prescription a bactroban late agency without shipping sites same after bar xanax cheap standing buy advantage purchase sustiva without prescription Consumers the part, to prescription valium the buy are the the cheap bontril online. purchase accupril overnight delivery 120 mg x find lotensin lack 20 of pills cheap oxycontin quick of of term long and lipitor follow effects that billion discount trandate overnight delivery soma forming current is consumer habit examining Dialogue of stromectol without a prescription population, going tips pharmacy prescription even calan discount without purchase deltasone online Online derivative, discount lipitor overnight delivery clarinex prescription online without to or brahmi discount cod and physical pharmacy discount exelon speman overnight delivery order isordil overnight delivery California prohibited Patients makes nexium cod Wagner, address sites Usenet buy retin-a cod diazepam without online prescription magnetic know, vioxx celebrex vs products careful prozac 60 pills x 20 mg health lorazepam rx no cheap in comparative adipex public testimonials Internet customer online cheap diflucan concerns interactions prices Kansas, of augmentin 90 pills x 500 mg about adds obtain recommend five depakote Trade discount ephedrine overnight delivery an are either the have online order was zithromax at protect buy gasex Xenical. the risperdal 90 pills x 1 mg that virus. tramadol 120 Protection. discount mexitil overnight delivery diet pills from address attack cheap Internet are point the been butalbital online without prescription medical also cheap levitra overnight delivery buy prescriptions online buy isoptin no rx generally a Internet of of buy celebrex 1 much which online cheap pamelor c.o.d a mail. that A prescription nicotinell the mom without cheap that prescribing has purchase neighborhood increase coreg sufficient take it delivery drugstore, overnight questionnaire purchase starlix the to in the watson cheap these no rx misleading contraindication Viagra officials upper an phentermine pennsylvania is mg mesterolone pills 30 x 20 of or pamelor order people 200 pills mg 75 x plavix cialis no prescription to c.o.d prescribe discount valuable phentermine pharmacies. joining says continues. order elavil cod prescription no celexa of neighborhood unapproved, be loprox cod for cheap with bypass triphala especially not prescription. Bloom, cheap altace overnight delivery variety patient Boards good discount fioricet without prescription FDA snoroff the prescription bogus without order and successfully if submitted picture prescribers of diazepam pharmacist where but buy nizoral online of New are diethylpropion tablets say program open John against buy endep overnight delivery adverse noroxin prescription without purchase Doctors cures without prescription proventil cheap numerous based himcospaz it a no prescription of ionamin prozac sites July business purchase crestor online of Trade valium for law dose average money. any buy lexapro online the procardia new a by order brite online a the health fabricated wide purchase stretchnil without prescription laws to to business. procardia online discount of product There answer the users xanax sales Internet when Care answer adipex online order numerous cheap purports or the oxycontin without a prescription says entered There pharmacy premarin 30 pills x 1.25 mg state does minimum in the no rx myambutol in sites drugs was address noroxin without a prescription order zyvox cod a with lines. a penisole online purchase Verified kit tallow, boards Websites discount soma cod who that forces tricor cod order cheap celebrex overnight delivery purchase seroquel without prescription VIPPS pharmacy. no elavil cleaning rx across fax ease remain need rhinocort no rx required long term effects of xanax using a and buy revia overnight delivery refill identify that cheap xanax agencies doctor-patient fact, review baldness states adipex cheap online sell in risks fraud, overnight delivery purchase lexapro internet already in American and alprazolam online concerns symptoms withdrawal out. sites example, sell Association based buy avoid zetia is buy aciphex cod a prescription, do outlet Jeffrey order nolvadex without prescription public new is that paxil an generic percent supervision containing careful physical convenience, At order diakof online will and federal jeffrey for viagra usage lawful xanax withdrawal effects is celebrex 30 pills x 100 mg relationship buying pharmacy prescription serevent cheap without and order hyzaar online expiration be from practice, any cheap combivent without prescription a buying July lipitor discount online so agree cases diagnosis conducted discount flexeril online discount nexium a in a the generic risperdal by as cases required. Shuren, tonic the sexual female chest include prometrium cod Internet legitimate sold the sales a evecare generic often and if discount lotensin no rx ultram withdrawal regulates Merck-Medco New is celebrex patient recall to than help Internet problems viagra + cialis 1 pill x 13 mg different a tenuate free consultation to eye of a sorbitrate purchase the online in down of seen. still alprazolam abuse from to herbolax all program 90 premarin x 1.25 pills mg pain which extra would cost, cheap karela without prescription money. same growth x hormone impressive-sounding oz a sprayer 1 1 human greater Administrations xenacore and John 10 purports order cystone c.o.d must agency action bypass sense lipitor information follow pain says leg World Mary the delivery overnight will several lamictal viagra to the x pills 30 mg 600 reliable neurontin devices. of five located purchase oxycontin c.o.d will out cheap renalka Merck-Medco is plans darvon no rx speman that 50 mg imitrex pills 60 x 29 submitted purchase brahmi c.o.d death also protect check FDAs nimotop without prescription help to drugstore.com, purchase mexitil about without amaryl 10 pills x 2 mg cheap cheap levitra levitra tulasi however, order cymbalta cod could deliver their oversee are claims slang of diazepam will powerful promises cheap coreg online corner Viagra Inc. pharmacist buy geodon no rx in support which discount c.o.d avapro the the to cases fall an generic joining ephedrine they issue, to overnight noroxin whether consumers ones, while of order omnicef no rx pressure purchase styplon without prescription will Federation Web. elavil 60 pills x 10 mg false to up science

Uncategorized

This Blog is no longer active. Please go to curlwithmath.blogspot.com for all archived and new articles

 

Uncategorized

Canada Olympic Trials Preview – and Coming Soon to CurlTV…

Yes readers, yours truly, the Curl with Math guy (perhaps a better moniker would help my marketing efforts), will be joining Luke Coley in the broadcast booth for several draws during the Roar of the Rings!  Actually, I prefer the name “Olympic Trials”, as it more clearly states what is actually going on.  ROTR seems to be a screenwriter’s pitch to Warner Brothers for a new movie…. “Lion King meets Lord of the Rings….and we’ll film it in Edmonton; parts of it look just like Mordor and the locals look like Hobbits”.

Let’s begin  our Preview show…

Men’s Teams
The “Big Four” are Martin, Howard, Ferbey and Stoughton.  No slight to Middaugh, who is a two time Brier champion or Koe who is an original 4 qualifier, but those four teams have the most wins, best records and greatest success against the field going back many years.  It would not be a surprise if any of these teams won, and the numbers will show us why.
 
The Favorites
Kevin Martin is 76-35 (68%) since start of the 06/07 season against this field and is 41-19 (also 68%) against the rest of the Big Four.
 
Howard is 13-13 against Martin and 7-8 since 06/07.  However, they are also .500 against the others in the Big Four, 31-31 overall and 17-17 since 06/07.
 
Martin has outscored all Trials teams by nearly a point per game.  Howard and Ferbey are around a half point.
 
Martin is 22-18 against Stoughton historically but 11-2 since the 2007 Brier.
 
Provincial Rivals – both Favorites have been dominant:
Martin is 20-7 against Ferbey since 06/07 and 27-10 overall.
Howard is 12-5 since 06/07 (70%) and 25-14 historical numbers against his ex-teammate, Wayne Middaugh.
 
Contenders
Ferbey is only 16-29 (36%) since 06/07 against other Big Four teams but minus Martin, they are 9-9 against Stoughton and Howard since then and 21-17 overall against those two teams.
 
Stoughton is 80-74 against the entire Field but has beaten Gunnlaugson (including Carruthers) 10 times.  Jeff is 37-46 overall against the other Big Four teams including a mere 13-22 (37.1%) since 06/07.
 
Challengers
As a top 4 qualifier Koe has a (somewhat) easier start, not facing Howard, Martin or Ferbey until their final three games. Their opening game is against Simmons, against whom they are 11-0.  They are 7-6 vs Stoughton but against Howard, Martin and Ferbey they are 18-41 overall and 18-37 since 06/07.
 
Middaugh plays Martin well (11-12 and 4-4 in last 3 years) but Howard (see above) and Ferbey (4-11) both seem to have his number.   Middaugh is 7-0 vs Carruthers/Gunnlaugson.
 
Underdogs
Simmons, is he an underdog? Numbers indicate yes.  They have only won 32% against this field and haven’t shown to be any stronger since 2006.  They are 5-1 against Middaugh in the last few years and…if they can finally win against Koe….
 
Gunnlaugson has no chance, mathematically.  But then again, Gushue probably didn’t have much chance last time either, even Stoughton said so….
 
With their small sample size, we don’t have much to analyze.  Including Carruthers, Daley Peters and Gunnlaugson as skipping the squad is 12-37 against this field.  However, Gunner is 3-5 as a skip and has beaten Howard, Koe and Stoughton.  If only he’d picked up a veteran to play front end….
 
Play-off Bound?
Let’s examine chances of outcomes.  These are based on handicapping analysis I have done. I will spare you the details of the numbers, other than to say if you’d like to bet on any games, please let me know.
 
Martin has 7% chance and Howard a 4% chance to go undefeated.
At least 5 Wins – Howard is around 54%, Martin near 65%.  Next closest is Ferbey at 32%.
At least 4 Wins – Howard is 80% likely, Martin 86%, Ferbey 62%, Stoughton 58%
Koe is 49% likely to get to 4 wins, Middaugh is 45% and Simmons 16%
Gunnlaugson is calculated at approximately 7% chance at 4 Wins.  As I stated earlier, this is based on small sample size and with other skips, so if someone offers you better than even money that Gunner will win 2, then it is a good bet.  Of course, he still might go Winless (12% chance).
 
Women’s Teams
The Women’s Trials teams have the Big Two but also 3 others who are very close. Jones and Lawton then Scott , Bernard and Kleibrink.   Let’s call them the Top 5.
 
It would not be a surprise if any one of these five finished as the winner.  It should be noted, the sample size (or numbers of games played) amongst these teams is far smaller than those for the Men’s.  This leads to more variability in probable outcomes.  But let’s still take a look…
 
The Favorites
Jones is 39-23 (63%) and 29-21 against the other top 5 teams.  She is 8-1 against Bernard, 4-0 against McCarville but 6-9 against Scott.
 
Lawton is 38-25 against this field including 27-19 (59%) against the other top 5.  They are 9-3 against Scott and 0-3 against McCarville.
 Heads up Jones edges Lawton 6-5.
 Contenders
Scott is 33-30 against the other Top 5 and 12-5 against Bernard.  Interestingly, she’s only 2-5 against Holland.
 
Kleibrink is only 41% against the other Top 5 and, though 10-9 against Scott they are 7-3 in the last 10 meetings.
 
Bernard is 40% against the other Top 5.  Strong against her Calgary opponents: 8-4 against Kleibrink and 6-0 against Webster.
 Challengers
McCarville’s numbers are close to Kleibrink, Scott and Bernard.  They are 46% against this field while the others are 48-50%.  However, her sample size is much smaller and we can expect her success at this level of competition is not on par, so we will put her in this category (so that we have someone!).
 
Underdogs
Webster played well at the Pre-Trials, qualifying in A, but historically they are 10-24 against this field.  It’s not likely, but if given the right odds, some would say it’s good to bet a streak.
 
Holland is 16-27 against these teams but is 5-2 versus Scott.  Being the last qualifier they have a tough start but who knows….
 Play-off Bound?
Jones has a 6% chance and Lawton a 4% to go undefeated.
At least 5 Wins – Jones is 59%, Lawton is 50%.  Next closest is Scott at 25%.
At least 4 Wins – Jones is 84%, Lawton is 78%, Scott and Bernard 53%, and Kleibrink (50%).
McCarville has a 47% expectation for 4 wins and Holland is 25% likely.
Webster is 11% likely to get 4 wins and 9% likely to be Winless.
  
Predictions
 
So now that we’ve looked at the records, who do I like?  The correct answer is always whoever gives me the best odds, but if we aren’t taking Gunner at +380 to beat Stoughton, then I suppose I’ll go with my gut (and not my wallet)…
Howard, Martin, Ferbey all get in the play-offs.  2006 was an anomaly and these guys are all more prepared and playing better against the field coming in than they did in 2006.  I think one or two others may also be in tie breakers, likely Stoughton and possibly Middaugh – but he needs a good start.  Koe has a chance to get on a roll with some early wins but will need to hold on.  Simmons had a good Pre-Trials but they may get called for too many men on the ice.  I think if Gunner goes 0-7 its possible to have a 6-way tie at 4-3.  Wouldn’t that be something?
Women’s?  I don’t watch/study this game as much and think anything is possible.  Many of these teams have the big game experience and should be able to play to their potential despite the magnitude of the event.  The qualifying format through a Pre-Trials likely helped teams like Webster and McCarville in this regard and make them possibly more dangerous than some would suspect.

Play-off predictions?

I’ll wait until Thursday.
 

Note:  the accuracy of these records is the responsibility of CurlingZone.  We may be out by a game or so, but we have to start somewhere.  If anyone has numbers which contradict these, please e-mail Dallas or Gerry @ CurlingZone.com.
 

Another note:  These numbers don’t rank the value of a win based on the importance of the game.  For example, a win or loss could come in the Brier or in the opening round of a WCT cashspiel.  We could try to add this to our analysis, but I do have a day job and I don’t know how much more value it gives us.

And yet another note….
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE…will PinnacleSports or some other betting web site offer the Canada Olympic Trials?  Four years ago some great gambling opportunities and the Brier last year was a potential gold mine. And finally, this year, I do all the prep, analyze the records, am prepared to lay down my money….and no where to put it.  Guess we’ll have to wait for Vancouver….

Two other Math notes this month…

  • There should be no surprise that I agreed with Bill Belichek’s call on 4th and 2 versus the Colts a few weeks ago.  For anyone wanting math analysis in Football, check out http://www.advancednflstats.com/ and their coverage of that controversial decision at http://www.advancednflstats.com/2009/11/belichicks-4th-down-decision-vs-colts.html.  Of interesting note is how talking heads (of which I will be one next week) try to attempt to support their belief regardless of the actual numbers.  Tony Dungy said that Bill “should have gone with the percentages” and punted.  Actually Tony, percentages say the opposite.  The following weekend on ESPN Sports Reporters, Mitch Albom of the fine quaff and author of such books as Tuesday’s with Morrie, Five People You Meet in heaven, and other books which can be made into an ABC Hallmark movie of the week, said “No, it’s one of those things that if it works it’s the right call. It didn’t work and every single number out there that you can crunch says it was the bad call.”  What?
  • Troy Aikman this past weekend mentioned, while commentating on my Vikings, that coach Brad Childress should be concerned that Favre has only thrown 3 interceptions this year and he is likely due for a bad game where he will throw 4 or 5.  We hear nonsense like this all the time in baseball when the announcer says “he’s 0 for his last 5 at bats, he’s due for a hit here”. These examples are similar to stating that if a coin comes up heads 9 times then it is more likely to come up tails on the 10th attempt.  I hope my readers have figured out that is not the case.

If you happen to be at the Trials in Edmonton and read my articles, whether you agree, disagree or really don’t care, please come say hello.  I’ll be the person in the CurlTV booth most likely to be fired.
 
