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03-07-06 12:21AM |
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nowayjose
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Re: Statman not blessed by Holywater
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Originally posted by Statman
I'm not afraid to stand behind what I write for Sweep Magazine, or put down here at the CZ.
Well that answers why you have such a problem with the list. You write for a competing magazine!
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03-07-06 12:38AM |
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Statman
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My way or no way, Jose?
"Such a problem?" I'm only trying to balance out the discussion. Besides, I write freelance for several publications, and also have a regular column with a major newspaper. What's that got to do with honest discourse, and asking difficult questions? These are my opinions and I am beholden to no particular publication when I state my views. That's more than can be said for some of the posters here.
Perhaps the TCN should stand up for itself!
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Originally posted by nowayjose
Well that answers why you have such a problem with the list. You write for a competing magazine!
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03-08-06 12:17PM |
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UpYerKilt
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 Who is the Mystery TCN list lister??
Ha Ha ! LOVE this..and notice how people suddenly dropped out of here!!
I would like to know WHO drew up these lists on TCN as well..
From the reaction..it seems like Posada ( who lives in ITALY??) did?
and how does He know the state of the WOMEN's game in Canada..perhaps..the reason that he still insists on the Superiority of Japan because they won a couple of BIG games in Italy.
Anyway...
TCN TOP 15 WOMEN as of Mar. 06
Anette Norberg (SWE)... Gold for one of the greatest ever
Kelly Scott (BC)... Finished what she started
Jennifer Jones (MB) ..Had her chances to repeat
Mirjam Ott (Sui.) ...Silver still shines
Shannon Kleibrink (AB) ...Meet-and-greet from now to the Players’ Championship
Colleen Jones (NS) ..Good show from the veterans
Eve Belisle (QC) ...Bubbly quote machine captured some Hearts
Heather Strong (NL) ..One wild week: got kicked, won six in a row and struggled at the end
Andrea Kelly (NB) ..No fear at debut STOH appearance
Cathy King (AB)..Lost a must-win to JJones on Scott Thursday
Dordi Nordby (Nor) ..Will she show up in Grande Prairie?
Stefanie Lawton (SK)..Waiting for Calgary
Jenn Hanna (ON) ...Rumours confirmed
Kelly Wood (SCO) ..Beat Olympic boss Rhona; off to Worlds
Ayumi Onodera (Japan)
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03-08-06 12:29PM |
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UpYerKilt
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Registered: Mar 2003
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 Women's Worlds March 18-26
Everyone's focus is on the Upcoming Brier..and rightfully so..It will be AWESome!!
However..Here's a link to the Women's Worlds (March 18-26)site:
http://www.fordworlds.ca/home.asp
and if anyone cares to comment on their views about the
CHINA and Netherland Teams??
How BIG a Threat will they pose to the rest of the Teams??
Teams: Germany, Netherlands, Italy, Sweden, Switzerland
USA, Scotland, Japan, China, Norway, Canada, Denmark
enjoy the Brier..then GO Teams CANADA!!!!
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04-03-08 02:22AM |
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nelski
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I haven't looked at the new (2008) list yet, but I'm guessing China is also on it. Is it a different Japanese team now, than the '06 list posted at the top of this thread? Did Dupont/Jenssen get on the list? How about the Russians? In Canada - strong teams that have risen since '06.. I can think of a few. Arseneault? Strong? OK, Posada. Please post it here for easy reference. I enjoyed the retro-read, from 2006. Thanks. Let the debate resume.
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04-03-08 03:31AM |
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This is their supposed "top 15" for 08.
1)Jennifer Jones (Winnipeg)
World champion; simply refused to die
2)Kelly Scott (Kelowna)
Canada Cup finalists; special congratulations to the skipper!
3)Shannon Kleibrink (Calgary)
Tentative play in STOH final wrecked a brilliant week
4)Stefanie Lawton (Saskatoon)
Breaks through with big win at Canada Cup
5)Sherry Middaugh (Coldwater)
Bronzed again
6)Michelle Englot (Regina)
Gutsy show despite personal tragedy
7)Marie-France Larouche (Quebec City)
Strategy good enough for playoffs
8)Bingyu Wang (China)
From 14th to 8th after Vernon; do they know how good they are?
9)Heather Strong (St. John´s)
If not for a time clock problem...
10)Mirjam Ott (Switzerland)
Happy with first Worlds podium finish
11)Cheryl Bernard (Calgary)
Semis at Canada Cup
12)Sherry Anderson (Delisle)
Decent season for the veterans
13)Eve Bélisle (Quebec City)
Tough QUE loss after a superb season
14)Moe Meguro (Japan)
And you laughed at last year´s TCN Top 15 appearances
15)Cathy King (Edmonton)
Okey-dokey in 2007-08
Quite hysterical list actually. Here's their list before editing..
