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TCN..blows it yet again..
Here is their Top 15 Women's Teams List as of March 1.
Check #3 on the list...ahead of an Olympic medal..

1. Anette Norberg (Sweden) ..Gold for one of the greatest ever
2. Mirjam Ott (Switz.) ..Cool and unflappable, she almost had the Olympic upset
3. Cathy King (Edmonton) ...Scoring and stealing like mad in London
4. Shannon Kleibrink (Calgary)..Bronze a fine ending for a difficult week
5. Jennifer Jones (Winnipeg) ..Team Canada churning along in London
6. Kelly Scott (Kelowna)..Last year´s semifinalist wants more
7. Dordi Nordby (Norway) ..Good Oly week for the veteran
8. Colleen Jones (Halifax)..Born again at this 25th Scott?
9. Ayumi Onodera (Japan) ..These girls can play
10. Andrea Kelly (Fredricton) ..No surprise, sayeth us, on their strong Scott start
11. Eve Belisle (Quebec) ..Making everyone forget MF Larouche
12. Stefanie Lawton (Sask.) ..Still a good year
13 Jenn Hanna (Ottawa) ..Rumours of a new third
14 Heather Strong (NL) ..Solid Scott play from The Rock
15.Krista Scharf (TBay) ..Inconsistent at STOH midweek; needs to roll
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They may be wishing they had waited until the end of this week to draw up the list. Hard to imagine what criteria (if any) were used to arrive at these rankings.

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Could be:
1. Anette Norberg (Sweden) Top of the world
2. Mirjam Ott (Switz.) shots and daring
3. Kelly Scott (Kelowna)..wants the Scott crown..bad
4. Jennifer Jones (Winnipeg) may switch with above Mar 5
5. Shannon Kleibrink (Calgary)..Bronze against the World's best
6. Colleen Jones (Halifax)..Third at the STOH
7. Dordi Nordby (Norway) ..4th at the Oly
8.Andrea Kelly (NB) baby at the Scott..BIG future
9. Cathy King (Edmonton) a good year..nose dive at STOH
10.Krista Scharf (ON)..baby out of a tough province
11.Stefanie Lawton (Sask.) should have won SK
12 Jenn Hanna (Ottawa) needs to learn to finish
13. Suzanne Gaudet (PEI) get a Team and she'll be back ..better
14 Heather Strong (NL) ..Solid Scott play from The Rock
15. Ayumi Onodera (Japan)..knocked off some good Team in Italy

Let's hear how some of you more knowledgeable rate the BEST
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Other than a having a few tokes, a Johnny Walker or two, consulting with Cheech and Chong, and then throwing the list up against the wall and picking names them at random...beyond #1, this list is bizarre at best!

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Could be:
1. Anette Norberg (Sweden) Top of the world
2. Mirjam Ott (Switz.) shots and daring
3. Kelly Scott (Kelowna)..wants the Scott crown..bad
4. Jennifer Jones (Winnipeg) may switch with above Mar 5
5. Shannon Kleibrink (Calgary)..Bronze against the World's best
6. Colleen Jones (Halifax)..Third at the STOH
7. Dordi Nordby (Norway) ..4th at the Oly
8.Andrea Kelly (NB) baby at the Scott..BIG future
9. Cathy King (Edmonton) a good year..nose dive at STOH
10.Krista Scharf (ON)..baby out of a tough province
11.Stefanie Lawton (Sask.) should have won SK
12 Jenn Hanna (Ottawa) needs to learn to finish
13. Suzanne Gaudet (PEI) get a Team and she'll be back ..better
14 Heather Strong (NL) ..Solid Scott play from The Rock
15. Ayumi Onodera (Japan)..knocked off some good Team in Italy

Let's hear how some of you more knowledgeable rate the BEST

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Come on Posada. Things shouldn't change dramatically in one week given that only twelve teams in the whole world get play in the Scott. In fact, seven of your top 15 didn't even participate in the Scott. Besides, today is March 4th, and the list UYK refers to is as of March 1st. That’s about as up-to-date as it gets. Four days is hardly out of date.