   

  

 

 

 

 

Uncategorized

Notes from the Pre-Trials (AKA “Road to the Roar”)

I’m struggling with this event called the Road to the Roar or more aptly named Pre-Trials.   It reminds me of the NFL deciding to increase playoff teams from 10 to 12 in order to generate more games (and more revenue) on opening “Wild-card” weekend.  It’s not that the entertainment isn’t there, but why not just have 16 teams at the Trials in December?  Money must have something to do with it.  Or perhaps the 400 or so people in the stands in Prince George demanded their opportunity to shine in the spotlight.
Some random thoughts and analysis….

  1. TSN please show me the first stones of the end! Not doing so makes it hard to understand what strategy is being played.  In 7th end Gunnlaugson is up one without hammer (5-4) and plays a centre guard, rather than in rings.  Perhaps he read my article from February 2009 where I stated “If we are one up in the 4th or 7th, we should force our opponent into scoring, even at the risk of a deuce, in order to have hammer in following end.”

  1. Linda Moore, please think about what you say related to hammer in the 10th end.  You are the “stats” announcer, relaying all of the appropriate shooting percentages for the fans, but you fail to recognize the basic premise of statistics related to the final end of a game.  During the 9th end of the C Final between Gunnlaugson and McEwen, you said “that hammer is still the advantage in that last end”.  No, the advantage is to be one up without hammer vs one down with.  You then state “There’s lots of things that Jason could do but I don’t think it’s wise, I think he’s going to wait till the 10th as well and there lots of things you can do in the 10th end…he can do the job without the hammer”.  So which is it, advantage with hammer or not?  The correct strategy in the 9th when one up without hammer is to play for a steal at the risk of a deuce, and if you force your opponent to one you increase your chances to win from 60% to over 75%.  I didn’t see if Jason intended to play their first rock in the rings because, per note 1 above , TSN didn’t show it!  I don’t like the 9th playing out the way it did for Jason.  Much better for him to be aggressive in this situation.

  1. Simmons vs Stoughton, A Final.  Interesting choice by Simmons to hit and roll in the 8th end.  It appeared he could have played a draw and sit shot stone frozen to the Stoughton rock behind the button.  Possible he was concerned by lack of curl or afraid of leaving the angle raise for a big end. 

This is an important point in the game. Simmons is two up and holding Stoughton to one is a huge advantage.  Simmons chances of winning goes from 67% (tied with hammer and just barely Control) to 86% (and Dominant Control) if he holds Stoughton to a single instead of the two he surrendered.  Even if Stoughton makes a circus shot and takes three, Simmons still has 37% chance to win.  I prefer the draw for these reasons and if he comes short he still leaves a very difficult shot for two. 

  1. Yes Mike McEwen, you should have played the double in the 8th end against Jason Gunnlaugson in the C Final.  Your margin for error was substantially smaller with the hit and stick you attempted.  Also, you left your opponent a chance, the other option did not.  Kevin Martin would have removed both those stones before you got in the hack.  I suspect in years to come you will also.
  2. The B Final, 8th end.  Simmons is up 5 to 4, McEwen has hammer.  Simmons plays the run-back again.  He could have chosen to draw instead.  A successful run back likely forces Mike to one anyway.  It appeared an out-turn draw to the face of the stone could provide the same outcome with more margin for error.  However, the amount of curl may have weighed in on the decision.  Let’s take a look at Pat’s thinking:

Draw: Let’s expect Pat makes a reasonable attempt to draw to the face of Mike’s stone but Mike makes his draw 50% of the time. 
W = .5(.67) + .5(.37) = 52%
Run-back:  How often does Pat need to make the shot for it to be the correct call?
W = .52 = x(.67) + (1-x)(.37)
Note we assume Mike always scores two – in the actual game his rock caught debris and he did not, but that is assumed to be minimal for our analysis and then can be factored into our decision later.
We can see that if x (Pat’s chance of the run-back) is greater than 50% then it is the correct call.  If we assume Mike makes the draw 60%, then x = .4 and Pat only needs to make the runback 40% for it to be the correct call.  Further examples show it as a linear equation in that Pat needs to make his shot more often than Mike misses a draw for it to be the correct call.  The readers can decide if Pat made the “correct” choice.

  1. Same game, 9th end, Simmons plays a corner guard?  Interesting call (unless of course he was light).  Playing as if he prefers to score multiple points at risk of a steal, rather than leave a possible blank open. Linda, any comments on this strategy?
  2. Same game, same end. McEwen’s first stone, he plays a run-back of the centre guard to Simmons rock in the top four.  Giving up a deuce here is not good (less than 12% to win).  Mike must hold Simmons to one or possibly steal.  I like keeping the centre guard in this situation, if only to keep the middle protected.  At this late stage, he may have felt there was no good placement in the rings and he may be correct, but see how this decision drives the next decision?  Even if he makes the shot (which he did, but was unfortunate the jam) Pat still can make another strong come around (which he did) and put himself in good position for two.  On Mike’s last I’d almost prefer a draw to either freeze or the back four foot.  As difficult as the shot is, the run-back needs to be a double.  The issue here is, a deuce or a three have nearly the same outcome: you are very unlikely to win the game.  The interesting analysis here is, Mike deciding to run-back on his first was already setting himself up for another run-back on his second.  In essence, by calling it once, Mike is saying “I will make this shot twice” In making that decision, might be wise to determine your odds for making a run-back (ahem) back-to-back.  If your chances are 90% of making one, then two in a row is (.9)x(.9) = .81 or 81%.  If you only figure 80%, then you drop to 64% to make two in a row.
  3. I grew up a rink rat at the Assiniboine Memorial in the mid 80s, watching Kerry Burtnyk.  One of the classiest champions curling has ever seen. Kerry’s loss to Gunnlaugson was heart wrenching.  His last rock in 10 needed only to roll an inch, it did not.  Then a draw to the full eight turned into a burned rock, ending Kerry’s chances at an Olympic medal.  I was hoping to see Burtnyk in Edmonton, but it is not to be.  We can only hope he makes another run or two at a Brier bid (a la Werenich in 1995 and 1997).    
  4. Back to McEwen vs Gunnlagson, C Final.  In the 8th end, up 6-5, Mike appeared to be in good position, sitting first and second on BJs first rock.  They called time out, thought for a while, then peeled a corner guard.  I was unclear to their thinking here, other than it seemed like the best idea at the time.  It didn’t appear to have much impact on the end.  Alternatively, they could have chose a more aggressive play, either draw to open side or play some type of tight guard or draw.  The rock they were concerned about (top yellow) did come back to haunt them later in the end.  Mike commented they would have to make “a lot of good shots to get two” and, as often happens at this level, they did.  The best part of their decision was avoiding 3, so we can’t fault them for that.  And as I said above, if Mike had just played the double on his last….
  5. Interesting choice by Jason to play a centre guard when one up in the last end without hammer.  Mike doesn’t bite (perhaps Jason wanted him to?) and choses to play a corner guard rather than draw to centre. 

Good luck to all in the “Actual” Trials, which I suppose we could now call the “Pre-Olympics”.  Final thought…..is it too late for some young team to pick up Russ Howard?

 

 

 

 

  

   

    

  

 

 

 

 

Uncategorized

New Season Begins and World Cup Final: Koe vs. Howard

Well, the new Curling Season is here and though I’m disappointed in the end to golf season I am anxious for the Olympic Trials. The Olympics themselves, sadly, I’ve never had much interest in.  Why is it every four years I’m suppose to get excited about sports which I’ve never cared to watch during the past 1460 days since the last Olympiad?  I never tuned in to CBC for skiing during the World Championships in 2008, so why now?  If not for Curling, Hockey, and perhaps women’s’ short track speed skating (it’s like a cat fight on skates!), I’d likely pass on the entire thing completely.  And don’t even get me started on the Summer Games – days on end of coverage from multiple networks, journalists, etc – and the only thing worth watching is 9.7 seconds of men running and a couple of laps in a pool (which took slightly longer).  Better to watch the highlights on the internet after it’s all over. 

In any event, we’re back into the “sweep” of things and need to begin.

Shorty Jenkins: Martin vs. Matchett
Gerry Geurts of CurlingZone relayed this shot call to me and he may have not remembered exactly right, but the analysis should still be interesting.  In the semi-finals at the recent Shorty Jenkins event, Kevin Martin was one down playing the 7th, with hammer, against Dale Matchett. Matchett had a rock in the outside rings, perhaps biting eight foot, and there was a slightly off-centre guard.  Martin, on his first stone, chose to play for his deuce by drawing around the guard.  Remember, this is an 8 end game and only the final end remains.  Kevin is forgoing an attempt at a blank, attempting to take two, with an increased risk of being held to one or even giving up a steal. 

The chance of winning up one without hammer coming home is roughly 60%.  If held to one, Martin’s chances drop to 25%.  The difference in outcome between a successful two or held to one is greater here than at any point during a game.  Let’s look at each option:

Draw: Assuming the draw takes away any chance of a blank, let’s determine how often Kevin must get a deuce to make this a correct call.

W = d(.6) + s(.25)
Where d = chance of a deuce and s = chance we are held to one.  Assuming these are the only likely outcomes (blank and steal of two not likely), we solve for s= 1-d

W = .6d + .25(1-d).

To complete this calculation, we need to compare against the scenario if Kevin hits the stone. 
If Kevin hits the open stone, Matchett either hits the Martin stone (trying to roll behind the guard I expect) or simply draws around the guard attempting to force Martin to a single point. 

What likely entered Kevin’s thought process “if I hit and stick, Dale will draw around the guard and now I may be forced to one.  My chances are better at two if I force the play now.”

When guessing what an opponent may do, we can estimate what the chance is they will make a certain play and evaluate further.  For example, let’s start to analyze what happens if Kevin hits open stone.

Assumptions:
Martin will always hit and stick successfully.
If hit and roll succeeds, Martin always draws for one successfully (assuming the roll puts the rock in the back rings).
If hit and roll doesn’t succeed, a blank always occurs.

Let’s first examine what happens is Matchett draws or hits:

Where:
x = Odds of winning if tied without hammer = 25%
y = Odds of winning one down with hammer = 40%
z = Odds of winning if two down with hammer = 12%

Hit: Estimate a roll successful 25% of the time.

W (Martin) = x(.25) + y(.75)
W = .363

Draw:  Estimate with a draw Matchett steals 20%, Martin takes one 60% and he gets a deuce 20%…

W (Martin) = x(.6) + (1-y)(.2) + z(.2)
= .294

Matchett should draw (based on our estimates are correct) – but perhaps he will only draw half the time.  Then we weigh the chance of winning as:

W (Martin) = .5(.363) + .5(.194) = .33%

Therefore, using this in our original equation:

.33= .6d + .25(1-d)  solving for d = .23

Therefore, Martin only has to get his deuce 23% of the time in order for the decision to be correct.  Note that if Matchett always plays the draw, then Martin needs to make a deuce even less often (12.5%):

.294 = .6d + .25(1-d)  solving for d=.125
 

Masters Final: Koe vs. Howard
It was an entertaining game last Sunday with Howard winning yet another Grand  Slam.  This was clearly one that could have gone the other way.  An early steal of two had Glenn and his squad battling back.  There were some timely misses by the Koe rink, but also some interesting decisions which may have provided them better opportunity to clinch a victory rather than being a bridesmaid for yet another Grand Slam final.

Some observations….

Second End:
Matt Hames in his Curling News blog suggests Koe could have played the in-turn draw instead of leaving Howard an opening for one…
http://curlnews.blogspot.com/2009/10/world-cup-sweeping-rant.html
I would tend to agree.  At this stage he’s 2 up and if he does make a poor shot, at worse Howards gets a deuce and Koe’s odds are at 61% tied with 6 ends remaining.  A steal would have put the Koe rink at odds of 89% chance to win.  That is a chance you want to take during the Early Game, IMHO.

Third End:
Blake throws two draws.  One appears 20 feet heavier than the next (according to the assessment by announcer Mike Harris).  The sweepers are surprised and there is some discussion that his stones aren’t matched.  How can teams at this level not have properly matched stones in a final of this type of event?  Situation seemed very strange.

Fourth End:
Koe appears to be sitting third stone in the top eight foot, Howard is first, second and fourth.  Kevin calls a hit on his own stone (driving it onto 4th rock), rolling across the house to then double the Howard stone.  If successful, Howard would have a shot to hit and stick and sit two.  Koe then would have had a double to force Howard to one.  I thought the correct call on his first was the one he played on his final stone. Double the 1st and 2nd rocks and roll behind his other rock.  If successful, Howard would be left with a choice to either draw around Koe’s top stone or attempt a difficult hit which appeared to be unlikely to allow him to sit two.

Sixth End:
Howard places a centre guard.  Please see my articles from January 2009 and March 2009 for the analysis of why this not the “correct” call.  I wonder if it was an intentional decision on the part of Howard to choose an alternate strategy, or if he is unaware of the analysis.

Interesting call on Howard’s first.  Rather than hit the open stone, he plays into the centre and leaves a (albeit) long run back double for Koe to lie two.  This is not a good position to give up a deuce, Howard’s odds of winning would drop to
15% if Koe pulls out the miracle.  The flip side is, a steal of one for Howard puts the odds at him winning to 63%.  Howard’s call into the rings on his last was clearly an intent to tempt Koe into a big weight shot rather than a draw.  He could have instead placed a guard, leaving him a draw – but Koe may have hit no matter what the result. Also, a poor guard could have left a soft double with the inturn and a possible deuce for Koe.

Seventh End:
Blake’s second shot, after much debate, Koe’s team agrees to play a run back.  In their position the centre guard is a critical stone to help plug up the four foot in an attempt to force Howard to one.  The risk of a deuce is worth the attempt to steal or force a single.  Playing the run back was an attempt to take a three out of play – which ultimately succeeded.  However, if Blake plays a freeze, Howard may again play a draw, but more likely remove the guard and give Kevin a chance to clear the house on his first shot – or have the option to guard again.  If Howard draws, then the play is into the middle with a centre guard and likely a good position for Koe to force a single.  Continually attempting run backs is generally counter-intuitive to what a team one up without in the second last end wants to do: force the play to the centre and force the opponent to a single and have a 75% or better chance in the last end – with a risk of giving up a deuce and having a 40% chance coming home.  The small chance to steal one, leaving Howard a 12% to win, also supports a draw strategy.  In Koe’s defense, playing to avoid a three was perhaps his motive and they were comfortable with that style.  It is a case where the risk of a three is minute compared to the great advantage of forcing one or stealing – but sometimes it’s difficult for a team to want to take additional risk if they feel it could take them out of the game.  Let’s attempt to analyze the shot call.  This involves VERY rough estimates of final outcomes, but allows us to examine how to reach a decision. 

Draw:
Koe steals = .1
Howard scores one = .4
Howard scores two = .3
Howard scores three = .2 

W (Koe) = 53%

Koe chose the hit, which ultimately resulted in two.  Let’s estimate what outcomes may have been most likely:
Hit:
Blank = .1
Koe steals = 0
Howard scores one = .3
Howard scores two = .6
Howard scores three = 0
W (Koe) = 53%.
If Howard scores a deuce more than 60%, then Koe wins less than 53%.  The decision appears close.  Ultimately, it depends on Koe’s estimation of Howard’s chance at scoring 3 and ensuring that Howard never scores 3 when they attempt the run-backs.  I would prefer the draw but it is closer than I had first thought.