1)Kelly Scott
Hasn't won anything all year, but because we like her she's #1
2)Shannon Kleibrink
Good Scotties, excellent cashspiel season. She'd be #1 on our list if it wasn't for Kelly
3)Chinease team
Despite the face they haven't proven a thing, and many of the shots they make are pure fluke; they're #3. (editors note) Do they understand how flukey they were?
4) Stefanie Lawton
Yep, the team that beat Scott at the Canada cup is #4. If they didn't screech so much they would've been higher.
5) S. Middaugh
Another good STOH for the veteran. Could've been higher; but you guessed it! The screeching!!
6) M. F. Larouche
Exciting team, very hot third/vice.
7)Miriam Ott
Good worlds. Her vice is a strong candidate for next curler gracing the cover of european playboy.
8) Heather Strong
Despite the fact she's never won a thing and she curls in a province that maybe has 50 female curlers. We'll put her ahead of some of the stronger alberta,ontario,manitoba and sask teams.
9) Moe Meguro
Good young team. potential if they stick together.
10)Cheryl Bernard
Couple of good perfomances on the women's curling tour.
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04-03-08 03:42AM |
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1)Kelly Scott
Hasn't won anything all year, but because we like her she's #1
2)Shannon Kleibrink
Good Scotties, excellent cashspiel season. She'd be #1 on our list if it wasn't for Kelly
3)Chinease team
Despite the face they haven't proven a thing, and many of the shots they make are pure fluke; they're #3. (editors note) Do they understand how flukey they were?
4) Stefanie Lawton
Yep, the team that beat Scott at the Canada cup is #4. If they didn't screech so much they would've been higher.
5) S. Middaugh
Another good STOH for the veteran. Could've been higher; but you guessed it! The screeching!!
6) M. F. Larouche
Exciting team, very hot third/vice.
7)Miriam Ott
Good worlds. Her vice is a strong candidate for next curler gracing the cover of european playboy.
8) Heather Strong
Despite the fact she's never won a thing and she curls in a province that maybe has 50 female curlers. We'll put her ahead of some of the stronger alberta,ontario,manitoba and sask teams.
9) Moe Meguro
Good young team. potential if they stick together.
10)Cheryl Bernard
Couple of good perfomances on the women's curling tour.
(Editor) Ummm, shouldn't Jones be somewhere in the top 10?
(Writer) Nah, I don't like her. Besides that everything she's won has been pure luck. The slams, two canadian championships and the world title all LUCK. Despite the fact she makes the shots when it counts, she's only a C+ skip. (the c+ thing is a quote from some troll from curlingzone)
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11-06-09 12:23AM |
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Sorry for reviving an old thread, but I searched for a math-based rating of curling teams (instead of money-based).
Finding none, I built a tiny rating database using the glicko algorithm and most games of the womens world curling tour of the last two seasons.
Results: (1st number is the rating, second the RD value)
[Non-Canadian teams likely to compete in Vancouver:]
Anette Norberg 1771 113
Wang Bingyu 1733 75
Mirjam Ott 1648 74
Andrea Schopp 1669 103
Eve Muirhead 1612 83
L. Privivkova 1597 60
Meguro Moe 1529 80
Deb McCormick 1435 90
A. Jensen 1441 100
[qualified canadian teams]
Jennifer Jones 1832 74
Cheryl Bernard 1765 86
Stefanie Lawton 1679 73
Shan. Kleibrink 1647 85
[pre-qualified canadian teams]
Kelly Scott 1745 72
K.McCarville 1728 92
Rachel Homan 1723 103
Amber Holland 1682 70
Cathy King 1644 69
Eve Belisle 1629 96
Sherry Middaugh 1599 80
M-F. Larouche 1589 89
Sherry Anderson 1558 86
Heather Rankin 1552 73
Crystal Webster 1493 86
Michelle Englot 1478 75
[other teams]
S. Viktorsson 1691 88
Kerri Flett 1674 78
(Erika Brown) 1683 129
Megan Kirk 1618 79
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11-06-09 04:50AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Unregistered
Sorry for reviving an old thread, but I searched for a math-based rating of curling teams (instead of money-based).
Finding none, I built a tiny rating database using the glicko algorithm and most games of the womens world curling tour of the last two seasons.
