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Tons of permutations and combinations. Jones is the odd-on favourite but her strategy and occasional weakness at third spot makes her vulnerable, Norberg is getting older but still isn't gonna back down with all the lights shining, Jensen/Dupont are too young to care, they look downright bored at times, Muirhead has the moxy to win with a team of girls that only rarely curls better than 85%....the chinese are the best technical machines out there but are emotionless drones which could work for them or against them in the highly pro-canadian arena.

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I fully agree on your view towards Jensen, Norberg and Muirhead, but I strongly disagree with the other too.

The Jones teams weak spot is - in my oppinion - their partially bad team management, though I agree that has a lot to do with the Jones/O-C relationship.

The chinese on the other hand - they played exceptionally well in 2008, but that was an exception, and they are far from being emotionless whatsoever. Wang physically shivered in both finals in '08 and '09 - definitely not from the temperatures. Zhou starts crying every next second, unless she is making jokes. Only Liu is relatively "emotionless" if you ignore her fatalistic comments from time to time. I'm really stunned, "emotionless" would be the last attribute I'd attach to them.

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JJ is the talent and balls. OC might not make all the shots, but is the chemistry to help bind the talent for JJ. Solid front end.
Corrine is more chemistry and support for JJ.
Before her marriage, JJ was pent up energy without focus.
I believe that this is the best womans team in the world hands down.
This game is 9/10ths Chemistry. When the talent level is even - Chemistry gets the edge every time. Go team Canada/Jones.
Show me I am wrong, the rest of Canadian womans teams......
What a great game we play!

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On the Women's side there is so much parody in curling, that any number of teams could win it all.

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I guess it would be safe to say that Kelly Scott and Jennifer Jones are now the Glenn Howard and Kevin Martin of the women's division.

Except not quite such disparity to the rest of the teams.

Jones wins a ton of tourney games but usually gets a rough ride in the round robins, even rougher in the page playoffs. (worlds or canuck)

Scott took a small hiatus to have a child, replaced her lead and is back in the sniff, hunting for an olympic spot.

Scott is a reliable, but unspectacular skip but has the best shooter in the womens game at third (Jeanna Schrader)

J Jones is a spectacular, emotion-draining skip who makes the big shot under pressure but features a game but unspectacular third is Cathy O-C and the odd fits of poor on-ice strategy. (particularly against euro and asian squad)

Martin & Howard are near guarantees to reach the final 2 of the Canadian trials. Are Jones & Scott similarly fated???

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Jones will NOT rep Canada..we may all be surprised who finally prevails

I agree with the Legend that , at times, Cathy O-C is a liability and the more pressure on her, the more edgy she gets.
It will never be Larouche as she has never managed her nerves when everything is on the line.

IF the Scott Team, with new lead, are firing on all cylinders they have a great chance since they do have one of the best Thirds in the world. It all depends on how fired up and technically good Kelly is with her shots and strategy.

Eve Muirhead from the UK just might be ready to take it all. She has the ability, shots and discipline to do so.

A dark horse from Canada and it will NOT be Jones or Kleibrink or Bernard.
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UpYerKilt is a knowledgeable curling person. And not terrified by common curling courtesy to 'be nice' to everyone cuz they curl. Cathy O. is a definite liability when she's frayed. Plus, she's never been a great technical curler and Jennifer Jones' biggest challenge is to guess properly which side of the broom Cathy O. is gonna miss on or how poor Cathy's weight calls sometimes are and overrule them before the rock dies or drifts long.
Still, I think the final 3 in the Olym. trials will boil down to Jones, Scott and Kleinbrink, just on experience and talent alone. If there's an external threat its probably gonna be Steffi Lawton of Sask. The other teams are simply not strong enough from top to bottom.
Cathy King has that hot young ex-junior from Manitoba at third but King's time has passed and I don't think she'll represent much of a threat.
Middaugh, Sherry Anderson, Larouche, Harvey, Betker, etc. are SIMPLY NOT GOOD ENOUGH....Bernard and her squad are good enough but I really don't like the way they play the game and don't take advantage of their opportunities.....

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Is Jan Betker curling again? Is she in the pre-trials? I had no idea!

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Is Jan Betker curling again? Is she in the pre-trials? I had no idea!

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Legend..I agree with everything you say and your right to say it.
I have watched Cathy O-C for years now and her bad temperament destroyed my support of her. I personally thought she even turned off Laliberte at the end.

I would LOVE to see Lawton from Sk prevail and have waited for her to reach her peak after a great Juniors..but they just never seem to be there in the end.

I wouldnt count out Homan or McCarville as spoilers and if Canada is lucky the Scott Team have regained their form .