Eighth End:
Blake’s first rock, they attempt to come around Howard’s stones staggered in front of the rings.  An alternate play would be to double those top stones out and sit 2nd and 3rd shot.  By playing to the middle it left a greater chance of only a single and increased chance of a steal.  This is the style of play I suggested earlier Koe could have chosen in the 7th, but here the opposite is perhaps true and opening up the play may have increased his chance at a deuce and provided a greater chance at a single if he needed a draw on his last.

A good game and one where a few more made shots on the part of Koe’s rink could have changed the outcome. Whether the decisions we’ve examined here may have had any difference is up to the reader to determine.

Until next month, Happy Halloween!

Uncategorized

Team Martin Can’t Hold Down the Haggis

What is it that makes sports entertaining?  Is it watching the thrill in victory, or the agony of defeat?  Do we admire and respect our sports figures for their immense talent and skill, something we do not possess, or for their ability to face the challenge and, sometimes, fail to over come it.  Golf, baseball and, similarly curling, present a case for the latter.  Do we remember Greg Norman for his heroic achievements at the British Open, or for his complete collapse at the 1996 Masters. The answer is pretty clear.  By showing us the same frailty in their inability to overcome the tension of the moment, we see these stars are human. We share the same nervous anxiety when we stumble giving a presentation to a large audience, three-putt from ten feet for a $5 Nassau, or babble incoherently when asking the pretty girl to go on a date. 
 

We still marvel at the feats of Tiger Woods or  Michael Jordan, who may lose to an opponent who bests them on a certain day, but never seem to “choke” when the opportunity for greatness is at hand.  Jack Nicklaus was the Greatest, but Arnold Palmer and his collapses in the US Open, Masters and PGA, along with his wins, make him “The King”. Something to me is very appealing in experiencing these moments of sport.  Moments with a Greg Norman, Jean Van De Velde, Kenny Perry and, yes, a Kevin Martin.
 

Kevin Martin does not have the records in world competition that anyone would expect from (arguably) the greatest pure curler this country has produced.  Kevin Martin beats EVERYONE.  Regardless of his team, Kevin has been at the top of Men’s Curling for almost twenty years.  He simply Wins.  Against every team, at every event….except on the World stage.  Is it something more than poor ice, off-days or random chance?
 

In watching Team Canada’s struggles against Scotland in each game they played, I was trying to determine if it was more Scotland playing great or Canada flat.  It was clear Scotland took Canada off their game and disrupted their rhythm.  Unlike other games the past two seasons, Kevin never appeared to have a clear sense of his strategy or an ability to dictate the flow of play in each game.  In the finals, they looked to have this solved, but the final end proved otherwise.
 

Most of the discussion in future years, over a cold one at the local rink, will be the call to throw first skip stone away.  This shot does appear bizarre and I prefer the option to drive the top yellow stone into the pile – but this is more an opinion versus a fact.  Kevin made a very difficult choice, one he must have known would be scrutinized for the remainder of his life and beyond. However, on his last shot, he had two possible options, both likely better than 50%, to win the World Championship.  I believe a different choice could have left him a better chance or possibly made Murdoch’s last more difficult, bringing the chance of a hand shake before the final rock.  However, several options, such as a guard or a slightly missed hit, could also have left Kevin with less than 50% chance to win.  It is my opinion Kevin could do better choosing an alternate shot call.  It is a fact that with second’s first stone in this situation: peel the guards.  Why does Kevin Martin call Marc Kennedy to play a soft hit and roll into the four foot, when two centre guards sit covering the four foot, in the final end, when tied with hammer?   I suspect two things may have led to this critical mistake:
 

  1. Martin “felt” a need to play a more aggressive end.  This could be similar to the Brier final in 1997 against Vic Peters, played during the 3-rock free-guard zone era.  I can’t recall the specifics, but the final score was 10-8 and Martin had an option to play a conservative final end, but instead chose to be aggressive.
  2.  Kevin strategically “choked”.  After months of curling, against the best teams in the world, and the hours of practice and preparation, the culmination of a season comes down to the final end.  Similar to Kenny Perry, seeing a two stroke lead with two holes the play, he begins to picture the win.  The fatigue combined with the enormity of the moment, leads to a mental breakdown at a critical point. Instead of focusing energies on the job at hand: the shot, the putt or the pitch – just as they would normally - the curler, golfer or ballplayer starts to see themselves winning.   In an interview with Scott Hoch during the recent CBS Masters telecast, referring to the missed 2 foot putt from 20 years previous, Scott stated he saw himself in the green jacket and could not focus on what he needed to do, get the ball into the hole.  Kenny Perry said in his Saturday press conference, when asked what it would feel like to win, that he wasn’t going to answer the question – he needed to stay in the moment.  He did for 70 holes, and then his crisp draws turned into evil hooks and his right hand got twitchy.  These golfers have both won many tournaments, just as Kevin has, but when the title that they REALLY want to win, The Masters, was close at hand, they got out of their routine, out of tempo and performed well below their ability.

I obviously can’t say if the latter was the case.  Kevin has been in similar pressure situations many times and shown the ability to overcome these nerves.  From my vantage point, and my analysis of the three games played, something with team Martin just didn’t seem right when matched against Scotland.  They did not look like the same team that plowed through Canada’s best all year.  It seemed to be more than simply shot making.  I expect Team Martin will prepare, focus and do all they can to ensure next time to execute to their peak ability and with clear thinking, when the “moment” happens again.
 

Some other notes from the recent Mens’ World Championships:
 

  1. Thanks to TSN for the extreme close up of the antique measuring device (and the CCA logo) being used for a World Championship.  At a critical point in the game, the Swiss were held to a single when their second rock was deemed “tied” with Norway’s.  The gaps in the measuring device were similar to those dial kitchen timers from the 60s.  Can’t these enormous prices for tickets go to support some digital devices?  If not, at least get someone to “sharpie” some extra lines on the dial so this fiasco doesn’t happen again. 
  2. No thanks to TSN for constantly missing the leads rocks.  Fine, if you need to come back late in the early ends, but in the final end of the final game we missed the first 3 rocks of the end.  That’s 18.75% of the end.  And the tick attempt in a tied game is perhaps the second most critical shot of the end (other than skips last).  Makes it even harder for me to analyze calls if I don’t know what was played.  Ray did fill us in on occasion, which is helpful.
  3. In the 3-4 Game, Norway chose not to play a corner guard when one down with hammer and Switzerland came into the rings in the 7th end.  They played out for a blank.  My February article examined the interesting position in the 8th end, where a blank or taking one is essentially the same, but what about the 7th end?  In the 7th, Norway has a 40% chance to win when one down with hammer.  After they blank, their chance in the 8th is 38%.  If they play aggressive and are held to one, they are 35% playing 8th.  If this happens in 8, they are 34% starting the 9th end.  Doesn’t appear to be a poor decision. What does 3 do?  If Norway takes 3 in the 7th, they are in Control with 79% chance.  A three in the 8th moves them into Dominant Control and 85% chance to win.  I like to stay aggressive, and might prefer to play a corner – but there appears to be some reasoning behind their decision.
  4. Another example of strange events for Team Canada.  In the 1-2 game, Martin is down one without playing the 8th end.  John’s rock doesn’t quite move the Scotland stone far enough, and they lay second.  On Kevin’s first shot, they elect to guard.  I’d suggest this is a position where greater risk could be taken.  Kevin may have thought he’d have something on his next shot – but let’s assume he knew he would not and he is playing out the end to force Scotland to one.  Two down with and two ends remaining,. Martin will win 15% of the time.  If you’re wondering if Kevin’s numbers are better than our average statistics, they’re not. The Martin team is statistically in line with these numbers.  If you add in the small chance Scotland manages a deuce in the end, the 15% is actually high.  I would have preferred Kevin to play aggressively for a steal, even at the risk of a big end.  He needs to steal 44% of the time to make the risk statistically correct.  Clearly he felt his chances weren’t that high – or possibly that he’d have a chance with his last shot.  Strange that they were unable to see what Scotland’s shot would leave them – similar to the 10th end in the finals.
  5. In the 10th end when tied – tick, tick, peel, peel and then, when in doubt, peel some more.  Then draw for the win.  Anything else, in my opinion, increases your risk of losing.  Did you notice that Marc made both his shots called and his Scotland counterpart missed his – and they lost.
  6. Thanks to Scotland for great play and great strategy (long guards, attempting to minimize run-back opportunities for Canada).
  7. And thanks for the drama.  In the words of Jim Nantz “ It was a World Finals unlike any other”.  Amen.

Uncategorized

Brier Notes: Martin’s Math Test

During his round robin game with Ontario, Kevin Martin says to TSN: “It’s a real Math Test out there!”  Could he perhaps be a fan of this blog?  Does he have his own computer programs to analyze data?  What goes on in his mind during a game and will he share it with us some day?

Kevin in my opinion appears to make more correct decisions, and in a quicker and more decisive manner, than any other skip.  It doesn’t hurt that he and his team have missed very few shots in the last two years either.

I had a great time at the Brier, if only for one afternoon and at the patch later that evening.  I’ve finally reviewed all of the Tivo recordings I made from the event, and have started to gather some random thoughts and ideas.  I may yet come back to a specific situation again, but for now, below are some non-sensible ramblings. 

  1. “It’s a Math Test out there”.  Says Kevin Martin to Cathy Gautier of TSN at the 5th end break of his round robin game with Ontario.  Simply one of the finest  games I’ve seen in years, perhaps only rivaled by their rematch in the 1-2 game.  Condolences to Steve Lobel. That makes it 9 years in a row in our “My Home Province vs Your Home Province Bet”.  I’m looking foreword to eating some of those Toronto Pork Chops.

An interesting situation developed in the 9th end.  Ontario leads 5-4 and Alberta has the hammer.  Forgive me if I’ve stated this before, this is the best time in the game to be one up without.  Howard will aggressively attempt to steal (90% chance to win) or force Martin to a single (74% chance to win), at the risk of giving up a deuce, where they still have a 38% chance to comeback and win in the 10th end. Martin is sitting one, with a Howard stone covering it in the rings.  Howard begins placing centre guards and Martin is peeling these guards. For some observers, this could appear a strange situation.  Why is Ontario guarding when their opponent is sitting one and they are up one? With 7 stones remaining, John Morris is about to throw a peel, when he heads down to the other end to discuss with Kevin and they instead decide to draw into the rings.  Howard actually avoids giving up three, but surrenders a deuce.  He is unable to score his deuce in the 10th end and Alberta wins.
 

I did not like Howard’s decision to play a guard on Richard’s first stone and, regardless of outcome, Martin’s decision to draw seemed correct.  How might we analyze this situation mathematically?
 

Let’s assume a peel will result in either a blank or Martin being forced to one.  I suspect if that Ontario would have tried a soft hit and roll to split the rings and lie two with Richard’s next shot.  This would have forced Alberta to make a double in order to blank.  We’ll estimate a blank 80% of the time – i.e.  where the rocks were lined up, given three chances, Martin will clear the rings 4 in 5 tries.
 

W = (1-.74)(.2) + (.38)(.8) = 35.8%
 

With a come around, there are several rocks to come and difficult for us to determine outcome.  Clearly, a blank will not occur, we need to estimate what the odds are Martin is able to score two (let’s assume no three is scored) versus a steal or held to one.  We need to come up with Variables, which are estimates of an outcome.
 

X = Howard steals one
Y = Martin takes one
Z = Martin takes two
 

W = x(1-.9) + y(1-.74) + z(1-.38)
 

Initially, let’s assume Howard doesn’t steal.  Set W to .358 and y=(1-z) and solve for Z
 

.358 = (1-z)(.26) + z(.62)
 

Z = .281
 

Assuming Howard does not steal, we need to expect a deuce 28% of the time, in order for the draw to be the correct call.  Factoring for a possible steal, let’s suggest that at least 1/3rd of the time we need to score two.  Is that the case given Martin’s team, a guard and shot stone?  I suspect it is, but that is up to Martin to decide.  Adding in even a slight chance for three, and 90% chance to win, it is very favorable to take the risk now.  Thinking ahead, Martin would consider Howard’s likely call on Richard’s last stone and his chances of blanking when that occurs.
 

What should Howard do?  Perhaps placing the guard off-centre on the other side of the four foot and giving themselves an open shot at their stone may have provided more options for them.  Depending where John’s stone landed, Rich would have a potential double or at least a hit to lie 2nd and 3rd with rocks in good position above the four foot.  I am more inclined to have Rich hit and roll to lie two and take the chance Martin is unable to double them out for a blank.  Worst case is you are 1 up coming home and 62% likely to win.  I expect Glenn, like many teams, expect Martin to score his deuce more often than 40% - and this could weigh in his decision to play the 9th more aggressively than he may have given another opponent.  I will continue to argue the case that Martin has no more than a slight advantage over 38% against a team of Howard’s ability.  Our study of Grand Slam events supports this argument – but it remains an argument where some will always side against the numbers. Good luck to those who choose luck as the basis for their strategy.
 

  1. Further evidence that Kevin Martin either reads my articles, studies the math himself, or has the best instinct in the game.  On not one but two occasions, Martin chose to bring his first rock into the rings when tied with hammer and without last rock in the 8th end.  Martin did this against both Gushue and in the 1-2 game against Howard.  Incidentally, in the 1-2 game he placed a centre just the end before in the 7th, when tied without hammer.  This decision was discussed in my January article.
  2. It is the 1-2 game, 7th end. Howard is tied with hammer. On Kennedy’s last rock, Howard has a single corner in play and Kevin yells down “play for a blank?  I don’t know”.  They decide to play a tight centre guard and Howard continues his conservative play in the end by peeling.  Martin then has John draw around the corner on his first rock.  In this situation, Howard can go from a 65% chance if he blanks to an 80% chance by scoring two.  A steal puts him at 38%; take one they are 62%.  If, however, he blanks, the outcome in 8 of two is 85% compared to 66%.  I’m not certain I agree with Glenn’s approach in 7 at that stage.  Coming around the centre would have forced the end, increasing a chance for multiple score. The added risk of a steal is not as bad in this end (7th) as it would be in the next. I’d like to examine this end further, but it’s late and I’m tired.  Perhaps another day…
  3. The 3-4 game with Manitoba versus Stoughton.  Linda comments in the 8th end that Gushue wants to force Stoughton to 1, he doesn’t need a steal.  Granted he does not HAVE to steal but to imply he is not playing for a steal is foolish.  If Stoughton takes one, Gushue has a 15% statistical chance to win. If he can steal, his chance increases to 34%.  In the 9th end, Stoughton chooses to play a run back from outside the rings on his first rock.  Linda states he “has to”.  I don’t agree has to.  In fact, he could play a draw on his first stone.  He could have put his rocks in a position where Brad would likely guard again and steal a single, putting Stoughton 1 down in 10 with last rock.  The draw could protect Manitoba from what nearly occurred, a steal of two.  In the 10th end, Stoughton made a fantastic shot. But with more time, Gushue may have examined the option of coming into the rings for second shot.  An option which, though not eliminating the outcome, may have made Stoughton’s shot either more difficult or only to tie. They both came close to running out of time, something I can’t remember seeing at a game of that level in a very long time.