Moving teams such as Belisle (Quebec) into the top 15 based on a few draws at the Hearts, and a Japanese team that has no form outside the Olympics to 9th in the world (???) is absurd. With all due respect to our Japanese ladies, but I doubt they’d win many club championships in Canada.

You do curling no good and indeed the credibility of CCN no good with these preposterous rankings. Perhaps you should consider using objective criteria, rather than asking Bozo, the world’s most famous clown what he thinks.

"After every draw of an event?" What are you guys at the Curling News actually smoking these DAZE?

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Nice job, UYK.

We'll get to our new list after tomorrow's STOH final. Until then, our list from March 1 will stand.

Perhaps we should change the template to read "as of (March 1) and not a day later than (March 1)" so everyone clearly understands that the list is not updated after every draw of an event, much less every day...?

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I forgot to include Cassie Johnson..USA

who would certainly rank about #6 or #7
dropping the list DOWN and knocking Japan..
into a lower ranking.
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As of March 4: from a Canadian not affiliated with any media:

1. Anette Norberg (Sweden) Top of the world
2. Mirjam Ott (Switz.) shots and daring
3. Kelly Scott (Kelowna)..wants the Scott crown..bad
4. Jennifer Jones (Winnipeg) may switch with above Mar 5
5. Shannon Kleibrink (Calgary)..Bronze against the World's best
6. Colleen Jones (Halifax)..Third at the STOH
7. Cassie Johnson-USA..silver medal Worlds 2005
8. Dordi Nordby (Norway) ..4th at the Oly
9.Andrea Kelly (NB) baby at the Scott..BIG future
10. Cathy King (Edmonton) a good year..nose dive at STOH
11.Krista Scharf (ON)..baby out of a tough province
12.Stefanie Lawton (Sask.) should have won SK
13 Jenn Hanna (Ottawa) needs to learn to finish
14. Suzanne Gaudet (PEI) get a Team and she'll be back ..better
15 Heather Strong (NL) ..Solid Scott play from The Rock
16. Debbie McCormick- USA
17.Patti Lank-USA

Let's hear how some of you more knowledgeable ( than me)
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Rating the top 15 womens curling teams is kind of like picking the worlds 15 best mimes.The women curlers are very mistake prone,and many of the games aew decided by who makes the last mistake.Many things can affect the rankings including but not limited to :moodiness,periods,menopause,hot flashes,headaches,and the weather.I don't see how you can even compare the european teams that never play any of the north american teams.Team qyebec,newfoundland,japan,new brunswick and a few others arent even close to being in the top 15.I would rather read about curling pants then this top 15 list by the curling news.

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I get it now. You are a reject from a "Trailer Park Boys" tryout. I guess even "Bubbles" couldn't fathom your Neanderthal ravings.

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Rating the top 15 womens curling teams is kind of like picking the worlds 15 best mimes.The women curlers are very mistake prone,and many of the games aew decided by who makes the last mistake.Many things can affect the rankings including but not limited to :moodiness,periods,menopause,hot flashes,headaches,and the weather.I don't see how you can even compare the european teams that never play any of the north american teams.Team qyebec,newfoundland,japan,new brunswick and a few others arent even close to being in the top 15.I would rather read about curling pants then this top 15 list by the curling news.

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As of March 4: from a Canadian not affiliated with any media:

1. Anette Norberg (Sweden) Top of the world
2. (Switz.) shots and daring
3. Kelly Scott (Kelowna)..wants the Scott crown..bad
4. Jennifer Jones (Winnipeg) may switch with above Mar 5
5. Shannon Kleibrink (Calgary)..Bronze against the World's best
6. Colleen Jones (Halifax)..Third at the STOH
7. Cassie Johnson-USA..silver medal Worlds 2005
8. Dordi Nordby (Norway) ..4th at the Oly
9.Andrea Kelly (NB) baby at the Scott..BIG future
10. Cathy King (Edmonton) a good year..nose dive at STOH
11.Krista Scharf (ON)..baby out of a tough province
12.Stefanie Lawton (Sask.) should have won SK
13 Jenn Hanna (Ottawa) needs to learn to finish
14. Suzanne Gaudet (PEI) get a Team and she'll be back ..better
15 Heather Strong (NL) ..Solid Scott play from The Rock
16. Debbie McCormick- USA
17.Patti Lank-USA

Let's hear how some of you more knowledgeable ( than me)
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The list isn't worth commenting on so I won't.

