
The remaining two games I played were a lot closer but lost.
The rest of my curling year went well including winning the youth / adult bonspiel, playing 2nd with a team which was pretty much like having 4 skips. We destroyed our opponents we played against
Yeah, the mercy rule after its 10-0 nothing would be nice.
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01-23-16 10:40PM |
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brycejmcewen
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This is what the people on the ice had to say after the game:
quote: Their attitudes are unbelievable, said Dunstone. Obviously, things werent quite going their way out there, but they were having fun out there, there were always smiles on their faces. And the best part is that I was talking to their skip the whole game, we were having a good time. Its awesome to see them out here.
The scoreboard might only show one team met its expectations Saturday at the Stratford Rotary Complex in the opening draw of the 2016 Canadian Juniors. But, rest assured, both teams left the ice with smiles on their faces after Manitobas 33-1 victory.
Its only our fourth year, so my expectations are pretty realistic, said Siksik, 20, with a laugh. We were playing Manitoba. Manitoba! Geez! Theyre a great team.
Its putting things into perspective and realizing why we play the game, said Dunstone. These guys sure show that they love the game, and it kind of reminds our team that were having fun out here, playing for a national championship. Not everyone gets to do this, so have fun while youre at it.
Source: http://www.curling.ca/blog/2016/01/...nadian-juniors/
It sure seems like they enjoyed themselves out there.
Misty1, Curlerbroad and Decade, has it ever occurred to you that maybe the curlers from Nunavut visit this forum? It sure seems like they weren't embarrassed or felt bad after the game. It's terrible of you to come on here and tell them they should feel embarrassed and MB should feel bad. You weren't at the game, you don't know what shots were called, what shots were missed, or how many ends the were "forced" to play. Just because your egos couldn't handle it, doesn't mean they couldn't.
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01-23-16 11:32PM |
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Exactly Bryce. This is a National Championship. You are going to use every shot available to you early in the competition to benefit your team as the event progresses. It is hard to take your foot off the pedal and intentionally throw rocks through/hog them or try to miss. This was certainly not done intentionally. Great article on this game btw.
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01-24-16 07:56AM |
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misty1
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quote: Originally posted by brycejmcewen
This is what the people on the ice had to say after the game:
Source: http://www.curling.ca/blog/2016/01/...nadian-juniors/
It sure seems like they enjoyed themselves out there.
Misty1, Curlerbroad and Decade, has it ever occurred to you that maybe the curlers from Nunavut visit this forum? It sure seems like they weren't embarrassed or felt bad after the game. It's terrible of you to come on here and tell them they should feel embarrassed and MB should feel bad. You weren't at the game, you don't know what shots were called, what shots were missed, or how many ends the were "forced" to play. Just because your egos couldn't handle it, doesn't mean they couldn't.
oh give me a break.none of us came on here and insulted that team or said or implied anything derogatory about them or manitoba. if you are going top come on here and attack someone for a past they made then make sure they are saying what you are accusing them of.pretty terrible of you to come on here and run your fat mouth
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01-24-16 10:18AM |
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Re: curling canada and associations
quote: Originally posted by IN-OFF-FOR-2
What about Curling Canada and the Associations in question just being realistic and saying, hey we're not ready yet, we'll let you know when we are. Yes it's all about federal funding and inclusion but is anyone benefiting from this schmozzle? Certainly not the teams getting beaten by 32 nor the teams winning. There should be something similar in place to the 10 run mercy rule in baseball. Stop the misery once there's a 10 point difference regardless of which end.
I have no problem with MB scoring that many points, the last thing you want to do is change your style of game which could possibly affect your game vs better opponents. Who knows, they may have just put rocks in the rings hoping they could hit them but couldn't. With a score this lopsided, the fault lies not with the kids on the ice but with those that allowed this to happen.
They have to start somewhere. This Nunavut team is also quite young, so they should have several years to improve upon their results.
If you want to see what playing means, check out Thomas Scoffin's progression from his first year to now. Playing games matters and not limiting them by way of a mercy rule means more time on the ice for these players too.
Thomas Scoffin - 2007 CDN Juniors:
http://www.curling.ca/wp-content/up...or_Men_2007.pdf
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01-24-16 01:28PM |
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curlerbroad
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quote: Originally posted by misty1
oh give me a break.none of us came on here and insulted that team or said or implied anything derogatory about them or manitoba. if you are going top come on here and attack someone for a past they made then make sure they are saying what you are accusing them of.pretty terrible of you to come on here and run your fat mouth
Agreed, we never said they shouldn't play, only have a fairer way - I.e. a mercy rule as was suggested earlier.
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01-24-16 08:06PM |
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The Nunavut Team is prepared for what they will face at Canadian Juniors. This is the only way that Nunavut will develop the sport and, in fact, I have heard they are at risk of losing all their clubs in the territory in the next 5 years.
The team does not want to shake after 6. In fact, they probably want to play the full 10 ends.
And yes, the team does visit this forum.
Saying rules should be changed implies the team should be ashamed of their results. I should never have to look at a child learning to curl and say, "You can never go to the Brier or Scotties, you live in Nunavut."
The truth is, you don't know the facts here, and comments like what have been posted only hamper our development as players quit.
Remember - the real losers are the ones who don't try.
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01-25-16 09:37AM |
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On a positive note.. Who does everyone predict will hoist the trophy this year?
I think for the men's side we can assume team MB will be around at the end of the week and will likely claim first place after championship round. Ontario men's team seem strong but dropped two losses early, and this is the AB men second time on the big stage so with more experience they could make a go. Quebec men have a very strong and fearless skip, and of course SK men who claimed silver medals last year will be hunting for a playoff sport. BC men also are strong with Tardi claiming bronze at CWG and being selected for YOG.. surely he's been training hard this year which will help his chances here.