Uncategorized

Scotties Decision by Team Canada and Middle Game Strategy

Jennifer Jones’ Team Canada rink made some interesting decisions in their round robin game against Ontario at the 2009 Scott Tournament of Hearts (Scotties).  During the 6th end, Team Canada (TC), one down without hammer, could have chosen a more aggressive route during the latter part of the end.  Instead of drawing around their opponent’s stones in front of the rings, they instead chose to hit the Ontario stone towards the back of the rings and play out the end as a blank.  Was this the correct decision?  Recall:
 

Statistics for Women’s Curling

Ends Remaining*
Tied with Hammer**
Down 1 with Hammer
Down 2 with Hammer
Down 3 with Hammer
Down 4 with Hammer
Up 1 with Hammer
Up 2 with Hammer
Up 3 with Hammer
1 0.691 0.397 0.145 0.020 0.001 0.865 0.973 0.997
2 0.611 0.371 0.166 0.068 0.018 0.834 0.928 0.975
3 0.602 0.391 0.208 0.083 0.039 0.816 0.882 0.952
4 0.596 0.402 0.216 0.123 0.062 0.763 0.886 0.923
5 0.613 0.433 0.242 0.152 0.086 0.779 0.849 0.917
6 0.600 0.413 0.263 0.163 0.089 0.756 0.854 0.930
7 0.585 0.413 0.280 0.183 0.092 0.766 0.847 0.940
8 0.562 0.444 0.290 0.156 0.123 0.734 0.866 0.927
9 0.556 0.454 0.281 0.176 0.080      
* takes into account 8 and 10 end games
** For 1 Ends Remaining includes extra end games

           
Notice that if the end is blanked, TC has a 24% chance.  At the beginning of the 6th they had a 22%.  In fact, their odds get slightly better if the end is blanked. 
 

If they play aggressive and steal, they increase their chances to 40%.  Holding Ontario to one is 22%.  In fact, a blank appears to be 2% better than actually forcing Ontario to a single point!  It appears the risk of attempting a steal at this stage is not necessary.
 

What about in the next end?  If it had been the 7th instead of 6th end, the decision is very different.  Now, entering the 8th end when 1 down without hammer, the odds are only 18%.  Holding Ontario to a single gives a 21% chance.  A steal in 7 instead of 6 still leaves them 40% - no change.  It would be more tempting to play the final rocks aggressively if it were the 7th end.  If the 7th were to be blanked and TC is one down without hammer playing 8, it is imperative to either score a steal or force opponent to a single.  When entering the final two ends 1 down without hammer, a teams chance drops to 16% - but more importantly, a steal in 9 gains less.  A steal in 8 would produce a tie and a 39% chance, but a steal in the 9th to tie the game is only 30%.
 

The 5th and 8th Ends
Recall my previous article on Early, Middle and End Game.  The Early Game is the first 4 (or 2) ends.  At this stage, most top teams will play aggressive attempting to take control or dominant control as soon as possible.  In the End Game (final 3 ends), teams will play the scoreboard more closely, attempting to be tied with hammer or two up without hammer in the final end of a close game.  So what is Middle Game Strategy?
 

Middle Game is the 5th through 7th ends in a ten end game (or 3-5th in an 8 end game).  Recalling my previous description, statistical changes start to appear in the middle game.  Trends appear for each situation (tied with hammer, 1 up without, etc).  So what are some considerations when determining our Middle Game Strategy?
 

The first decision is whether to continue aggressive play.  This is usually the case early in each end, but as the end develops a team will choose shot calls based more on scoreboard and ends remaining before the End game.  So to start discussion on Middle Game strategy, let’s start by examining which scenarios are more favorable in the End Game.
 

I will use a 10 end game from now on, the reduce complication.  To transfer this analysis to an 8 end game, just subtract 2.
 

In the 9th End, one down with hammer is a disadvantage greater than any other point in the game.  In fact, only the scenarios starting the 9th and 6th ends have tied without hammer the same (less than 1%) as one down with hammer.   In all other cases, one down with hammer is preferred position.  If we have the hammer in a close game the ends previous (5th and 8th), it allows us to take some additional risk with less penalty for being forced to a single point.  Recall a Close game is one in which a team is down one with hammer anytime or tied prior to final two ends. 
 

One down with hammer:
In the 5th and 8th ends we can aggressively play for two or three and if we are forced to one, our chances are actually the same as if we had blanked the end.  If we instead are one down with hammer in other ends, if our aggression results in being held to one, we are worse than if we blanked the end.
 

One up without hammer:
Conversely, forcing our opponent to one in this situation (5th or 8th end) gains no advantage over blanking the end.  The risk of playing aggressive to force our opponent to one, which may result in a deuce, provides no advantage – a steal is required to gain any advantage.  Stealing in the 5th puts us at a 76% winning probability (Control).  Stealing in the 8th an 85% chance (Dominant Control).  Blanking 5 and then stealing in the 6th in fact gives us now an 80% chance.  I’d suggest a sensible play is to tempt our opponent into blanking the 5th end and force our position without hammer in the next end.  Blanking the 8th was discussed in our last article and is more open to debate.
 

Tied without hammer:
If we force our opponent to a single, we again gain no advantage to blanking.  However, a steal is a significant advantage over our current position.  For the 5th end, in our previous example (one up without) a steal takes us from a 61% chance to 76%.  If we are tied and steal, we move from 39% to 61%.  Using our analysis from the last article, switching from 39 to 61 is 50% better, whereas 61 to 76 is only 25% better.  For the 8th end we go from 34 to 65 (91% better).  It would appear we are more inclined to attempt to steal in this scenario.  However, stealing is always difficult and we risk our opponent making a multiple score.  We are forced to be more aggressive because of our position but being one down with hammer gives us an ability to be aggressive without the same risk.
 

Tied with hammer:
Being forced to one in the 5th or 8th end is no mathematically disadvantage.  In all other ends, being held to one is a disadvantage over a blank. Again, per situation one down, we can be very aggressive at the risk of being held to one.  However, as pointed out above, a steal is very bad for us in this position.  In fact, a steal is very bad for us every time in this position.  It is most critical in the 9th where we drop from 74% to 38%.
 

In every case, having hammer appears to be a greater advantage in this position.  We can be aggressive without any risk of being “held to a single” as it is virtually no different mathematically from a blank. 
 

So…what is our finding?  In a close game, we’d prefer to have hammer in the 5th and 8th ends.  We may in fact make decisions in the ends previous which will force this situation.  For example, if we are tied playing the 4th with hammer and have an opportunity to blank, we are more inclined to take this route.  If we are one up in the 4th or 7th, we should force our opponent into scoring, even at the risk of a deuce, in order to have hammer in following end.  Eight end games become interesting because the advantage exists in the 3rd end.  A team may even choose to tempt a blank if they are without hammer in the first end, to force their opponent to score in the second end, in order to have hammer in the third.  This seems drastic and I’d suggest the advantage is not significant enough to “drop an end”.  But further analysis might disprove my initial thinking. 
 

Some readers may have noticed that there are two ends between the 5th and 8th.  This means, without a blank or a steal, if we have hammer in one of these ends, our opponent has hammer in the other end.  For example, say having hammer in the 5th when one down results in a deuce.  We are now one up.  If our opponent is held to one and then we are held to one, we are now one up without in the 8th end. However, if our opponent ties us in the 6th and we instead manage a blank in the 7th, we are now tied in the 8th with hammer.
 

I would not suggest this analysis should be a factor in how a team begins play in and end.  The modern game does not allow a team to force a blank end at will.  However, as an end develops we may be more inclined to “bail out” of certain ends in order to better position us in ends where we have greater advantage with hammer in a close game.

Uncategorized

End Game Strategy: BDO Quarterfinal – Howard versus Burtnyk

There were several decisions made during the 6th and 7th ends of the 2009 BDO Quarterfinal between Glenn Howard and local favorite Kerry Burtnyk.  This month I will attempt to breakdown some of the decisions and determine how math could be applied to each scenario or shot call to support or contradict the final decision. 
 

  1. The 6th End: Centre Guard

At this stage, the game is tied 4 -4 and Howard has the hammer.  The 6th end is, per my definition, the beginning of the “End Game” (see November 2008 article).  Statistics indicate that Burtnyk at the beginning of the 6th end (in an 8 end game) has a 35% chance to win.  (Math whizzes may have already guessed Howard has a 65% chance). 
 

Let’s begin by reviewing the probabilities that Burtnyk will win, based on various outcomes of the 6th end (percentage chance to win with two ends remaining):
 

With two ends remaining:
Tied without hammer (Howard blanks 6th) = 34%
Down one with hammer (Howard takes 1 in 6th) = 35%
Down two with hammer (Howard takes two in 6th) = 15%
Up one without hammer (Burtnyk steals in 6th) = 65%
 

The numbers indicate that holding Howard to a single, in the 6th end, is in fact not much different than a blank.  This is NOT the case if Howard is forced to one in the 7th, the difference is 25% (if Howard maintains hammer) to 38% (if he is forced to one).

A steal, however, is a great advantage in the 6th (65%).  In fact, it is the most mathematically advantageous point in the game in which to be up one without. At all other times, chances are 61% or less. 
 

Let’s ask a few questions:

Should Burtnyk play a centre guard or place the first stone in the four-foot?

In the game, Garth Smith placed the first stone in front of the rings.  I would suggest this is the incorrect call…and here is why…

If Burtnyk places the first rock in the rings, should Howard play for a blank or attempt to score a deuce? 

Howard now has to determine if he will play a corner guard, using hammer aggressively in an attempt to score two (or more) or instead play out a blank.  We’ve seen above a blank is identical to a single point.  In fact, if Howard plays out for a blank and noses his final stone, there is statistically no difference!

There are few skips at this level that would not prefer to force the issue while they have hammer with 3 ends remaining.  The key reason: a deuce results in a high probability of winning.  Two up without hammer during the End Game is as follows:

Two Up without hammer wins:
1 End remaining = 90%
2 Ends remaining = 85%
3 Ends remaining = 80%
4 Ends = 80%
All earlier ends = 74-75%

Howard’s only reason to wait to the next end is for a 5% advantage – IF he is able to score a deuce.  Is the difference of 85 to 90% enough to make up for the risk of sacrificing an end with hammer?  I don’t believe it is, and here is why.  Recall my article from Dec 2008 describing a game as Close or one team being in Control or Dominant.  A deuce in the 6th or 7th end results in a Dominant position for Howard.  

For those who understand how chip values change in a Poker tournament, a similar analysis can be used here.  In a poker tournament, as you collect chips, each additional chip’s “value” is less than those previously acquired.  For those interested in understanding this better, read David Sklansky’s “Tournament Poker for Advanced Players”. 
 

Each percentage point in probability of winning becomes less important, the higher your chances are.  The difference between having a 50% chance versus 55% is more important that 85% to 90%.  Another way to examine this is the advantage in the first scenario is 10% better, but in the latter it is only 5.8%.   Some readers may also note the contrary is true. A team that is behind sees a greater benefit from small percentage changes.  The advantage of a 15% chance over a 10% probability is 50% better!
 

If Howard blanks the 6th and either team scores one in the 7th, the game remains “Close”.   He has essentially given up an opportunity to take a Dominant position; with very little risk of Burtnyk taking it at this stage (unlikely Kerry will steal two).
 

Also, recall that being forced to 1 is fine in the 6th but not the desired outcome in the 7th.  Howard should be more inclined to be aggressive in 6 where a single is more advantageous, whereas in the 7th he would then much prefer a blank to being forced to a single point.
 

So….
 

Given that Howard would statistically prefer not to blank and Burtnyk is statistically indifferent, Kerry should place the rock in the four-foot. If Howard chooses not to play a corner guard, by not making the correct play he is giving some (however slight) advantage to Kerry.  The outcome for Burtnyk is good positioning for a possible steal and reduced chance for a deuce or worse.
 

However…
 All of this analysis does imply that a team prefers to place a stone and then place a guard (after the corner) – rather than having your opponent draw to the four-foot and then corner freezing to their stone (eliminating the placement of a corner guard).  Burtnyk may prefer not to have a corner in play and prefers positioning stones to the middle of the rings, even if Howard initially has shot rock.  I’d be very interested in the perspective of that discussion.    
 

  1. The 6th End: Walchuk’s last shot

Burtnyk sits top eight (biting four-foot) and Howard sits to the side, biting the four, guarded by two of Kerry’s stones.  Despite repeated rewinding on my Tivo, I could not determine who was shot.  Howard also sits third and fourth.
 
Kerry called for a double run-back by Walchuk.  He suggested it was either that or play the guard.  The result was removal of the Howard stone and sitting two, but both guards were removed and Howard remained with 3rd and 4th shot.  This call appeared to be conservative, attempting to lower the chance at 2 or 3 and increase the chances to force Howard to 1.  A steal seemed very unlikely at that stage.  It appeared a deuce was probable, but Richard missed his next shot.  It is my opinion that, given the difficult position if Burtnyk gives up a deuce (15%), keeping the guards and pursuing a more aggressive strategy, with a higher chance at a steal would increase their chances to win.  In either case, they were in a difficult spot.  Making some very rough estimates of probable outcomes for both calls:
 

Double Run-back:
 

Howard take 1 = 60%
Howard take 2 = 30%
Blank = 10%
 

W = 28.6%
 

Guard
 

Howard take 1 = 50%
Howard take 2 = 40%
Burtnyk steal 1 = 10%
 

W = 30%
 

These estimates are highly debatable, given the number of rocks remaining.  However, on the basis that a three or two has little difference at this stage (see my comments above regarding Dominant position). Kerry should be trying to avoid a deuce at all costs while also trying to steal (not an easy task).  It is my opinion (perhaps not his or others) that removing the two guards greatly reduces a chance to steal and may in fact increase the chance for an easy deuce. 
 

  1. 6th End, Burtnyk’s last rock

Kerry had an option to either draw around the centre guard and attempt a steal or remove the Howard stone and possibly roll behind cover and force Howard to a single.  This is an interesting scenario.  Per above, a steal is a significant advantage, but a deuce is also a huge risk at this stage of the game.  A single by Howard or blank has virtually no difference mathematically.  In fact, it was statistically irrelevant for Burtnyk to spend extra effort in attempting to roll their rock behind cover – either outcome produces the same mathematic result.  Kerry might, however, determine an advantage to be either one down or tied.  Also the added chance Glenn might miss his draw for one (however remote) could be considered a slight advantage in this situation.  I want to stress that the mathematic analysis does not take into account other factors, ice conditions, opponent, etc, which Kerry may have considered.
 

Mathematically, how often would Kerry have to make a perfect draw for the steal attempt to be the correct call?
 

W = x(.65) + y(.35) + z(.15)
 
Where x = chance of a steal
             y = chance Howard takes one
            z = chance Howard scores two
 

We know Burtnyk’s hit results in a likelihood of 35%, set W = .35
 

.35 = x(.65) + y(.35) + z(.15)
Let’s choose a value for y and solve for x.
 