Some of them might not be in the top 50 or 100 on that list.

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My list after Sunday
Janet Harvey
The rest is pointless. Numerous canadian teams could be mentioned long before teams like Johnson from the USA or Nordby from Norway!

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Lawton is way ahead of Kelly and so far ahead of Scarf.
Plus I think Sherry Anderson still belongs on that list and also Kay Zinck

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It's just womens curling.

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And don't forget Jenn Hanna. In the same way that Ferbey doesn't drop off the men's list for losing Alta provs, neither should Ont runner-up and last years Scott finalist Hanna. Definitely top 15.

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Just before th Scott Final: March 4...

1. Anette Norberg (Swe) Top of the world
2. M.Ott ..(SUI) shots and daring but not at Worlds??
3. Kelly Scott (BC)..wants the Scott crown..bad
4. Jennifer Jones (MB) may switch with above Mar 5
5. Shannon Kleibrink (AB)..Bronze against the World's best
6. Colleen Jones (NS)..Third at the STOH
7 Jenn Hanna (ON) ...needs to learn to finish
8.Stefanie Lawton ..... should have won SK
9.Sherry Anderson (SK)
9. Cassie Johnson-USA..silver medal Worlds 2005
10. Cathy King (AB) a good year..nose dive at STOH
11.Andrea Kelly (NB) baby at the Scott..BIG future
12. Suzanne Gaudet (PEI) get a Team and she'll be back ..better
13 Heather Strong (NL) ..Solid Scott play from The Rock
14. Kay Zinck (NS)..gotta beat that "other" Team...
15. Dordi Nordby (Norway) ..4th at the Oly
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16.Krista Scharf (ON)..baby out of a tough province
17. Debbie McCormick- USA
18.Russia / Scotland ( GBR)

dugless..you still in here..? ...thought you didn't like Women's Curling

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My list after Sunday

Norberg - World and Olympic champ. No doubt Should be #1
J Jones - $65,000 this year, Canadian champion X2 perhaps
Kelly Scott- Trials & Scott finalist;Not a good year on the cash circuit Mirjam Ott- Put her here cause of the silver medal. Is she that good?
Cathy King- Peaked at the Canada cup.
Kleibrink- Her team will split in the near future
Lawton - The team of the future if they stick together
C Jones - Good showing at the canadian championship.
Jan Betker
Sherry Middaugh
Janet Harvey

The rest is pointless. Numerous canadian teams could be mentioned long before teams like Johnson from the USA or Nordby from Norway!

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And don't forget Jenn Hanna. In the same way that Ferbey doesn't drop off the men's list for losing Alta provs, neither should Ont runner-up and last years Scott finalist Hanna. Definitely top 15.

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Come on Posada. Things shouldn't change dramatically in one week given that only twelve teams in the whole world get play in the Scott.In fact, seven of your top 15 didn't even participate in the Scott.

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My manners aren't the issue here, George, or "Posada" or whoever you are. But your preposterous and thoroughly discounted approach to ranking curling teams is. Read the previous posts and you'll get a flavour as to what curling fans think of your top 15 lists and the bizarre and ephemeral (or is that ethereal?) criteria you appear to use to arrive at your randomized rankings.

I'll rest my case re. Ayumi Onodera, but if you think they rank in the top 10 teams in the world (9th on the March 1 list), or even in the top ten in Manitoba for that matter, then TCN needs a brain transplant.

I notice Ms. Onodera dropped from 9th to 15th on your latest "list," and that despite the fact she didn't play last week, nor did several of the teams that are now rated above her. Go figure!!!!