Results: (1st number is the rating, second the RD value)
[Non-Canadian teams likely to compete in Vancouver:]
Anette Norberg 1771 113
Wang Bingyu 1733 75
Mirjam Ott 1648 74
Andrea Schopp 1669 103
Eve Muirhead 1612 83
L. Privivkova 1597 60
Meguro Moe 1529 80
Deb McCormick 1435 90
A. Jensen 1441 100
[qualified canadian teams]
Jennifer Jones 1832 74
Cheryl Bernard 1765 86
Stefanie Lawton 1679 73
Shan. Kleibrink 1647 85
[pre-qualified canadian teams]
Kelly Scott 1745 72
K.McCarville 1728 92
Rachel Homan 1723 103
Amber Holland 1682 70
Cathy King 1644 69
Eve Belisle 1629 96
Sherry Middaugh 1599 80
M-F. Larouche 1589 89
Sherry Anderson 1558 86
Heather Rankin 1552 73
Crystal Webster 1493 86
Michelle Englot 1478 75
[other teams]
S. Viktorsson 1691 88
Kerri Flett 1674 78
(Erika Brown) 1683 129
Megan Kirk 1618 79
WOW!!
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'll give you a cookie if you can explain how in this "system", a team like kerri fleet, who has never won anything, how can they have more points than Kleibrink and only be a couple hundred pts behind a team like J Jones?
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11-06-09 10:39AM |
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quote:
'll give you a cookie if you can explain how in this "system", a team like kerri fleet, who has never won anything, how can they have more points than Kleibrink and only be a couple hundred pts behind a team like J Jones?
Thanks for your indication.
The Glicko ration system is well explained on e.g. wikipedia, it is like the ELO chess system based on game outcomes (win, loss) only (of course taking into account the probable strength of the opponents), you don't need to win a single tournament to have a extremely high rating.
As the data base of "my" rating is rather sparse (WCT 08/09 and 09/10 until now, some games still missing because I don't have its results), the ratings are not too reliable, I must confess.
As to Jones and Flett: The difference of 1832(74) and 1674(78) is rather significant. Ignoring the RD-values, it means that the Jones team is expected to win vs. Flett about 70:30, which is huge in a sport like womens curling.
Though, the Flett rating is too high because of an error in my data, derived from here:
http://www.worldcurlingtour.com/eve...s&showdrawid=12
With such a small sample of just a dozen games per season, a simple win vs. a relatively strong team (which did not happen!) can bias the data somewhat.
On the other hand: Flett played a really good season so far, the team played a lot of strong opponents and still won most of their games.
Kleibrink on the other hand lost much more games, especially recently. She started the season with a rating of 1800, but lost a lot.
(Kleibrink vs. Flett on WCT is 1:1 this season, btw)
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11-06-09 10:43AM |
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Reality check: With only one WCT-season and most of the non-canadian teams with virtually no base in the data, the rating before the worlds in Gangneung would have been:
Norberg 1808 145
Wang 1727 114
Kim* 1723 149
Jones 1645 108
Ott 1644 122
Muirhead 1544 108
Jensen 1541 147
Privivkova 1536 104
McCormick 1499 125
Schopp 1463 132
Gaspari 1286 145
Skaslien** 1218 204
If you switch Kim (of whom I have only one tournament, which she won) and Jensen (one tournament, awful performance), you are pretty close to the actual outcomes.
(* one tournament only)
(** two different members, different skip, one tournament only)
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11-06-09 01:21PM |
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Interesting stuff, Unregistered. You should build a CZ chat profile (name) so that readers can more easily follow your posts, and evaluate this cool thingamabob you've created.
As for the origin of this thread, The Curling News Top 15 has seen some facinating movements this season. Glenn Howard recently rocketed from fifth to first on the men's list, but Kevin Martin lags in fourth place, with Kevin Koe in fifth.
Norway's Thomas Ulsrud is ranked second, while Brad Gushue is clinging to third.
On the women's side, JJones is hanging on to first place despite two back-to-back Tour losses to old rival Kelly Scott – of which the latter punted Jones out of the money in Saskatoon, her first cashless weekend of the season.
Scott has now vaulted all the way up to second, while other recent big movers include the national Olympic teams of Switzerland and... Russia!
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11-06-09 11:41PM |
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jonap
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The rating system works much better with the men - more games to rate, better rating I guess:
rating | rd | sname
1934 | 73 | G.Howard
1931 | 79 | K.Martin
1809 | 76 | B.Ursel
1792 | 78 | T.Ulsrud
1765 | 73 | K.Koe
1754 | 77 | R.Ferbey
1748 | 81 | B.Gushue
1737 | 78 | N.Edin
1733 | 98 | W.Middaugh
1733 | 73 | M.McEwen
1724 | 79 | P.Simmons
1724 | 66 | T.Appelman
[etc. pp.]
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