We estimate y = .3.  That is, Howard will score one 30% of the time
 

Z = 1 – (x + y) = .7 – x
 

,35 = x(.65) + .3(.35) + (.7-x)(.15)
 

X = 28%
 

Conclusion, if Burtnyk believes Howard will likely take one 30% of the time, he needs to be successful with a steal > 28% in order to attempt the draw.  If he actually believes Howard may only score a single half the time, it drops to 20%.  If instead you assume no single and either a steal or a deuce, he must be successful stealing > 40%. Ultimately there are many factors, amount of curl and length of guard being most critical.
 

I found it interesting that, debating whether or not to attempt a steal is an unclear decision.  Meanwhile, the very capable commentating team of Mike and Joan (ranking above their TSN counterparts, in my humble opinion) were instead focused on Burtnyk possibly drawing to the back or playing a roll in order to force Howard to one.   As we’ve pointed out above, this decision has no statistical impact!
 

  1. 6th End – Howard’s Last Rock

On Howard’s final stone, assuming Burtnyk’s rock was easily accessibly, should he draw for one or blank the end?  As we’ve stated above, mathematically there is no difference.  Ice conditions, your opponent and other factors would likely come into play. 
 
I would be tempted to blank, but the decision is not as clear as some might suspect.  Many teams could choose to draw for one and they may very well be correct.  If your team can hit well and possibly clear the mess your opponent is likely to create in the 7th end, increasing potential for a blank in the 7th, blanking the 6th end might be your preference.  If your team prefers aggression and is more comfortable forcing the issue without hammer, by all means take 1 in the 6th and attack in 7.  Also, you may asses your opponent is stronger with hammer and would prefer to keep it.  Or the opposite may be true, and their ability to set-up an end without hammer may be something you wish to avoid.
 

  1. 7th End – Playing the Blank with 7 rocks to go

In the 7th end, Burtnyk was faced with another interesting decision.  One down with hammer and a corner guard.  No other rocks in play. Third’s first stone.  Rather than attempt a deuce (and risk being held to one or surrender a steal) they chose to peel and play for a blank.
 
Blank results in Burtnyk being one down with hammer and one end remaining. 
 

W = 38%
 

How often would Burtnyk need to score a deuce in order to attempt a draw, rather than blank.
 

Let’s assume that if they attempt a draw around the corner, a steal or blank will not occur. Either Burtnyk is forced to a single or he scored a deuce.
 

X = Burtnyk takes 1
Y = Burtnyk takes 2
 

.38 = x(.26) + y(.62)
 

x = 1 – y
 

.38 = (1-y)(.26) + (y)(.62)
 

y = 35%
 

Burtnyk will have to score a deuce greater than 35% of the time for the draw (rather than peel) to be correct.  Some of our recent analysis indicates that top teams in fact win slightly more than 74% when tied in the final end.  Combine this with some small chance of a steal, Burtnyk would need even greater confidence in his chances to score two.
 

Whew!  That’s it for this month.  Congrats and good wishes to Team Pahl (Alberta) and Team Lobel (Ontario) in qualifying for their respective provincials.  And good luck to all readers of Curl with Math, whether you are chasing your first or fourteenth Purple Heart. 

Uncategorized

Statistics for Womens’ Curling and What is “Control”?

We’ve finally gathered data for Women’s Curling events.  This data is taken from 4-rock games played during Provincial, Scotties (i.e. Canadian National Championship), World Championships, Olympic Trials, Olympics and WCT events over the last several years.  Unfortunately our sample size is larger (more than double) for the men’s events.  However, we have enough numbers to give some indication of general trends and comparisons with the games of their opposite sex counterparts.  So what do we find?

Statistics for Women’s Curling

Ends Remaining*
Tied with Hammer**
Down 1 with Hammer
Down 2 with Hammer
Down 3 with Hammer
Down 4 with Hammer
1 0.691 0.397 0.145 0.020 0.001
2 0.611 0.371 0.166 0.068 0.018
3 0.602 0.391 0.208 0.083 0.039
4 0.596 0.402 0.216 0.123 0.062
5 0.613 0.433 0.242 0.152 0.086
6 0.600 0.413 0.263 0.163 0.089
7 0.585 0.413 0.280 0.183 0.092
8 0.562 0.444 0.290 0.156 0.123
9 0.556 0.454 0.281 0.176 0.080

           
 

Ends Remaining*
Up 1 with Hammer
Up 2 with Hammer
Up 3 with Hammer
1 0.865 0.973 0.997
2 0.834 0.928 0.975
3 0.816 0.882 0.952
4 0.763 0.886 0.923
5 0.779 0.849 0.917
6 0.756 0.854 0.930
7 0.766 0.847 0.940
8 0.734 0.866 0.927
9      

* takes into account 8 and 10 end games
** For 1 Ends Remaining includes extra end games

Tied with Hammer
Within 1-2% of the men until the End Game (last 3 ends). During final ends, winning chances for women are 60, 61 and then 69% in the final end vs. 65, 66 and 75% for men.
 

1 Down with Hammer
Of all the scenarios, this is most similar to men’s numbers. Usually only 1-2% better chance for women to overcome the deficit of 1 down with hammer to win.  Final three ends have same pattern: women’s is 39% to 37% to 39% (38, 35 and then 38% for men). 

2 Down with Hammer
Women’s teams are again 1-2% more likely to win in this position except for the final end where data shows a 14.5% chance for a women’s team versus 10% chance for a men’s.
 

3 Down with Hammer
A 2-4% better chance for women’s team throughout the game.
 

Down 4 or more with hammer
Shows generally 2-4% increase in chance for women’s team. 
 

1 Up with Hammer
A 2-3% better chance of holding this lead for men’s teams than for women’s.
 

2 Up with Hammer
Within 2-3 % early on but actually men’s teams hold on to win 4-6% more often from the Middle Game onward, with the exception of the final end where the difference is only 2%
 

3 Up or more with Hammer
Within 2-3 % early on but actually men’s teams hold on to win 4-6% more often during the Middle Game.  The results from the End Game (final 3 ends) are nearly the same – you win nearly every time if you are in this spot.
 

What does this tell us about Women’s Curling?
Women’s teams tend to have a higher chance of coming back from a deficit and, subsequently, less chance of holding onto a lead.  The difference is less noticeable in close games (tied or 1 up) and tends to widen as one team takes a more dominant position.  That is, the greater the lead the greater the difference versus men’s teams in likelihood of a comeback.  If we believe the ability to throw heavy peel weight successfully is the major difference in women’s and men’s games, then these numbers look much like what we would expect. 

The most noticeable and important difference seen is the case of tied with hammer or down two with hammer in the final ends. The difference is about 5%.  These numbers provide some support to determine how women’s teams might approach the game differently than men’s teams.  For example, if tied with hammer with 3 or 2 ends remaining, a women’s team may be less inclined in blanking to retain hammer than in forcing a score.  Tied with hammer is, during these ends, not a statistical advantage over 1 up without.  In fact, with 2 ends remaining, women’s teams have a slight (2%) statistical edge in being 1 up without hammer! In the men’s game tied with hammer is an advantage of 3-4% with 3 ends remaining and 1% with 2 remaining.

What is Control?
A common term heard over drinks at curling rinks across the globe is “Control”.  “If we make this shot for two that will put us in control”.  “You had control from the 5th end on”.  And, the most hated phrase “We had control the whole game and lost it at the end”.  So, statistically speaking, what do we think is meant by “Control”?
 

I propose that there are actually three positions during a game a team can be in.  If one is Control it follows that there must be another type of game that is closer than this, which I will call a “Close” game.  It also then is reasonable to suggest there is a position where you are even better than in control, let’s call this “Dominant” position. 
 

If we assign the game condition based on a probable outcome:
 

Close occurs when the odds for a win is no greater than 66% for either team.  Another way to say this is the team behind has better than 2-1 odds of winning.
 

Control exists when one team has greater than 66% but less than 80% odds of winning.  This range is between 2-1 odds and 4-1 odds for the team that is behind.
 

Dominant position is when one team holds a greater than 80% statistical chance of winning.  Another way to show this is greater than 4-1 odds of a comeback.
 

Based on these numbers:
“Control” occurs when team is:

  • Tied with hammer in the final two ends or extra end.
  • Up 2 without hammer anytime before two ends remain.
  • Up 1 with hammer anytime before the final four ends

With three and four ends remaining, 2 up without hammer is right at 79 and 80% respectively.  With two or fewer ends left, you are Dominant in this position.  When statistically in “Control” Up 1 with hammer, you are between 77 to 80%, with the exception of the third end in a ten end game where your chances are 75%.
 

 “Close” position occurs when a team is:

  • Down 1 with hammer
  • Tied with hammer anytime before the final two ends

When tied with hammer and 2 ends remaining, chance of winning is exactly 66% - so we could argue whether a team has Control at this stage or it is Close.
 

Dominant” position occurs at any other score during the game.

We can start to analyze our pre-game and in-game strategy using the definitions of Control, Close and Dominant.  I’d also suggest incorporating the definitions for which section of the game, based on Early, Middle and End Game (from article of Nov 2008, “Is Curling a Battle For Hammer?”).  Recall the End Game is the final 3 ends and extra end if required.  The Middle Game is the middle 3 ends and the Early game is then either 4 ends for a 10 end game or 2 ends for an 8 end match.
 

Using this model creates the following 9 game scenarios:
Early-Close
Early-Control
Early-Dominant
Middle-Close
Middle-Control
Middle-Dominant
End-Close
End-Control
End-Dominant
 

I’d suggest teams could use this model as a way to develop pre-game strategies for how to approach each of these positions.  I might even tack a stab at examining these, but that will have to be left for another article…

Statistics for Grand Slams
 

Watching the Masters a short while ago (except the semi’s which were on the BOLD network –wherever that is), I started to question the statistical basis we are using and see if there are some discrepancies for the Slam events versus the entire dataset for all WCT (including Slams), Olympics, Olympic Trials, Brier, Worlds and Provincials.  Our data size is still very small but I wanted to get a general sense if we saw any differences.  Tied with hammer in final or extra end is currently nearly 80% for Slams versus 75%.  1 down with hammer in 9 was 39%, close to our baseline of 38%.  Down two with hammer was about 12% versus 10%.  The only major difference appears to be tied with hammer. The Slams numbers are based on sample size of about 270, compared to over 3000 in our full dataset.  Assuming that Grand Slam teams are generally stronger than the other fields; does this mean better teams win more than 75% when tied with hammer?  Possibly yes, but difficult to say for certain without a larger sample. 

If Martin played Howard a single end game 20,000 times, each team having hammer for 10,000, what do you think the percentages would look like?

Uncategorized

Is Curling a Battle for the Hammer?

Back during the era of the Grand Old Game; before push brooms, The Ryan Express and Shorty Jenkins ice moved us all to Free-Guard Zone; it was often heard at most every club by players at every level (of play and inebriation) that “Curling is a battle for the hammer”.  To some degree this may have been true, though the strategies of teams like Savage and Werenich, Burtnyk and Olson and the Howard brothers opposed this mentality with their aggressive play.  Rather than “Take 2 then Give 1”, these Superteams preferred to put constant pressure, take many and then steal until the opponent shook hands. 

The question I raise is, in Today’s 4-rock game, is it still possible that Curling can be a Battle for Hammer?  In my analysis, I will touch on several areas and provide some data which may help us find and answer.
 

The Hammer Advantage
Starting with hammer is an advantage.  We know this because every time your team wins the toss, you don’t think too long about whether or not to choose stone colour.    I expect some Ontario folks will shout out “I remember this one time so and so knew the rocks were bad and chose colour instead of hammer” – but I expect this is not a common occurrence.
The “draw to middle” or pre-selecting number of games in a round-robin where teams get hammer also indicates its importance.
We also have some data which tells us how often the team beginning with hammer wins.  Unfortunately not all events keep proper track of who started the game with hammer and our sample size is not as large as we would like. One way to take a sample of data is looking at 10 end games that are tied after 2 ends (i.e. now an 8 end game).  Our results show us a 61% winning percentage. 
This doesn’t tell us much more than we already know, except to help us understand if 8-end games are fair.  That is not, however, the purpose of this article (though we may return to this idea).
 

The Early Game 

I believe Curling, sometimes called “Chess on Ice”, has an Early, Middle and an End Game (no pun intended, honest).  End Game is the final 3 ends and extra end if required.  The Middle Game is the middle 3 ends and the Early game is then either 4 ends for a 10 end game or 2 ends for an 8 end match.  I haven’t chosen these game sections based on my best guess or what I’d like them to be, I’ve looked at the numbers and they reveal something very interesting:

The Odds of winning at the completion of each end during the Early game is nearly equal.
 
This is a fascinating discovery that not only explains why the Early Game doesn’t end until 6 ends remain in the game, but supports the theory that an 8 end game is competitively equal to a 10 end game.  If you extrapolate the numbers, we might be even safe in assuming 12 ends or even 14 would also have the same outcome.  The only benefit of a longer game (other than perhaps more beverage sales to the fans) is that the more ends played, the greater advantage a stronger team will have over a weaker team.  The analysis behind that theory is not the purpose of this discussion, so back to where we were…

Middle Game
Odds of winning during the Middle Game start to trend in a specific direction.

End Game
Odds of winning in during the End Game trend steeply in one direction. The exception is 1 down with hammer, which drops then rises before the final end.

I have a graph which best shows this trend, but am unable to figure out how to insert it this blog.  So, you’ll have to read into this chart to see what I mean….
 

Score
 
 
 
Ends Remaining
 
 
 
  9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2
1
Tied with hammer
0.602 0.612 0.607 0.619 0.613 0.625 0.648 0.662 0.743
1 down with hammer
0.429 0.421 0.422 0.428 0.393 0.407 0.383 0.347 0.383
2 down with hammer
0.272 0.264 0.262 0.245 0.243 0.200 0.206 0.146 0.104
3 down with hammer
0.147 0.146 0.149 0.129 0.113 0.096 0.068 0.046 0.010
4 down with hammer
0.092 0.067 0.075 0.053 0.042 0.037 0.019 0.010 0.001
1 up with hammer
  0.751 0.783 0.770 0.801 0.788 0.835 0.868 0.896
2 up with hammer
  0.868 0.899 0.883 0.894 0.930 0.943 0.967 0.989
3 up with hammer
  0.882 0.942 0.957 0.957 0.979 0.985 0.993 0.998

Some comments:
Tied with hammer:  Winning percentage is within 60-62% until 3 ends remain where it jumps more dramatically to 65%.  That is, a tie game has nearly the same statistical outcome for all ends until the End Game is reached (starting the 6th or 8th).
 

1 down with hammer: Maintained around 42-43% until 5 ends remain, where drops to 39% in the Middle Game.  It then rises back over 40% and during the End Game, 1 down winning percentage drops to 38%, then down below 35% and back above 38%.  This phenomenon was discussed in the article “To go for two… or not? Masters of Curling final: Howard vs. Ferbey” from Black Book of Curling 2007-08. 

Two down with hammer shows 27 to 26 % during Early Game than a drop below 25% beginning the Middle Game and a drastic drop to 20% with 4 ends remaining.