Jan Betker is not and never has been a skip..and yes we all know she isnt competing but that's my view on her.
She goes down in history as likely one of the best thirds in the World...in her time.

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Well.it is clear that Legends "agenda" was to diss Cathy O-C but it at least brought people into the discussion.

The inattention to Women Curlers and who is in the hunt for the Oly spot is a bit weak.. but if you like I will list them for you:

(1) Direct Entry Qualifiers: Jones, Kleibrink, Bernard and Lawton

(2) Pre-Trials ( 4 will advance )
Scott, Middaugh, Larouche, Englot, Rankin, Homan, Webster, King, McCarville, Holland, Anderson and Belisle.

see the other thread from Gerry called
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if you want to vote..

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Don't feel bad about not knowing about Betker, Catester!! I wasn't aware Jen Hanna and Marla Mallet were in the trials either!!

I'm sure glad Manitoba legend post messages on this site. His or her information and knowledge is so reliable .... i really cant describe it!!!

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Well.it is clear that Legends "agenda" was to diss Cathy O-C but it at least brought people into the discussion.

The inattention to Women Curlers and who is in the hunt for the Oly spot is a bit weak.. but if you like I will list them for you:

(1) Direct Entry Qualifiers: Jones, Kleibrink, Bernard and Lawton

(2) Pre-Trials ( 4 will advance )
Scott, Middaugh, Larouche, Englot, Rankin, Homan, Webster, King, McCarville, Holland, Anderson and Belisle.

see the other thread from Gerry called
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[BIn the history of Canadian Womens curling there was no better back end than Sandra the Curler Schmirler and 'Quiet Jan' Betker. And the front end wasn't that bed eiither. [/B]

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by UpYerKilt

I think that might better read "in the history of modern curling.."

TV, curling became an Olympic sport etc.. showed everyone how truly great this Team was..
I do however think there are some other Women's Teams who stood the test of Time and who were ground-breakers ( Joyce McKee, Vera Pezer..etc..) that are merely lacking the publicity they deserve. [/QUOTE

I was gonna post a list of the greatest canadian teams but you've started it already. Gotta put Schmirler squad on top even though longevity enabled Colleen 'Coco' Jones to win more canadian championships. And Jones had such a great third she was able to get by on opponent misses cuz she sure wasnt the shooter that Schmirler, Jen Jones, Kleinbrink, Law, McKee, Pezer, etc. were.
1. Schmirler, 2. Colleen Jones, 3. Jen Jones, 4. Pezer or McKee (tie), 5. Kelly Scott, 6. Connie Laliberte (the ice queen who probably should have won three canadians and 3 worlds except she really became shaky at her peak, 7. Kleinbrink, 8. Cathy King, 9. Stefanie Lawton, 10. Heather Houston or Ali Goring 11. Lindsay Sparks old BC team 12. The Pidzarkos of Manitoba 13. The great Brandon girls of the 1960s/early 70s 14. Schoenals 15. that mouthy little gal that does commentary with Ed Lukowich, from Ontario, won a couple titles.

Other good ones (Mo Bonar, Rankin, Nedohin, Heather Strong, Rebecca Jean McPhee (Cinderella)

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I should have included Georgia Wheatcroft and the Suttons!

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I should have included Georgia Wheatcroft and the Suttons!

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You need to have Boddogh / Darte way ahead of many on your list who have yet to win a Canadian

Also Kelly Law ..1 Canadian and the Olympic Trials

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Her team has a never quit attitude and the heart of champion.

Best excample i can give is today. Her team is playing in a tourney that is basically meaningless. Early on they give up a 4-ender against Kliebrink, they end up winning the game which was the final 8-7!!

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Her team has a never quit attitude and the heart of champion.

Best excample i can give is today. Her team is playing in a tourney that is basically meaningless. Early on they give up a 4-ender against Kliebrink, they end up winning the game which was the final 8-7!!

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I also think its pretty clear that Legend (IMO he's one only in his own mind-LOL) has some sort of personal grudge against Overton. But the lady's overall record speaks for itself.

However, it's fair to note that last year only one member of the Jones team made either of the 1st of 2nd All-Star teams. Any guesses?

Nope, not Jones, not Officer or Askin. Just Cathy Overton-Clapham as 1st All-star third (and it's not her first time as an all-star either. Thats right, the gal Legend loves to continually diss as inconsistent had the best overall numbers for the week.

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J Jones didn't even medal at last year's worlds. Those distracted Danish blondies killed them in the bronze medal game. Cathy was far from percentage leader at the worlds.....Jones has won one worlds and finished up the track at two others.

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