Predictons: Gold - Manitoba. Silver - BC. Bronze - Quebec. AB finishes fourth
Women also have a very strong field. I'm thinking Mary Fay will claim first place after championship round is complete. This is their third time around, new energy this year with a new third and YOG training may be just what they need to finally cap things off. AB and MB women should be around at the end of the week. AB skip made a fabulous shot to make it here so she obviously has some fire in her that could take her team to the finish line. I'm not familiar with the MB women but I think their second and third have some national experience. NO women claimed gold at CWG but I don't think they'll have the stamina to make semis this week. BC women should be finishing first or second in their round robin pool and will be around at the end of the week. Sarah Daniels is a strong player with a young but experienced team.
Predictions: Gold - NS. Silver - BC. Bronze - MB. AB finishes fourth.
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01-25-16 09:40AM |
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im thinking British Columbia wins the mens event
Nova Scotia to win the womens event .
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01-25-16 10:06AM |
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They just don't have the competition up North and it costs so much to travel and get good competition. I think its more lack of game time than lack of coaching, however that may play a factor as well. I'm assuming they don't get their ice in until mid-October as well.
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01-25-16 10:26AM |
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quote: Originally posted by Junior
They just don't have the competition up North and it costs so much to travel and get good competition. I think its more lack of game time than lack of coaching, however that may play a factor as well. I'm assuming they don't get their ice in until mid-October as well.
So rather than have the Northern Teams use these Juniors as "practice time" why doesn't Curling Canada set up training camps for them. Fly them down for a week of training, play a few games. They do it for elites, so if they have to include the North in the Nationals, then help them get better. Find a sponsor to fund them in some OJCT events or other junior tours. At least prepare them for the competition. Personally I don't think the elite Juniors need training camps, spend the money on the areas still under development.
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01-25-16 04:59PM |
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I cannot say strongly enough that regardless of what everyone else has said, Manitoba's team should be ashamed, even if they are "kids". Putting up 5 in the 8th end, with a 28-1 lead going in. Seriously, that is just pour behavior. Has no one ever taught them the spirit of curling. I'll just quote a bit
"the Spirit of Curling demands good sportsmanship, kindly feeling and honourable conduct."
Running up the score is not good sportsmanship. And for the argument that it is Nationals, and all rocks are needed to practice to win the event. Well, that's horse poop.
First of all, if you are scoring like that, its not like you are really having to execute shots, so you are not getting practice. Second, there are other ways to practice that don't involve scoring. Have every play throw guards. First shot a guard. Second shot, freeze to that guard, come behind that guard, or even tick the guard you just placed.
And it doesn't matter if the guys who scored 1 still smiled. You know what makes people smile more? Not losing 33-1. the 14 points that Manitoba put up in 6, 7 & 8, an injustice. Manitoba slows down, only scores a couple in each end, and everyone still wins. What a freaking joke
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01-25-16 05:10PM |
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misty1
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quote: Originally posted by curlerbroad
So rather than have the Northern Teams use these Juniors as "practice time" why doesn't Curling Canada set up training camps for them. Fly them down for a week of training, play a few games. They do it for elites, so if they have to include the North in the Nationals, then help them get better. Find a sponsor to fund them in some OJCT events or other junior tours. At least prepare them for the competition. Personally I don't think the elite Juniors need training camps, spend the money on the areas still under development.
i think thats a good idea. curling canada has workshops all over the country, why cant they start doing workshops up north. i mean,i imagine that its more expensive but its worth the effort to develop these teams who have a hard time getting anywhere out of their home territory. It also got to be a better option then just having these teams come to nationals and learn through trial by fire. I think it would be a great deal of good to look into it and i imagine they would like it
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01-25-16 05:17PM |
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quote: Originally posted by curlky
I cannot say strongly enough that regardless of what everyone else has said, Manitoba's team should be ashamed, even if they are "kids". Putting up 5 in the 8th end, with a 28-1 lead going in. Seriously, that is just pour behavior. Has no one ever taught them the spirit of curling. I'll just quote a bit
"the Spirit of Curling demands good sportsmanship, kindly feeling and honourable conduct."
Running up the score is not good sportsmanship. And for the argument that it is Nationals, and all rocks are needed to practice to win the event. Well, that's horse poop.
First of all, if you are scoring like that, its not like you are really having to execute shots, so you are not getting practice. Second, there are other ways to practice that don't involve scoring. Have every play throw guards. First shot a guard. Second shot, freeze to that guard, come behind that guard, or even tick the guard you just placed.
And it doesn't matter if the guys who scored 1 still smiled. You know what makes people smile more? Not losing 33-1. the 14 points that Manitoba put up in 6, 7 & 8, an injustice. Manitoba slows down, only scores a couple in each end, and everyone still wins. What a freaking joke
curlky,
have you actually been at a Canadian Junior Nationals when Team Nunavut has sent a team? I have. The quality of the team they send is, in all fairness, not good compared to even an entry-level, junior national calibre team. It's difficult to say what you'd have to instruct your team to do to keep points off the score board - the only, and I mean only, possible option would be to tell them to throw it through up until skip's first rock.
And sorry, "Putting up 5 in the 8th end" is not what Team Manitoba did. The teams are mandated to play 8 ends (it used to only be 6) and the score for each end is also mandated to be recorded. In a regular bonspiel game, the Manitoba lads would have hung up the first end score, and that's the last score that would have been shown - would that make you feel better about how this scoring was handled?
Unless you were there to witness things in person it's beyond me how you can say "What a freaking joke"
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01-25-16 05:30PM |
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misty1
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i think we need to watch ourselves here and not label teams putrid
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