As to "BOZO," you might want to attach the following website to your top 15's as a reference footnote for your lists. http://www.clown-ministry.com/History/bozo-clown.html

PS I notice that Ms. Onodera will NOT be representing Japan at the upcoming Worlds. Its arguable as to whether she is now the best team in Japan, let alone in the top 15 on the planet.

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Things can change as dramatically or as undramatically as one wishes, given a subjective list.

It certainly is, according to posters who were astounded that Cathy King would be ranked high -- "scoring points like mad" came straight from her overwhelming offensive stats plus her won/loss record at the time –- just a day or so after she fell out of contention.

No form?

They've embarked on tons of in-Canada travel the last two years exclusively; scored two Top 3 finishes on the World Curling Tour this fall, which included wins over Bernard, Bryden and Kleibrink; Olympic wins over Canada (again), the Brits and very nearly Sweden (they should have won that game) and Kleibrink commented that they were the best hitting team at the Games.

We think they would win their fair share of Canadian club championships.

First of all, it's THE Curling News. Second, Bozo happens to be a beloved children's character and you've just insulted a charming legacy. Third... is that what posters mean when they label you insulting and arrogant? We should read these boards more often, and compile some "objective criteria" on your manners...

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My manners aren't the issue here, George, or "Posada" or whoever you are. But your preposterous and thoroughly discounted approach to ranking curling teams is. Read the previous posts and you'll get a flavour as to what curling fans think of your top 15 lists and the bizarre and ephemeral (or is that ethereal?) criteria you appear to use to arrive at your randomized rankings.

I'll rest my case re. Ayumi Onodera, but if you think they rank in the top 10 teams in the world (9th on the March 1 list), or even in the top ten in Manitoba for that matter, then TCN needs a brain transplant.

I notice Ms. Onodera dropped from 9th to 15th on your latest "list," and that despite the fact she didn't play last week, nor did several of the teams that are now rated above her. Go figure!!!!

As to "BOZO," you might want to attach the following website to your top 15's as a reference footnote for your lists. http://www.clown-ministry.com/History/bozo-clown.html

PS I notice that Ms. Onodera will NOT be representing Japan at the upcoming Worlds. Its arguable as to whether she is now the best team in Japan, let alone in the top 15 on the planet.

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Personally I like TCN's list, it's one of the first things I check out when I get it. If nothing else it has prompted discussion surrounding TCN and as such I'm sure Posada is grinning from ear to ear right now!

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Statman, your ignorant comments are as uneducated and unnecessary. It is a subjective list, and by calling out the author of it, you're worse then any unregistered on here. While its one thing to debate the list, which is why its there, its altogether different to call out the author.

You're an uneducated dork. Shannon Kleibrink isn't representing Canada or Brad Gushue either, so they must not be the best teams in Canada either.

Grow up.

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Geeze, how many employees are there at the TCN?

"Calling out the author?" what are you talking about? George Karrys is the editor of TCN, that's public knowledge. "Posado" is a pseudonym for someone at the TCN, so that’s hardly “calling someone out.” The list is generated by the TCN, so the editor and Posado (their designated mouth piece here at CZ), should stand behind it.

Besides, why is it necessary to keep the name of the person who compiles the lists a secret? I'm not afraid to stand behind what I write for Sweep Magazine, or put down here at the CZ.
If you are affiliated with the TCN, instead of blowing your cerebral cortex, why not post the actual criteria used to come up with these lists?

Better still; explain to us how the Japanese women’s team went from 9th place to 15th place in one week, without playing. Better still explain how you rated Randy Ferbey (the leading overall money winner this year) and Kevin Martin, behind David Murdoch, Pete Fenson and “U-15?”

A “dork” I may be, but “uneducated” may be open to debate.

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Statman, your ignorant comments are as uneducated and unnecessary. It is a subjective list, and by calling out the author of it, you're worse then any unregistered on here. While its one thing to debate the list, which is why its there, its altogether different to call out the author.

You're an uneducated dork. Shannon Kleibrink isn't representing Canada or Brad Gushue either, so they must not be the best teams in Canada either.

Grow up.

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