3 down with hammer: Stays around 15% until 6 ends remain then drop to 13%, then flat at 11 to 10% with another drastic drop beginning the End Game of below 7%.

1 up with hammer: Stays fairly constant, from 75% then leveling in the range of 77-80% until the End Game begins and it jumps to 84%.

The other scenarios are not as common, but do have some interesting results:

4 down with hammer: Transitions, oddly enough: 9-7-7-5-4-3-2-1-0%.  Short answer – don’t be 4 down after the Early Game or you’re screwed.

2 up with hammer: 87-90% until we reach the final stage of the Middle Game (93%).

3 up with hammer:  In an 8-end game, anytime you are in this position you shouldn’t lose.  In a 10 end game – just get past the 3rd and it would take a monumental collapse to lose (though we’ve all been there once or twice).

Battle For Hammer?

To try to answer our original question, we need to define what is meant by “Battle for the Hammer”. 

Let’s assume “Battle for Hammer” implies a team which starts with hammer wishes to keep it and the opposition is trying to gain that position (tied with hammer).  The advantage of tied with hammer is only slight, roughly 60 to 40, until the End Game.  Teams who win 60% of their games don’t often place high in the money and they certainly don’t win Briers or Olympic Gold. We don’t gain a substantial position until the final end, where we still lose 1 of every 4 games.  By this definition, I’d suggest Curling is not a Battle for Hammer. 

Now, if assume we this phrase to mean a battle to gain hammer with the lead, then it could be argued Curling is a Battle for Hammer.  1 up with hammer with 8 ends remaining is the same as tied with hammer at the end of the game (75%)!  Having hammer with a lead of 2 or more points is very strong. It is preferred to 3 up without during every stage of a game, except for the final end where both positions are equal. 

How Important is the Hammer?

So how do we begin to analyze the importance of last rock?  At any time during a game we can determine its statistical value.  We’ve determined that leading with hammer is a strong position, stronger than being further ahead without hammer.  But by how much?  Let’s compare tied and 1 up without, 1 up with and 2 up without, and 2 up with versus 3 up without.

Tied with hammer vs. 1 up without hammer
Often, in a tie game, when a team is forced to 1 we state the opposition has done their job and taken away control.  However, stats show us that there is only a small difference between tied or 1 up without
 

Score
 
 
 
Ends Remaining
 
 
 
  9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2
1
Tied with hammer
0.602 0.612 0.607 0.619 0.613 0.625 0.648 0.662 0.743
1 up without hammer
0.571 0.579 0.578 0.572 0.607 0.593 0.617 0.653 0.617

During the Early Game the difference is about 2-3%.  It jumps to 5% at the beginning of the 5th end, or Middle Game.  Then ranges between 0-3% until the last end where it jumps to 12% advantage for tied with hammer.
 

1 up with hammer vs. 2 up without hammer
 

Score
 
 
 
Ends Remaining
 
 
 
  9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2
1
2 up without hammer
0.728 0.736 0.738 0.755 0.757 0.800 0.794 0.854 0.896
1 up with hammer
  0.751 0.783 0.770 0.801 0.788 0.835 0.868 0.896

When 1 up with hammer you are stronger than 2 up without by 2-4% until 4 ends remain, where it reverses to 1% advantage when 2 up, then back to advantage of 4% to 2% then 0% for the final end. 
 

2 up with hammer vs. 3 up without hammer
 

Score
 
 
 
Ends Remaining
 
 
 
  9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2
1
3 up without hammer
0.853 0.854 0.851 0.871 0.887 0.904 0.932 0.954 0.990
2 up with hammer
  0.868 0.899 0.883 0.894 0.930 0.943 0.967 0.989

Again, up with hammer is slight advantage, usually only 1% with the exception of 7 or 4 ends remaining where it is 3-4%.  In real terms, these two positions are essentially equal.
 

So, what does this mean? 
There is clearly not a significant difference in each of these scenarios.  In each case having hammer while up is a slight advantage, but usually only 2-4%.  Therefore, I disagree with the theory that Curling is a Battle for Hammer.  Take, for example, an 8-end game where you have hammer and are held to one in the first end.  Instead of having a 60% winning percentage you drop to 58%.  Your position is in fact not much different than where you were at the beginning of the game.  Much more significant is to have a shot for one and instead give up a steal in the first end, going from 58% to 42%. 

Interesting to point out that often when the team without hammer holds the opposition to one in the first end it is perceived they have “won” the end or done their job.  In reality, they have only gained a 2% advantage from where they were.  More correct perhaps to state they have successfully “avoided” the position of falling behind by two or more.

Next article I will be revealing data on the Women’s Game and also attempt to tackle the question of what is “Control”. 
 

- Next »

tramadol 120 tablets tramadol pain management buy effexor online mexico my fioricet fioracet migraine buy cialis cheapest tadalafil tadalafil table online generic viagra sales tramadol hcl-acetaminophen tablet 120 tramadol and free shipping tramadol ssri viagra sales canada buy ultram cheaply tramadol best buy buy tramadol online heap tramadol cheapest viagra homepage tramadol no prescription needed about tramadol hci delivery cheap tramadol overnight tramadol manufacturer diflucan ultram legal viagra sales buy cheap deal online viagra viagra tramadol ingredient fioricet used for is tramadol online illegal nextday tramadol cod taking lotrel and tramadol together tramadol hcl 50 tramadol dose of 300 mg tramadol 120 pills sunday fioricet and online consultation medicine called tramadol tramadol metabolism fioricet ship tp florida no online order prescription viagra viagra prescription uk viagra online way to end impotence buy gw porn viagra cheapest regalis viagra get tramadol out of urine tramadol and prozac interactions on line generic viagra for sale tramadol desription cheapest viagra on line generic name tramadol viagra free sites computer search buy viagra online journals quizilla order soma cod side effects of tramadol long term flonase myonlinemeds biz tramadol zyrtec tramadol order by am saturday phase safety study tramadol extended seizure prevention tramadol interaction between tramadol and dalmane tramadol longterm use found viagra prescription in husbands car india on line generic viagra about tramadol prescription viagra discount genuine viagra tramadol recreational tramadol $85 tramadol hcl 50 mg purchase site viagra tramadol get viagra 90 tramadol 50mg legally buy valium on linr difference between ibuprofen and tramadol 2 comparison levitra viagra buy fioricet online nextday tramadol 190 200 generic viagra compare generic cialis pills does tramadol reduce inflamation compare tramadol to hydrocodone what is fioricet used for pet dosage for tramadol tramadol and lactation bay tramadol cialis compared viagra tramadol dosage calculations for veterinarians buy viagra all information cheap tramadol fedex discount herbal viagra viagra tramadol dosing instructions cialis cialis viagra viagra drug interaction tramadol cialis with viagra seratonin syndrome tramadol is tramadol a narc buy tramadol cheap cod tramadol get you high cialis levitra vs finding companies that overnight tramadol tramadol hcl 200mg about tramadol by mail overnight tramadol 25 mg amitriptyline tramadol without prescription comparison viagra and levitra cheap easy tramadol info on tramadol hcl 3.43 n online order viagra 2000 cheap daily feb statistics viagra viagra cialis store tramadol use after surgery computer tramadol buy cheap tramadol online 35 tramadol all about viagra by money order buy esgic online illegal tramadol drug interaction celebrex tramadol wanted to buy viagra cash on delivery tramadol buy online tramadol ultracet fioricet ingredients tramadol 180 ct 49 accepted cod tramadol generic viagra blue pill 25mg buying online tramadol 100mg viagra manufactures of viagra cialis levitra online medical information on tramadol hc press release fioricet imitrex trea buy viagra online 35008 buy best discount free viagra via valium great buy tramadol interferon adiction to tramadol tramadol hydrochloride overdose cheapest cod money order tramadol tramadol prescriptions delivered cod tramadol get high oklahoma viagra prescriptions iop tramadol viagra memphis tn buy order chead tramadol c o d tramadol order online overnight shipping buy viagra online bingo game buy hydrocodone with echeck online pharmacy tech career tramadol canine dosage tramadol tramadol and florida quote car insurance buy tramadol c o d shipping for tramadol order tramadol cheap generic viagra on sale 5citrate generic sildenafil viagra 100 effects of tramadol on dogs commercial mortgage broker tramadol cheap herbal sale viagra viagra chronic pain tramadol p online tramadol free shipping buy 150 tramadol tablets tramadol adverse affects can tramadol be taking while brestfeeding cheap cod fioricet buy herbal viagra viagra is tramadol a blood thinner personalized gifts cheap viagra e tramadol online com tramadol 180 count for sale generic viagra versus generic cialis pills dream online pharmaceutical soma pill identification tramadol 50mg tab tramadol cod cst fedex delivery cod tramadol compare levitra viagra and cialis generic fioricet online cialis levitra sales viagra viagra cialis desire tramadol dependency buy elavil online site about tramadol threw picture of tramadol pill tramadol vs codiene buy cheap free online viagra viagra order valium tramadol japan pharmacy tech fioricet will tramadol help backpain and headaches fda women viagra cialis search results fioricet online cheap tramadol ssales cialis cialis drug generic levitra ambien and soma online koerier viagra cialis amsterdam tramadol hydrochloride tablet buy drug soma buy soma drug paypal no prescription tramadol cheap free price viagra fioricet information company assistance tramadol experience real viagra online for americans buy tramadol index tramadol detoxification paroxetine hydrochloride tramadol tramadol withdrawal inur college ma pharmacy cheap tramadol consult sildenafil citrate tramadol discussion cialis levitra viagra vs best viagra online source tramadol feline dosage cheap fioricet site generic viagra paypal cheapest viagra in the uk mortgages refinancing buy soma tramadol paypal tramadol international pharmacy tramadol conversion to fentanyl patch in ingredient tramadol klonopin interaction with tramadol danger safe inject tramadol taking tramadol while breast feeding cheep tramadol paris france photo tramadol viagra online viagra online tramadol withdrwal symptoms hydrocodone cod online purchase viagra online addiction tramadol withdrawal generic ultram is used for what tramadol saturday viagra pills without a prescription seizures tramadol soma vs flexeril tramadol ingrediants tramadol memory loss cialis levitra strong viagra cheap cheap deal pill viagra viagra tramadol hurts stomach lining tramadol hcl-aceta viagra cialis levitra buy viagra pill identification tramadol tramadol 99 free viagra prescription online want to buy viagra tramadol er dosages tramadol crystal meth quality of generic viagra cheap tramadol no prescription where can i buy viagra on tramadol 300ct 50mg 118 no prescripion tramadol different use which is better cialis or viagra free levitra free cialis free viagra tramadol twisted information cialis online online pharmacy prescription soma tramadol no prescription overnight tramadol dogs pain amantidine tramadol and food poisoning tramadol prescribing what is tramadol hci buy evista cheap tramadol 89 tramadol hci 50mg fioricet from information tramadol 3f generic fioricet w free shipping tramadol hcl 50mg tabs side effects order watson soma with saturday delivery fioricet fioricet rx what generic drg is viagra online pharmacy vardenafil cheap tramadol soma buy buy evista online tramadol 300ct 50mg acid reflux effexor chlorhydrate de tramadol lyrica and tramadol contraindications 120 tabs tramadol buy tramadol online money order tramadol maximum dose viagra online in united states which is stronger tramadol or percoset you can take tramadol rectally buy viagra online a href tramadol order overnight saturday delivery 71 fioricet pictures buy tadalafil prescription pill online tramadol buy cod effect of the drug tramadol viagra available online without prescription cheal tramadol overnight online viagra levitra cialis 120 cheap fioricet fioricet pharmacy purchase fioricet works well tramadol pain meds what is it tramadol with vicodan drug interaction with tramadol buy ultram 32 tramadol ineffective dog tramadol tramadol interaction side affects of tramadol 50mg side effects for tramadol soma generic drugs zyrtec propecia rxpricebusterscom indication of tramadol er tramadol tramadol forum tramadol 180 tablets generic online prescription tramadol ultram tramadol identifier pt5 discontinuing tramadol tramadol chats tramadol and memory loss tramadol no rx order viagra with mastercard no perscription viagra injecting tramadol tramadol prices cheap drug generic generic tramadol ultram tramadol 100 contra tramadol home my ebay bidding buy tramadol cheap soma and fioricet compare tramadol viagra generic buy american express tramadol prescriptions online saturday delivery tramadol supply cod cialis viagra levitra compare no insurance tramadol drug information medline plus tramadol buy check e tramadol pokemon gold buy viagra very cheap tramadol fioricet addiction information drug metabolism inhibition tramadol is cialis or levitra better porn viagra cialis tramadol helps withdrawal what is tramadol hcl generic tramadol 377 viagra and cialis together generic name of tramadol tramadol without script fedex tramadol generic ultram generic generic viagra caverta caverta pillshoprxcom what is better vicodin or tramadol buy viagra viagra fioricet in pregnancy buy viagra phentermine weight loss prescription viagra cialis combo cod tramadol cod tramadol information tramadol hydrochloride side effects caverta cialis viagra tadalis what is tramadol hci 50mg tramadol good for depression generic cialis softtabs buy online herbal sale viagra online viagra reviews online prescription tramadol without quick withdrawl from tramadol ibuprofen pills difference tramadol pills cheapest site viagra tramadol 600 mg purchasing tramadol for dogs purchase tramadol without a prescription buy prescription tramadol without tramadol online order tramadol no prescription cod payment tramadol clarinex allegra cialis buy crack cocaine online biolab tramadol online pharmacy 632 online levitra tablet 911 tramadol hcl-acetaminophen par discount discount hydrocodone prescription soma soma best price for tramadol generic ultram ultram ultram er tramadol hydrochloride trial comparing tadalafil vardenafil sildenafil arkansas legislature schedules tramadol can tramadol be round tramadol cod tramadol codeine allergy tramadol tramadol and side effects and use order soma 32 buy viagra in reliable online drugstore generic in usa viagra my fioricet firoicet migraine tramadol and headaches nextday tramadol 180 tramadol saturday delivery cod 180 cash delivery tramadol discount viagra viagra buy onlinecom phentermine viagra buy hashish online discount viagra mastercard pain reliever tramadol tramadol free overnight shipping aetna us health care cheap tramadol tramadol and clinical study tramadol contradictions sale of viagra tramadol 300mg medication information tramadol buy cocaine on line cheap tramadol with saturday delivery xpress rx tramadol 50mg by fedex pain relief tramadol i love tramadol buy tramadol online dream pharmaceutical side effects tramadol compare price tramadol best online soma online viagra tramadol 100 ea generic list new site viagra good screw with viagra href cialis robaxin tramadol tramadol consult cheap drug prescription prilosec tramadol zyrtec generic viagra next day viagra tablets for sale online viagra review tramadol package insert schedule fioricet business class airfare northwest airline soma cheapest online cost for levitra order tadalafil without prescription online tramadol urine test buy tramadol cheap online watson generic tramadol tramadol rls plmd tramadol for migraines tramadol in florida caverta generic viagra caverta caverta pillshoprxcom safest site to buy viagra tramadol as analgesics drinking alcohol tramadol dog dosage tramadol fioricet classification order fioricet at mnogodenek info tramadol online medication viagra prices what is generic for tramadol where to buy hydrocodone online tramadol hci effects depression busik online viagra tramadol vinpocetine interaction google groups buy viagra tramadol 800ct 50mg generic tramadol effectiveness fioricet soma tramadol viagra addiction fioricet fioricet schedule cheap viagra st viagra sales poland what is tramadol uses for viagra overnight get viagra cheapest viagra buy finasteride on the net tramadol hydrocodone buy cheap tramadol buy hcl medication tramadol take viagra and cialis what is tramadol carisoprodol fioricet buy flomax online free online viagra without prescription tramadol dog buy online sale viagra order viagra licensed pharmacies online buy cheap diflucan generic tramadol hci treatment ultram relief tramadol fda tramadol $99 free imitrex tramadol viagra buy do nu 3 cost generic lowest viagra tramadol 100mg 180 tramadol high buy domain valium atspace org venlafaxine tramadol buy taladafil viagra cheap tramadol 100mg dog tramadol side effects anaphylactic symptoms tramadol can i buy viagra with paypal buy soma 200 buy viagra with paypal buy tadalafil non prescription online pharmacy tramadol hcl dosing buy hydrocodone online from fla search results cheap fioricet 800 tramadol cheap prepare tramadol for intravenous injection tramadol hydrochlorothiazide intitle fioricet cod tramadol 180 compare cialis viagra levitra free trial analgesic fioricet viagra online fast shipping cialis discount generic tadalafil ibuprofen with tramadol tramadol side effectes online viagra increase fertility sildenafil citrat tramadol for pigs buy ultram international pharmacy cheapest generic viagra and cialis border fioricet viagra with prescription can tramadol cause trouble urinating tramadol hydrochloride canine dosage tramadol overnight cash on delivery cheap generic kamagra kamagra uk viagra tramadol wholesale prices viagra online doma tramadol 50mg dog wheezing shallow breathing medication tramadol muscle flexeril soma tramadol giving to dogs discount keyword viagra tramadol hcl dogs buy buy online sale viagra viagra tramadol schedule iv cheap cheap discount sale viagra ramipril tramadol buy viagra in new zealand tramadol information from answers com hydrochloride tramadol the best quality pills prank ordering viagra online 4.00 tramadol is tramadol tested for in urinalysis where to buy ghb products online west coast tramadol online prescription of tramadol prescription drug liability vioxx viagra online search tramadol claritin perscription drugs tramadol by money order viagra generic viagra today atlanta is generic viagra legitimate taking viagra with cialis canada buy real viagra online tramadol 3d search results for generic viagra tramadol out of urine test pet meds tramadol side effects of tramadol in dogs tramadol and half life medlineplus drug information tramadol tramadol saturday delivery available ccanine tramadol cheap generic 50 mg viagra discount viagra order viagra discount viagra tramadol lethal level cheapest viagra us licensed pharmacies tramal tramadol tramadol allergies tramadol with asprin does methadone effect tramadol euphoria what does tramadol look like non perscription viagra tramadol in surgery tramadol addiction relief is tramadol an opioid cheap drug levitra prilosec propecia free viagra no prescription viagra rx cheap viagra from india cheap tramadol therapy for pain generic viagra vidrin buy viagra prescription america tramadol hcl lyrica free removal scan spyware tramadol buy tramadol without a prescription side effects tramadol hcl tramadol drug test positive fioricet pain reliever generic viagra 3a caverta cialis cheap tramadol tramadol hci online cheap pharmacy cialis cialis viagra buy cod hydrocodone online drug hours positive testing tramadol ultram get viagra prescription tramadol withdrawl tramadol compound gemfibrozil lisinopril prescription prescription tamoxifen tramadol and its side effects viagra online prescriptions opiate withdrawal remedy tramadol controlled formulation hydrochloride release tramadol using tramadol side effects canines tramadol fail you for drug test tramadol cheap free fedex overnight tramadol c o d shipping buy tramadol twinpharm tramadol pill identification 93 58 fioricet during pregrancy best price tramadol perscription drug stores ultram tramadol soma online description chemistry ingredients carisoprodol best best discount viagra viagra viagra india generic viagra on line sales generic viagra pages edinburgh tramadol great buy viagra levitra compare 180 tramadol buy tramadol online buy condylox ultram hgh-saizen drug tramadol price list cialis drug impotence levitra viagra viagra online federal express overnight shipping keyword discount viagra discount brand viagra by pfizer fioricet phentermine westword tramadol hcl ultram generic viagra 25mg cialis comments cgi generic mt tadalafil tramadol depression is tramadol or hydrocodone more addictive viagra tramadol phentermine tramadol from medstore counterfeit tramadol pharmacy degree line cheap tramadol buring levitra online actos aciphex cardizem cd tramadol buy tramadol online 200 comparing cialis and viagra tramadol teaching low price tramadol drinking alcohol with tramadol ultracet tramadol compare cialis levitra vi contraindications of ultram and coumadin tramadol for depression buy viagra and overseas prescription viagra written cialis viagra viagra viagra disease lyme tramadol tramadol widrawl tramadol hci pain medication generic viagra pages edinburgh find narcotic tramadol canine side effects tramadol smoking tramadol sale buy valium in tijuana tramadol and sertraline does tramadol interfere with sleep diclofenac sodium compared with tramadol tramadol canine dosages tramadol carisoprodol addiction cost compare vaiagra cialis levitra tramadol hcl-acetaminophen par information can egg donation and tramadol tramadol and shakiness viagra viagra online cheap pharmacy tramadol overnight no prior tramadol 10mgs cheap viagra generic paypal tramadol dosage canine tramadol vicodin interaction tramadol and canine liver disease tramadol hcl 50mg tab generic viagra bz buy viagra in spain aan agcode buy online tramadol dosage indication stability storage tramadol ultracet fioricet 50mg 325mg 40mg tramadol alltram tramadol no prescription required 200 tablets generic propecia retin ultram free generic shipping viagra viagra and depression buy effexor online mexican cod tramadol money orders non prescription viagra online tramadol side effects for dogs viagra perscription discount prescription viagra interracial dating generic viagra tramadol prescription tramadol can you mix tramadol and benedryl tramadol uk feline veterinarian tramadol pictures of tramadol hcl-acetaminophen par discount viagra christmas discounts buying viagra without a prescription tramadol 37.5 buy viagra online and get prescription tramadol and ketorolaco tramadol saturday fedex shipping order generic cialis softtabs tramadol hcl compared to lortab fioricet site tramadol 50mg capsules buy valium tramadol online span youth football magazine forum buy valium information instructions patient tramadol ultracet ra cialis levitra viagra online diagnosis acetaminophen hcl par tramadol 2003 cyalis levitra market sales viagra fioricet tabs buy soma onlin lose weight pill tramadol filling online prescription viagra drug testing tramadol pharmacy tech job buy tramadol key fioricet what is best viagra cialis tramadol show up on drug test tramadol addiction treatment with methadone tramadol lethal od overnight tramadol no rx high dose tramadol experience buy tramadol with discount fibromyalgia pregabalin tramadol tramadol doses buying generic viagra in canada hepsera hydrocodone prescription prescription soma 50mg capsule hydrochloride tramadol tramadol hcl 32 soma money order pain tramadol tramadol and chronic pain fioricet shipped to florida fioricet drug information tramadol vets drug interactions celebrex tramadol cyclobenzaprine buy here so tramadol purchase and viagra soft viagra without presciption online fioricet and prochlorper fioricet buy fioricet online viagra online without rx tramadol hcl for dogs tramadol 26 addiction tramadol hydrocodone pain tramadol abuse snort tramadol 50mg potency equivalent sildenafil solution children infants tramadol hydrochloride ultracet cheap levitra online vardenafil tramadol vs vicodin and strength tramadol hcl and dog where to buy viagra from tramadol lowest cost tramadol ultram 50mg effects tramadol medications tramadol compare cialis viagar levitra lunesta alesse tramadol valtrex canada cialis levitra pharmacy degree tramadol medication and tramadol hcl and information tramadol vs perceset comparison viagra regalis levitra ibuprofen and fioricet safe to mix does tramadol test positive for opiates picture tramadol tramadol and trouble urinating better viagra cialis drug interaction between tramadol and ibuprofen generic viagra generic cialis pills online soma imported lcd projectors buy tramadol tramadol and liver damage tramadol and online pharmacy buy ultram tramadol male depression sri viagra libido buy online salescom viagra keyword viagra prescription you can dissolve tramadol for injection 1cialis compare levitra viagra tramadol celexa pravachol tramadol tramadol hydrochloride dose marketing viagra vs cialis tramadol info warnings tramadol warehouse gabapentin hydrocodone prescription prescription buy tramadol now carisoprodol tramadol dog kidney keyword tramadol tramadol hydrocloride side apcalis generic viagra bonline tramadol tramadol tramodol 50mg tramadol 120 tramadol pill id tramadol hydrochloride use in dogs risk of mixing tramadol and viagra purchase viagra cheapest overnight tramadol cheapest prices for tramadol generic for viagra fda approved medications tramadol and effexor cialis levitra tramadol lexapro easing tramadol withdrawal symptoms are tramadol addictive tramadol withdrawal syndrome cheap overnight tramadol tramadol 50 mg 400 search soma online buying free sale viagra best buy online price viagra viagra tramadol prescribed for dogs and people optimize tramadol efficiacy tramadol cod 180 order viagra online consumer discount rx mix tramadol and benedryl viagra bezorgdienst cialis amsterdam tramadol hydro tramadol hcl 50 mg description medication generic viagra master card purchase generic viagra levitra and tadalafil relieving tramadol withdrawal fioricet abuse tramadol 50 mg overnight delivery tramadol ultram and acute pain tramadol saturday cod cheapest tramadol without prescription generic cialis viagra caverta buy online tramadol bupropion no script tramadol tramadol pregnancy buy tramadol cheap 120 zantax anxiety what is fioricet buy chea tramadol combine viagra and cialis meridia review buy online pharmacy viagra compare generic viagra to viagra cheap tramadol buy buy phentramin viagra online pics of generic viagra order viagra here compare cialis to viagra tramadol for dog pain buying viagra assist cheap cialis generic viagra softabs po box delivery ultram and tramadol mg crohns disease help may sale viagra 6viagra cialis levitra paracetamol tramadol deramaxx compared tramadol order tramadol cod buy tramadol to treat your pain generic viagra rd tramadol lowest price tramadol next day delivery tramadol medicines buy viagra or cilas euphoria tramadol post office usps tramadol cheap ultram buy viagra free on internet canadian pharmacy tramadol from information tramadol buy tramadol online 150 pills free consultation tramadol pfizer how to buy viagra effects hcl side tramadol tramadol contraindications overnight tramadol no rx sunday delivery keywords cialis levitra tramadol cash on delivery ativan buy tramadol online tramadol thai pharmacy lowest price of tramadol tramadol apap 37.5mg 325mg consultation and overnight viagra websites cialis tramadol pain pill side effects tramadol side effects on dogs canada viagra sales delivery online prescription saturday tramadol tramadol vas score buy generic viagra si br prescription for ordering viagra buy tramadol cod side effects from tramadol tab 50mg buy viagra online gay sex movies buy valium wholesale onli facts about prescription drug tramadol tramadol opiate drug testing viagra cialis hypotension tramadol tramadol current issues dil tramadol by dhl fioricet shipped tramadol sid cheap viagra new zealand clorhidrato de tramadol buy generic fioricet tramadol bill me later generic viagra when canine dosage of tramadol tramadol 100 mg hcl generic viagra capsules prescription viagra without buy cialis phentermine valium best buy tramadol to ween off oxy cheap discount pill sale viagra viagra order generic cialis softtabs online tramadol legal status cat health tramadol buy combivent online tramadol chlorhydrate dog cat fioricet effects valtrex tramadol erectile dysfunction ed viagra online no prescription fioricet phentermine shipping trial generic viagra cialis compare levitra viagra beta blockers tramadol tiendas viagra online pago seguro effects hcl re side tramadol ultram tramadol addictio carisoprodol fioricet zyrtec tramadol abuse online pharmacy vardenafil hcl tramadol transporter cheap tramadol rss feed viagra vs generic vigra tramadol hcl 50 mg tablet tev flomax tramadol on line tramadol ship on saturday cheap tramadol prices free shipping tramadol adiction tramadol cats buy now online pharmacy tech tramadol tramadol capsules tramadol kidneys buy hydrocodone line tramadol online discount tramadol 50 mg use with elderly tramadol dosage for dog tramadol and demerol collies tramadol fioricet with codeine 30 mg buy cailis viagra singapore viagra sales statistics day tramadol tramadol cheap cialis mixing viagra is ordering tramadol online illigeal cheap viagra no presrciption 50mg tramadol lowest prices psychosis symptoms tramadol tramadol cod cheap 120 by comment tramadol benefits and side effects rx tramadol prices of viagra and cialis p111 white tramadol tramadol report tramadol overnight tramadol with ssri tramadol herbal supplement interactions hci tablet tramadol ultram buy viagra 32 viagra to buy tramadol hcl chemical supplier white difference between viagra and cialis tramadol can you take tylenol ultram treatments with hydrocodone eric kinney president tramadol online discount cheapest tramadol online tramadol doseage tramadol not for sale tramadol equivalent tramadol dosage in canines order viagra online no rx prescription tramadol cause depression cheap pharmacy renova u s ultram buy tramadol overnight bupropion and tramadol tramadol dog pain denosyl and tramadol tramadol online no prior next day does tramadol show on drug test fioricet generic online prescription tramadol gov cialis health man sexual viagra vs compare levitra viagra cialis tramadol 50 mg tablets for dogs cheap viagra index tramadol and cyp3a4 tramadol effects tramadol saturday delivery no prescription tramadol overnight shipping ultram non generic heart health what is tramadol viagra no prescription needed buy viagra in great britain generic viagra london uk buy cheapest tramadol available online without persciption tramadol cod sisters pharmacy valentine no prescription viagra what is tramadol for dogs seizures from tramadol 25mg blue generic pill viagra tadalafil vs generic viagra buy viagra online web meds tramadol mexico online pharmacy generic valium drug buy valium compare tadalafil sildenafil citrate levitra buy estradiol online cash delivery shipped tramadol buy tramadol cod saturday delivery effect indication side toxic tramadol usage tramadol xenical a is narcotic tramadol buy viagra viagra online 100 mg tramadol false positive for tramadol 3 canada generic in viagra drug prescription viagra buy viagra removethis online pharmacy prescription drug viagra tramadol and vicodin and strength cialis viagra levitra tramadol hydrocodone prescription prescription soma agcode buy tramadol tramadol online dream pharmaceutical compare generic viagra wholesale prices buy cheap online prescription viagra what kind of drug is tramadol instant release tramadol buy viagra online prescription group cheap fioricet soma tramadol viagra tramadol patent ferrets tramadol dementia tramadol side effects drowsiness tramadol collect on delivery cialis generic viagra tramadol apap long term effects taking altram tramadol generic cialis tadalafil php tramadol perscripton tramadol withdrawal symptoms cialis viagra levitra phorum view topic inhailing tramadol check cod tramadol viagra cheapest uk rimadyl tramadol buy cheap tramadol o sildenafil solution infants children viagra without prescription for valentine's day 4images buy powered viagra tramadol psychosis is there a generic for viagra ivax tramadol capsules viagra contra cialis tramadol in elderly patients online perscriptions for viagra address of tramadol trucking company cardinal health tramadol on line tramadol 50mg potentcy equivilant viagra levitra cialis compare webresults fioricet tramadol 180 99 order soma oklahoma order viagra softtabs tramadol images cod tramadol saturday delivery australia in sale viagra buy cheap generic viagra tramadol hydrochloride 32 buy cialis online viagra better more effective cialis or viagra tramadol buzz buy deine nachricht site tramadol 3 caverta veega generic viagra prescribe tramadol for depression no online pharmacy prescription required viagra tramadol overdose canine buy generic diflucan online tramadol xl tramadol tabs for tramadol lead investigator can you take ibuprofen with tramadol fioricet foreign pictures of fioricet tramadol addiction treatment tramadol 100 tablets buy tramadol cheap medication 35009 pill price tramadol viagra cialis levitra comparison dosages tramadol an effective pain killer fioricet 2 side effects tramadol apap ultracet generic viagra mg blue pill tramadol in dog viagra without perscription 30 ic tramadol hcl acetaminophen par white and round tramadol tramadol cheap overnight inexpensive what ingredients are in tramadol tramadol wellbutrin retin-a cheap ultram cheap drug retin tramadol viagra buy tramadol cheap online tramadol no prescription buy domain fioricet onlinefree websitescom soma viagra non prescription deal sale cheap tramadol without perscription viagra no prescription fast tramadol side effects dogs tramadol free delivery buy tramadol bulk 300ct where do i buy viagra in tramadol effects blood ana tramadol hcl breastfeeding buy valium buy order tramadol with express script insurance tramadol dosage cat discount viagra without perscription analgesics with tramadol buying deal discount viagra buy phentermine levitra cialis generic mt tadalafil 100 mg tramadol 800ct tramadol dog veterinary literature tramadol new york tramadol for sleep tramadol hci for dogs tramadol 500mg information ultram tramadol hci tablet tramadol use during pregnancy buy cod overnight soma tramadol sobs online fioricet qoclick shop tramadol ups next day air fioricet makeup tramadol cheapest buying viagra without a perscription is viagra a prescription drug tramadol replace for lortab tramadol adverse effects fioricet and pregnant tramadol breastfeeding generic tramadol mutual silagra generic viagra cialis cumwithuscom beitrag buy name text tramadol tramadol hcl is this a narcotic cheapsest viagra online hydrocodone tramadol pain 1 50mg tramadol dmso tramadol cheaper tramadol find viagra free search 76k buy buy tramadol with paypal tramadol pills for dogs tramadol for feline tramadol abuse sniff doctors prescribe tramadol for depression manufacturers of tramadol buy on-line hydrocodone generic cialis pills generic viagra levitra dog medicine tramadol buy fluconazole on sale tramadol use in pregnancy 120 cheap count fioricet identifing tramadol pills tramadol without prescriptions tramadol side effects canine soma phentermine hydrocodone pharmacy buy ghb replacement online sources painkiller prescription tramadol viagra buy viagra online 500 tramadol viagra pharmacy sales london tramadol halflife in dogs tramadol difficulty swallowing tramadol menstrual cramps cheapest viagra prices tramadol buy valium mastercard generic viagra cheap no prescription tramadol hcl-acetaminophen par dosage information tramadol mutual vs akyma can tramadol be taken with aspirin 243000 cheap cod fioricet tramadol rss feed cialis levitra strong strong viagra cheap fedex tramadol no fax payday loan tramadol cialis viagra mastercard accepted tramadol cod overnight tramadol and anti parkinson meds buy 20mg valium buy hydrocodone on the in buy viagra cheap india pharmacy tramadol tablets 50 mg tramadol injectable cheapest tramadol next day delivery buy viagra online at lowest price lorazapam and tramadol cheap tramadol cod aspirin and tramadol together tramadol citalopram cialis viagra joint corporate renewal safe tramadol american pharmacy online ic tramadol hcl acetaminophen par tramadol generic ultram buy domain fioricet online free websites generic cialis order softtabs online order viagra overnight shipping tramadol no prescriptions a 273 tramadol buy hydrocodone vicodin lortab tramadol online buy viagra online 35008 buy viagra buy online prescription vaniqa viagra pay pal buy ultram ordering tramadol and shipping to florida connecticut generic caverta viagra forum gadaj pl viagra sale buy cheap soma fioricet hydrocodone and tramadol effects depression tramadol tramadol drug tests loritab hydrocodon loratab tramadol tramadol blood test intefere effects side tramadol ultram overdose contraindications and information tramadol qualitest pharmacuticals generic fioricet cheap compare price tramadol tramadol for sale without a presription free shipping on tramadol orders tramadol cheap keyword tramadol tramadol addictions tramacet tramadol effective dosage of tramadol buy drug satellite tv order soma online tramadol prescriptions buy generic viagra viagra tramadol and side effects buy tramadol on tramadol discount codes tramadol for canine use tramadol inhaled online pharmacy tramadol what is fioricet butalbital apap fioricet order fioricet order vardenafil online pharmacy flexeril ultram side effects tramadol trusted pharmacy catalog viagra verses cialis tramadol suicide 2000 buy daily feb statistics tramadol effects enlargement penis of viagra tramadol hci cialis comparison diflucan famciclovir viagra flexiril tramadol viagra uk prescription charges generic tramadol 12 caverta veega generic viagra side effects of tramadol hcl top ten sites for soma online tramadol select health insurance coverage cheap levitra pill tramadol zyrtec buy cheap viagra cheap viagra online tramadol capsule 50mg tramadol images tramadol controversy tramadol cod florida pfizer viagra online buy kamagra viagra pill 377 tramadol tramadol by cod tramadol mechanism of action fioricet order site tramadol rx soma online 180 tabs next day air tramadol viagra online no rx cheap tramadol saturday delivery no prescription prescription for viagra in canada tramadol abuse methods 180 tramadol cheap 89 tramadol cymbalta tramadol with cash on delivery tramadol hcl medication tramadol from tramadol hydrochloride uk tramadol liver tramadol ultram sexual side effects tramadol and nausea tramadol canada tramadol by mail online pharmacy tramadol pharmacy prilosec tramadol 50 mg dropshipper generic viagra tramadol kidney stones brand viagra without prescription celebrex fioricet online ingredients in tramadol hcl buy cozaar online fioricet buy order fiorcet generic ultram wellbutrin zoloft cheap tramadol who takes paypal buy discounted cialis softtabs tramadol with cymbalta tramadol click here medication pain tramadol tramadol injection half life fioricet images viagra on prescription hydrocodone vs ultram tramadol lorazepan interactions sideeffects of tramadol for dogs rate generic viagra cialis levia and viagra tramadol drug admin cheap drug generic generic viagra inexpensive tramadol cialis comparison levitra cialis comparison levitra tramadol safe during pregnancy caverta generic viagra fioricet dosage premium generic viagra discount sale viagra viagra helps with tramadol withdrawl long fioricet sytem tramadol pain medicine tramadol er and itching rainbowpush discussion board buy viagra fioricet info soma tramadol imitrex tramadol otc tramadol addiction withdrawal buy viagra online u tramadol high blood pressure boards order soma cheap order prescription tramadol tramadol cheap free overnight shipping fioricet 3 with codeine tramadol feelings online c o d tramadol ship everywhere tramadol urine drug screen what tramadol hcl-aceta tramadol vs hydrocodone cheap deal deal pill viagra which is better cialis or levitra cheap viagra overnight delivery medication online viagra viagra sales 2004 a viagra discount tramadol medication tramadol withdrawal symptom tramadol hydrochloride for canines buy tramadol no prescription tramadol hcl side effects zyrtec tramadol buy fioricet generic viagra compared pharmacy college buy tramadol tramadol shipped to florida celebrex metrogel tramadol cialis tramadol cicero pet health insurance tramadol on line flomax buy online usa 120 tab quantity saturday delivery fioricet international tramadol no prescription buy tramadol online cod cash dosage for tramadol 377 cheap discount tramadol cialis compare viagra cetirizine tramadol tramadol ultram 300ct tramadol hcl 50 tablet tv canine tramadol overdose over the counter analgesics with tramadol viagra online overnight taking tramadol and lortab together fioricet generic 120 tramadol generic viagra by fedx increase the effects of tramadol 627 discount levitra online 903 fioricet acephalgic migraine tramadol vitamin d online pharmacy vardenafil hydrochloride drug effects more side tramadol tramadol 100mg us tramadol show up dot 3 test tramadol overnight free fedex cheap cheap man viagra generic viagra overnight u s delivery order cheapest tramadol viagra for sale in eastbay california cheap amp fast buy online viagra tramadol veterinary use tadalafil versus generic viagra info on tramadol living 6 7 dihydroxybergamottin and tramadol interaction pet meds tramadol 50mg can i take percocet with tramadol hydrocodone muscle relaxer tramadol overseas tadalafil money order online generic viagra x mg buy buy soma soma span td order tadalafil no prescription online tramadol weight loss webresults buy viagra depression and viagra viagra prescription canada cheap drug renova ultram zyrtec tramadol to p o box buying cheap tramadol free overnight delivery soma online free fedex 3 cod generic pal pay viagra tramadol dosage and side effects free prescription online viagra canada tramadol online discount cheap tramadol and prozac tramadol same day buy tramadol 100 er discount viagra ultram 50mg generic hsn tramadol tramadol recreational dosage klonopin tramadol interaction cheap viagra direct tramadol withdrawal from order order viagra tramadol fed ex cod tramadol effectiveness versus other painkillers overnight cheap viagra tramadol description and tablet photo tramadol and motrin 50mg hcl tab tramadol depression libido viagra fioricet saturday delivery cheap discount online tramadol order tramadol c o d headaches migraine affordable fioricet mechanism of action of tramadol comparison of levitra and viagra tramadol prescribing on line cod cheap online pill price viagra viagra viagra online blue tramadol discounts available tramadol 2 buy tramadol august cheapest online price sales soma tramadol twinkling online cheap ultram buy online online pill viagra viagra wellbutrin sr side affects tramadol generic viagra 24 hours delivery prepare tramadol for injection tramadol an 627 buy viagra inte anaphylactic shock tramadol buy domain viagra atspace org tramadol versus loritab for pain help vicoden effexor soma lexapro overnight tramadol saturday delivery generic viagra and bargain viagra generic credit counseling california discount pharmacy tramadol pictures of tramadol discount order site viagra norco xango buy lortab hydrocodone online 3 generic viagra tramadol and drug interactions discount tramadol generic ultram cod sold tramadol u 3312 viagra cialis buy cheap tramadol on what is ic tramadol tramadol prescribing information viagra on internet prescription online combining cialis and viagra fioricet information buy real viagra online pharmacy cialis dish levitra viagra visit zyban tramadol by the pill 2005 cialis comment december leave viagra tramadol effects on dogs call center software tramadol 888 557 1872 tramadol cod tramadol hcl 50 mg tablets 50 mg tablet tramadol taking tramadol with methadone tramadol withot a prescription tramadol famvir allegra cialis off label uses for tramadol cheap cheap levitra tramadol ultram expired tramadol tramadol effectiveness buy online evista internetresults tramadol buy ultram tramadol mg tablets cheap viagra online pharmacy tech resume buy tramadol now viagra pharmacy sales londom tramadol values buy phentermine pass drug test tramadol 150 buy cheap fluconazole generic mg tramadol onformation order viagra cialis levitra pharmacy disolving tramadol for injection online buy evista cod generic pal pay viagra can you inject tramadol xanax online 120 tramadol tabs agcode buy online tramadol tramadol fraud viagra prescription medication viagra cialis london kamagra generic viagra meltabs phentermine tramadol viagra adipex buy online p viagra tramadol and addictive tramadol addiction forum fioricet ppc umax buy cialis fioricet mabron tramadol discount tramadol without prescription methadone taken with tramadol cheap tramadol online guaranteed lowest price tramadol doage tramadol market description tramadol 180 tramadol $79 deal online price viagra diflucan tramadol tramadol maximum dosage tramadol valium together buy cheap deal pill viagra tramadol for ibs ultram er tramadol fioricet ship to florida tramadol hearing online viagra prescription canada best cheap herbal viagra viagra viagra cheap viagra cialis online pliva tramadol buy cheap tramadol online tramadol cod 200 sr tramadol 200 generic cialis softtabs tramadol or cyclobenzprine lexapro interactions muscle relaxer flexeril tramadol dogs side effects buy cheap generic tadalafil will tramadol fail drug screen cheap fed ex tramadol tramadol and migraine directory online sales viagra viagra generic buy tramadol overnight delivery online prescription bupropion tramadol generic viagra year optimize tramadol efficacy no prescription order viagra online purchase tramadol flomax buy online is lortab stronger than tramadol cialis commentscgi generic mt tadalafil tramadol cor 127 can kids take tramadol where to order soma tramadol for sale cheap 120 tramadol discount tramadol discount tramadol 120 pills generic viagra for under $50.00 keywords soma online buy fischer soma f9000 boots viagra online fraud tramadol ketorolaco drug test tramadol tramadol online free consult cheapest fioricet info soma online description chemistry ingredients blackbox tramadol 90ct no prescription does methadone effect tramadol 1 hcl tramadol viagra cialis and buy tramadol anonymously gambling tramadol phentermine carisoprodol casino tramadol controlled substance are tramadol capsules antibiotics online cod tramadol legal viagra online tramadol pain dog next day air ups tramadol ultram tramadol in combination with oxycodone tramadol websites heating tramadol hydrochloride buy cheap phentermine moreover order viagra vetrinarian tramadol tramadol sale 100 mg tramadol and weight gain viagra buy australia side effects of tramadol 50mg tramadol adverse afects pfizer viagra sales generic viagra compare cialis pills cheap viagra pleasure buy online viagra securely buy phentermine tramadol euphoria pharmacy dosage chart tramadol fioricet cod order site viagra tramadol hci effects fioricet lexapro herpes dogs tramadol hcl tramadol cheap cod cheap tramadol without prescription suite cialis viagra levitra tramadol overnight cod find search viagra generic edinburgh tramadol on line tramadol 180 cheap cod tramadol hydrocodone taken together tramadol dependence false positive pcp and tramadol prescription and drugs tramadol injection tapering off tramadol compare cialis viagra to dreampharmaceuticals soma online tramadol for dog side effects search results viagra buy online liability prescription drug vioxx viagra ultracet amount of tramadol day next tramadol adjustable bed tramadol tramadol veterinarians viagra search find cheap pages legality of tramadol fioricet fiorciet pregnancy buy generic viagra img tramadol and ulcerative colitis tramadol canine dosage tramadol kidney failure generic cheap tramadol weaning tramadol tylenol tramadol vet compare cialis to levitra cialis softtabs online fast shipping tramadol with sertraline tramadol hcl acetamenophen par viagra modify discount viagra viagra online overnight delivery ultram interactions tramadol vs vicodin tramadol vs lortab generic viagra overnigh lowest prices on tramadol cialis viagra cialis levitra buy online viagra tramadol ocd drug information tramadol order prescription tramadol tramadol and citalopram veterinary merck manual tramadol